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    One such myth which seems to have appeared recently has been the same tired line about Rafa Benitez and his transfers since his time at Liverpool.
    You will hear people claiming things like:
    A larger proportion of Rafa's signings have been expensive and poor.
    This does of course depend on how a person interprets the words expensive and poor—the latter obviously being down to their personal opinion of a player.
    If someone wants to use the barometer of anything over a million pounds to be expensive and any player other than Messi or Ronaldo is considered poor; then anyone will struggle to argue against that logic—me included.
    We can easily address the “expensive” part of this particular argument:
    (Numbers in brackets are players still at the club)




    £20+ million: 1 (1)
    Torres
    £15-20 million: 2 (1)
    Mascherano, Keane
    £10-15 million: 2 (2)
    Babel, Alonso
    £5-10 million: 14 (9)
    Dossenna, Riera, Agger, Skrtel, Reina,Benayoun,Leiva, Kuyt, Pennant, Crouch, Bellamy, Sissoko, Morientes, Garcia
    £0-5 million: 47 (36)
    Degan, Cavelieri, Ngog, Plessis, Insua, Leto, Itandje, Voronin, Arbeloa, El Zhar, Aurelio, Palletta, Fowler, Kromkamp, Barragan, Nunez, Zenden, Gonzalez, Carson, Pellegrino, Josemi, Martin, Antwi, Hobbs, Miki Roque, Gulacsi, Padelli, Anderson, Poloskei, Crowther, Hansen, Saric, Ayala, Weijl, Blanco, Flora, Mendy, Ajdarevic, Simon, Bouzanis, Nemeth, Pacheco, Palsson, Brouwer, Durán, Huth, Domínguez.


    It is easy to see that the majority of Rafa’s signings have been below the £10 million mark and nothing like the fabrication that he has bought mostly “expensive” signings. It is also interesting to note that a large proportion are teenagers bought for the future of the club and may not be on alot of people's radars.
    With 49 of his 66 signings still at the club, it means the selling on fee cannot yet be properly forecast and it is near impossible to fully determine if the original fee paid for each player is expensive.

    Here are some more comments and claims made about Rafael Benitez:
    “He has bought 53 players for £190 million and sold 56 for £108 million, clearly a loss of £82 million proves he doesn’t have a clue in the transfer market.”
    I think the easiest way to explain this would be to just show you a full rundown of Rafael Benitez’ signings since he joined Liverpool in June 2004:





    Players bought in by Benitez: 66
    Players still at the club: 49
    First Team: 18
    Alonso, Reina, Agger, Aurélio, Kuyt, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Lucas, Torres, Itandje, Benayoun, Babel, Skrtel, Degen, Dossena, Cavalieri, Ngog, Riera.
    Reserve Team: 22
    El Zhar, Insúa, Palsson, Brouwer, Durán, Huth, Domínguez, Pacheco, Nemeth, Plessis, Hansen, Saric, Ayala, Weijl, Blanco, Flora, Mendy, Ajdarevic, Simon, Bouzanis, Crowther, Poloskei
    Out on Loan: 9
    Andriy Voronin, Jermaine Pennant, Sebastian Leto, David Martin, Godwin Antwi, Jack Hobbs, Miki Roque, Peter Gulacsi, Paul Anderson

    A figure of 49 players bought by Rafa are still playing for the club with the majority (29) bought as youth players for the reserve team—with the idea for future revenue if they perform to their potential. It will also save the club a great deal of money if they turn out to be superstars worth a large transfer fee.
    From that 49 figure, there are 18 still playing for the first team and contributing to the clubs success on a very large scale—with the majority of them being priced by many as a greater figure than when the players were initially bought by Rafa.
    From the nine players out on loan, only two are established players with the other seven being young reserve players gaining experience at other clubs—with the hope of either returning to Liverpool’s first team or making a profit to invest in future transfers, a policy utilised by many big clubs.

    Players Sold On by Benitez: 56
    Players Bought by Other Managers and Sold on by Benitez: 39
    Players Bought and Sold on by Rafa Benitez: 17


    For me, this is the key point from which poorly informed debaters’ opinions collapse. Most propaganda articles or rival supporters will wildly claim that Rafa has sold "56" players and made little money in return.
    They claim the “majority” of the "56" players the Liverpool manager has sold on have been at a loss and “proves” his failings in the transfer market. This is such a misleading statement to make that I really don’t know how people can still get away with it, let alone acctually believe it.
    For starters, Benitez has sold 39 players bought by other Liverpool managers.
    Benitez cannot be held accountable for selling a player at a loss when; Benitez was not the one who identified the player as a target in the first place; sanctioned the over-inflated transfer fee when the player was first purchased.
    You can only really judge him on the players he has bought and sold since he has been at the club and this brings the true figure down to just 17 players.

