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[OLDIE]

I listened to talksport this evening and found this

 

We get blamed again ........FFS

 

http://skemnews.com/...erton-for-sale/

 

Cracking final paragraph

[TFC]

Doesn't belong in this section of the forums.

[SoueysTash]

Collymore is a respected journalist !?

 

 

Well respected.

[showmethemoney]

Everton have been for sale for years.

 

Nobody wants to buy them.

 

They seem intent on ground-sharing with Liverpool, which rightly we have dismissed & continue to dismiss out of hand.

 

They are in huge debt & need a new ground - so all in all, not the most attractive proposition for 100M plus.

 

The best thing the fans could do for their club is - stop pissing & moaning about Moyes & boohoo, one poor FA Cup result;  Secure Moyes on a long term deal. Let him carry on working his magic, keeping the club stable & doing relatively well whilst they continue their search for new owners.

 

They let Moyes go & good God only knows what will happen to them.

 

And personally I like them as our neighbours. Adds to the city & the banter is fab.

[lfc.eddie]

Doesn't belong in this section of the forums.

Correct... can someone move this?

[LFC-Orlando]

Are H&G looking for worthy investments nowadays?

 

They are good owners you know.

[Dane]

Shitehouses, fuck em.

 

Banter my arse, horrible mongrel twats.

[Liveforthereds]

Everton have been for sale for years.

Nobody wants to buy them.

They seem intent on ground-sharing with Liverpool, which rightly we have dismissed & continue to dismiss out of hand.

They are in huge debt need a new ground - so all in all, not the most attractive proposition for 100M plus.

The best thing the fans could do for their club is - stop pissing & moaning about Moyes & boohoo, one poor FA Cup result
Secure Moyes on a long term deal. Let him carry on working his magic, keeping the club stable doing relatively well whilst they continue their search for new owners.

They let Moyes go good God only knows what will happen to them.

And personally I like them as our neighbours. Adds to the city the banter is fab.

Some of what you say is true, the club is up for sale but the Owner wants to stay on the board with some sort of power, no body is going to want that and thats what is the main problem (according to Blue noises I know) the debit is not as bad as people think, yes they have debt like the vast majorty of clubs but they still pickup some good players and have kept up a good level over the years (Shows just how good the manager is) As for the stadium they don't really need one at this moment in time, they can't fill the one they have, they just need to improve what they have (Park Road can be expanded as it was built to have a second tier). So all in all the only thing stopping a sale is Kenwright.

[showmethemoney]

Some of what you say is true, the club is up for sale but the Owner wants to stay on the board with some sort of power, no body is going to want that and thats what is the main problem (according to Blue noises I know) the debit is not as bad as people think, yes they have debt like the vast majorty of clubs but they still pickup some good players and have kept up a good level over the years (Shows just how good the manager is) As for the stadium they don't really need one at this moment in time, they can't fill the one they have, they just need to improve what they have (Park Road can be expanded as it was built to have a second tier). So all in all the only thing stopping a sale is Kenwright.

 

50/60M debts & rising haven't they?

 

Goodison Park is shot to fuck & they need a new stadium but have no finances in place to build it.

 

So who will they get willing to pay the debts, build the stadium, pay Kenwright his chunk for a club when the asset is valued at little over 100M?

[showmethemoney]

Doesn't surprise me DT's don't get the banter.

[Liveforthereds]

Showme, Frome what my mates have told me and from reading comments made in the past Kenwright is not really up for selling the club hence high asking price, Yes stadium is not that good but they can't fill the one they have hence why all other plans have failled in the past, as for the debt if thats the figure then it's a lot less than when we had Dumb and Dumber. Everton's problem is the profile has dropped a lot since Kenwright has taken over the club.

[showmethemoney]

Showme, Frome what my mates have told me and from reading comments made in the past Kenwright is not really up for selling the club hence high asking price, Yes stadium is not that good but they can't fill the one they have hence why all other plans have failled in the past, as for the debt if thats the figure then it's a lot less than when we had Dumb and Dumber. Everton's problem is the profile has dropped a lot since Kenwright has taken over the club.

 

Well if he doesn't really want to go & he is happy at taking the hits, good on him mate.

[Liveforthereds]

Well if he doesn't really want to go he is happy at taking the hits, good on him mate.

Don't think thats the problem, I think he is one of those who can't let go. I maybe wrong but thats the feeling I get from the lads I talk too

[Bluboots]

One thing I never understood about the whole ground share thing was what was in it for us.

[Liveforthereds]

One thing I never understood about the whole ground share thing was what was in it for us.

Never was anything in it for us, other than a larger stadium, They would have ended up gaining more from it and only if they could have filled it, which there history shows they would struggle to fill a stadium of the size we are looking at going for.

[RichLFC]

Everton have little going for them in terms of a sale. Limited fan base range, not an affluent region, ground in some disrepair and no prospect of a new stadium, limited commercial appeal and a somewhat insular so called 'people's club' mentality. Doesn't float the boat of the average sheikh

It took long enough for us to get sold and even then there werent any particularly loaded takers (DIC went pretty much under during the credit crunch and all) for them it's even harder as they don't have the global fan base and name. For them they have similar problems but are further down a long decayed road. Moyes has kept them afloat and a reasonably competitive outfit but they don't have the scope to achieve much more than they do at the moment

Maybe a general city regeneration programme that has been mooted of late and the end of the recession era may help them later on but think they are lumbered with the dead hand of Kenwright for some years to come

In the end it's easier to sell a club with a new stadium really,or one properly refurbished and expanded, and preferably in an area where people have money to spend. It's like buying a house, you don't really want to be paying through the nose to regenerate it. Though FSG got us cheap, they probably didnt forsee the costs of making this team competitive or the obstacles put in the way with a self interested local council which are only now starting to show signs of being removed 15 years later than they should have been (very different from the US where there cities actively seek to attract sports investors by taking away problems relating to building or renovating stadias, here minds at local political level are rather more parochial and narrow at times), it's worse for Everton really who don't have the same infrastructure or global reach or appeal

[Dane]

Thousands of fans singing "murderers" is not banter.

