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The Lurking One, Male, from USA (Midwest at moment)

It is so comforting to see that some things don't change. I can go away from here for a day, a week, or a month, and come back and you still have some folks with blind optimism and some with blind pessimism. Jul 28, 2014

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    1. gr_sounder
      gr_sounder
      It is so comforting to see that some things don't change. I can go away from here for a day, a week, or a month, and come back and you still have some folks with blind optimism and some with blind pessimism.
    2. gr_sounder
      gr_sounder
      Haha, back in the day, I was living in Atlanta and Jon Koncak was there with the NBAs Atlanta Hawks. His was the first ridiculous signing I remember. He was paid $13M for a 6 year contract (Big money back in 1989 as he was paid more than Bird, Johnson, or Jordan at the time) and was never more than a bench player. He was essentially paid big money because the Hawks were afraid he'd go to their rivals (Detroit mostly) and it killed the Hawks.

      I'm amazed Haynesworth was considered worse than that!

      Even so, I never begrudged Koncak... if someone had offered me that contract, I would have signed is so far it would have made your head spin.
    3. Arminius
      Arminius
      Fair enough - my position was not that Jovanovic actually did not get a chance, but that there could be sufficient uncertainty to make terminating a contract for non-performance unsustainable.

      I guess I was less than clear about how formations get picked up in contracts, but I think we are clear now - and apparently that can be a bit of a headache. I can see in footy how the headache would be bigger.

      Trying to remember where I saw the Top 10 worst signings piece, basically ranking athletes by how little they did versus how much they got paid, and Haynesworth was #1. Was not actually aware of the position issue around Haynesworth, it actually sounds like he doesn't have much in his contract...
    4. gr_sounder
      gr_sounder
      I understand where you are coming from and hope you didn't mind my joking around with you. I was actually trying to point out that some people are just crazy with the way they nitpick on things.

      Hey, I may not always agree with you, but I at least respect your opinion and try to make sure that when I debate you, I'm debating the meat of your argument, not the syntax you used when making your argument.

      I used to be a moderator on BigSoccer and another board and got so tired of the constant needling that went on and the bickering over minutia, so I gave up messageboards for a long time. I'm a relative newcomer here, though I have followed Liverpool since they initially tried (and failed) to sign Brad Friedel. With that, it took the new ownership to make me join (rather than just read) and post. Even now I post rarely because when I do I hope it is meaningful or thoughtful/insightful. Though I guess that went out the window on me making a joke on your post.

      Stick with it though, there are enough on here that actually read your opinions and appreciate that you put real meaning into them!
      (even if there are always more pains in the ass).
    5. DaggerToMyHeart
      DaggerToMyHeart
      It was sarcastic. I think there are many well thought out posts on this forum by many who lose their value because people don't give them the time to read or digest what is written properly. I don't include mine there but I find it increasingly annoying when someone suggests something that wasn't [I]actually [/I]said. For me, I was suggesting youth can play a role in the squad, the person at hand the says you cant start with them. Well, it wasn't what was said in the post.

      This forum used to be brilliant (around 08) for just taking peoples posts at what they said and indulging in debate without being subject critique and select interpretation.

      Stuff like that, is what gets on my figurative tits. There never used to be so many arguements or OTT debates because people took time and care to see the point at hand at face value.
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    Played soccer/football for over 30 years in the USA, highest level played was college. Have also coached and reffed for over 10 years.
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    Played soccer/football for over 35 years (sigh I'm getting old) in the USA.<br />Highest competitive level played was college.<br />Have also coached for over 10 years and been a dirty rotten stinking blind referee for over 20 years.<br />All of which of course makes me no more an expert on the beautiful game than anyone else... and I do understand there are many ways to build a team and play and win.<br /><br />I typically read more than I post.<br />I prefer actual facts to conventional wisdom.<br />I do believe everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I'll happily engage in good natured debate with anyone who puts thought into it. However, if you're going to try and bait me or wind me up... save your time. If I feel someone is trying to wind me up... I simply ignore it or deflect... it's not worth getting upset about an internet message board.

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