    Profit: 7
    Carson +2.25, Barragan +0.43, Sissoko +2.6, Crouch +4.0, Gonzalez +2.0, Bellamy +1.5, Nunez +0.5
    Loss: 6
    Garcia -2.0, Morientes -3.3, Palletta -0.8, Josemi (swapped for) Kromkamp -0.25, Idrizaj -0.19, Keane -3.0 (could be even less depending on contract triggers)
    Even: 4
    Pellegrino, Zenden, Fowler, Padelli (all four players were brought in and moved on for a free transfer)

    So the true extent of Rafa’s failings in the transfer market is just six players from 17, coming with a loss of just under £10 million within four and a half years—the most expensive loss being just £3.3 million; nothing like the losses achieved by other established Premier League managers who manage to avoid the media abuse storm.
    Hopefully that is one media myth that's now been eradicated.


    So it appears the knives are out once again for the pervasively criticised Liverpool manager, Rafael Benitez.


    As if it wasn't annoying enough that national media sources seem intent on creating an ill-informed ideology about the Spanish manager; more and more of his own supporters look to be jumping on the bandwagon aswell.


    Despite picking up exactly the same amount of points Manchester United did at this stage last year, it would seem "supporters" just cant be arsed to wait for all 38 games to be played anymore, before deciding that the title is over.


    I never realised football was such a predictable sport and was so black and white.
    Rafa's transfer history with Liverpool is the current stick of choice to beat the manager with, and once again the usual misleading headlines and unbalanced articles are saturating every football based website.


    Not to mention forums heaving with the alarming views of some Liverpool supporters who are worryingly reveling in the negativity and outright lies that are being written about the manager.


    Simply because they want Benitez out of the club.
    Now this is not an article to claim Benitez is the best manager in the history of football when it comes to transfers. It is certainly not definitive. It is just a collection of details that will be added to over time, that many seem to forget or leave out of their articles or debates.


    All i'm trying to do is present a slightly more balanced version of his transfer history with Liverpool; compared to the laughable one-sided rubbish spouted by experts and lauded by insanse supporters, too lazy to do a bit of research for themselves.
    Statistics can easily disprove many of the myths that surround the Liverpool manager.
    Here are a few of them. Feel free to twist them to suit your own reality.

    £20million+ (1)
    Still Here: (1)
    1st team: Torres

    £15-20million: (4)
    Still Here: (3)
    1st team: Mascherano, Aquilani, Johnson
    Sold On: (1)
    1st team: Keane

    £10-15million: (2)
    Still Here: (1)
    1st team: Babel
    Sold On: (1)
    1st team: Alonso

    £5-10million: (12)
    Still Here: (7)
    1st team: Agger, Skrtel, Reira, Kuyt, Lucas, Reina, Dossena,
    Sold on: (5)
    1st team: Garcia, Morientes, Crouch, Bellamy, Pennant

    £2-5million: (4)
    Still Here: (2)
    1st team: Benayoun, Cavalieri
    Sold On: (2)
    1st team: Sissoko, Arbeloa

    £0-2million (21)
    Still Here: (10)
    1st Team: Kygriakos, Itandje
    Reserve: Insua, Ngog, El Zhar, Kelly, Martin, Palsson, Cooper, Saric,
    Sold On: (11)
    1st team: Josemi, Nunez, Carson, Gonzalez, Kromkamp, Paletta
    Reserve: Barragan, Hobbs, Idrizaj, Ajdarevic, Leto

    Free Transfer: (24)
    Still Here: (16)
    1st Team: Voronin, Aurelio, Degan,
    Reserve: Plessis, Sanchez-Ayala, Hansen, Gulacsi, Amoo, Dalla Valle, Flora, Mendy, Weijl, Buchtmann, Poloskei (loan), Bruna, Mihaylov
    Sold On: (8)
    1st Team: Pellegrino, Fowler, Zenden
    Reserve: Roque, Anderson (swap), Padelli (loan), Antwi, Crowther,