No surprise to anyone that certain people can't see that.

The only reason I don't want them relegated is to see their hopes dashed most seasons in their "We finished above Liverpool" cup.

[RedLaw]

How did you conclude that people who sing ''murderers'' are fans at all?

 

They aren't fans, they're scumbags, and unfortunately every club has them. Pretending that the majority of Everton fans are like that is ridiculous in the extreme.

[Arminius]

Everton have little going for them in terms of a sale. Limited fan base range, not an affluent region, ground in some disrepair and no prospect of a new stadium, limited commercial appeal and a somewhat insular so called 'people's club' mentality. Doesn't float the boat of the average sheikh

It took long enough for us to get sold and even then there werent any particularly loaded takers (DIC went pretty much under during the credit crunch and all) for them it's even harder as they don't have the global fan base and name. For them they have similar problems but are further down a long decayed road. Moyes has kept them afloat and a reasonably competitive outfit but they don't have the scope to achieve much more than they do at the moment

Maybe a general city regeneration programme that has been mooted of late and the end of the recession era may help them later on but think they are lumbered with the dead hand of Kenwright for some years to come

In the end it's easier to sell a club with a new stadium really,or one properly refurbished and expanded, and preferably in an area where people have money to spend. It's like buying a house, you don't really want to be paying through the nose to regenerate it. Though FSG got us cheap, they probably didnt forsee the costs of making this team competitive or the obstacles put in the way with a self interested local council which are only now starting to show signs of being removed 15 years later than they should have been (very different from the US where there cities actively seek to attract sports investors by taking away problems relating to building or renovating stadias, here minds at local political level are rather more parochial and narrow at times), it's worse for Everton really who don't have the same infrastructure or global reach or appeal

 

I think the 'it is all Kenwright's fault' is a serious case of blue-tinted glasses.  Everton's revenue is basically flat, their expenses have been rising.  Their wages-to-turnover has been worse than ours for years, and ours was a train-wreck until recently.  They need a new stadium to increase revenue, but cannot make a case that they can fill, nor that they can pay for it.  Their cash flow already struggles to service a relatively modest level of debt.  Any buyer has to immediately tack on about 200M for infrastructure investment simply to look at a break-even case, with no prospect of ever seeing that back.   Even for Citeh's owners, that was not a particularly appealing prospect.  Lots more fun to throw that 200M at players and see what can happen.

[showmethemoney]

How did you conclude that people who sing ''murderers'' are fans at all?

 

They aren't fans, they're scumbags, and unfortunately every club has them. Pretending that the majority of Everton fans are like that is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

Spot on mate. What we have with them runs far deeper than a few pricks.

 

We have "fans" that have regularly sung about Munich.

Mancs & shites have fans that sing about Hillsborough ect - but they as you say are not fans.

 

What we have with our neighbours runs deep. The mass majority have stood side by side with us over Hillsborough & they like it or not help make our city what it is.

 

As I said earlier though, maybe some DT's don't get that.

 

No biggy, I wouldn't expect anything else tbh..

[Dane]

How did you conclude that people who sing ''murderers'' are fans at all?

 

They aren't fans, they're scumbags, and unfortunately every club has them. Pretending that the majority of Everton fans are like that is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

 

There is always a very large vocal airing of that chant, way way more than just a few.

They're no better than the mancs these days, and bitters is a very appropriate name.

 

Obviously they're not all bad, but it's more than just a minority who participate.

 

The banter and cameraderie which existed on match days in the 80's is long gone I'm afraid

 

Even a DT (whatever the fuck that is) knows that

[i_still_miss_fowler]

Everton have not been for sale, and has never been (despite what is said in public). The want an investor. 

 

Their board are holding out for a big payday (despite all their problems as a business) . They have been trying to dilute shares, BUT they are not willing to sell >50% of the club.

 

(They want someone to invest so that they can build a new staduim, then the board members will sell up)

 

Not one board member has said his shares are for sale (Kirkby inquiry confirmed none of them is willing to sell) , they have canceled annual meeting with AGM, and for all intents and purposes are acting in their interests rather than all shareholders (or more importantly fans). 

 

They are a club run poorly, and only look good if compared to Hicks and Gillet. 

[craig bellamy's golf club]

Look, i don't like the bitters and i have never lived in the city so my opinion might be judged as mute but, i would not like them to go out of business.  It would not be good for the league or the city.  I personally agree with i still miss fowler about it being a board issue.

 

Ground share?  Football has changed into a business, the politicians are hovering due to the new tv deal and the money aplenty for all.

 

Could it be forced upon us through political pressure?  I hope not......

[showmethemoney]

Could it be forced upon us through political pressure?  I hope not......

 

FSG promised they wouldn't didn't they.

 

But the council have been on at Liverpool, but if as it looks, we are regening Anfield, it's a non starter anyways.

[craig bellamy's golf club]

FSG promised they wouldn't didn't they.

 

But the council have been on at Liverpool, but if as it looks, we are regening Anfield, it's a non starter anyways.

 

That's the stumbling block, but ,(and it is a big but),  with a possible triple dip recession about to happen and the increasing interest by said politicians over the "interesting" tax loopholes used by agents/players the influence could slowly become stronger when that can of worms opens..........

 

Or am i just been paranoid?