    Unknown/Undisclosed: (9)
    Still Here: (8)
    Reserve: Bouzanis, San Jose Dominguez, Duran, Pacheco, Mavinga, Kackanaklic, Brouwer, Simon,
    Sold On: (1)
    Reserve: Huth

    Players signed by Rafa: 77
    1st Team Players: 37
    Reserve Players: 40
    Players still at the club: 48
    1st Team Players: 19
    Reserve Players: 29

    At this point it's interesting to note that many claim Benitez has sold 66 players since his time at Anfield and "most of them have been at a loss", and "this proves he is useless in the transfer market".
    Rafa may have sold 66 players, but of that figure, only 29 have been players Benitez

    Players sold on by Rafa: 66
    Players signed by another manager and sold by Rafa: 37
    Players bought and sold by Rafa: 29

    Profit: £37.6 million
    1st Team Players: (9)
    Alonso +20.0, Carson +5.4, Crouch +4.0, Sissoko +2.6, Gonzalez +1.5, Bellamy +1.5, Leto +1.2, Arbeloa +0.9, Nunez +0.5
    Reserve Players: (2)
    Barragan +0.4, Anderson +0.25

    Loss: £12.5 million
    1st Team Players: (3)
    Pennant -7.0, Morientes -3.0, Garcia -2.5,
    Reserve Players: (0)

    Even: (13) - £0.000
    1st Team Players: (7)
    Fowler, Zenden, Pellegrino, Paletta, Josemi (swapped for) Kromkamp, Keane(with contract triggers taking effect)
    Reserve Players: (6)
    Idrizaj, Ajdarevic, Roque, Padelli (loan), Antwi, Crowther

    Unknown: (2)
    Reserve Players:
    Hobbs, Huth




    Very interesting reading aint it lads,

    Rafa
    has signed himself, and sold at a profit of around £25million. But that "reality" doesn't make for a very sensational headline, now does it?

    Take into account the deals from this summer are not included, but we actually made a profit this summer so if anything it helps the case.

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    Where are the figures from? I'm not sure they're totally correct. I thought we made less from the sale of Carson for example. Secondly, some of those youngsters entered as free on the chart, i'm sure we paid for (such as plessis).

    However, more importantly, i agree with the overall theme of the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redfanman View Post
    Where are the figures from? I'm not sure they're totally correct. I thought we made less from the sale of Carson for example. Secondly, some of those youngsters entered as free on the chart, i'm sure we paid for (such as plessis).

    However, more importantly, i agree with the overall theme of the article.
    Pretty sure we signed Carson for £1m, got £2m for his loan to Villa and sold him for £3.2m (which can rise to £3.75m) which is a gain of almost £4m, not 5.4 as stated above.

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    Rafa has bought so many players. What I dont understand is that he bought players and then just sold them on like 6 months later. And average players at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishRed View Post
    Rafa has bought so many players. What I dont understand is that he bought players and then just sold them on like 6 months later. And average players at that.
    And as has been pointed out above, made a profit on them before upgrading for a better player.

    Cant understand it myself either.

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    Is this a Paul Tomkins article?

    Seriously, where's this from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Pretty sure we signed Carson for £1m, got £2m for his loan to Villa and sold him for £3.2m (which can rise to £3.75m) which is a gain of almost £4m, not 5.4 as stated above.
    I'm almost certian we got 2m for his loan at Charlton too though

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    Quote Originally Posted by McFunkalot View Post
    I'm almost certian we got 2m for his loan at Charlton too though
    Liverpool battled so long with Leeds against Chelsea to bring Carson to the club and where is he now, not at LFC. One wonders were these Rafa's players to buy, reason as to why he sold them so quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishRed View Post
    Liverpool battled so long with Leeds against Chelsea to bring Carson to the club and where is he now, not at LFC. One wonders were these Rafa's players to buy, reason as to why he sold them so quick.
    Are you seriously moaning about a player who plays in the Championship who we made £4m (plus) on? **** me, Rafa really cant win with some people.

    We signed him, got a good deal, he wasn't good enough, got 2 great deals for loans, sold him at profit and still you find time to moan about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Are you seriously moaning about a player who plays in the Championship who we made £4m (plus) on? **** me, Rafa really cant win with some people.

    We signed him, got a good deal, he wasn't good enough, got 2 great deals for loans, sold him at profit and still you find time to moan about it?
    I'm just saying why buy him and pursue it for so long then sell him 6 months later, profit maybe where is that money now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishRed View Post
    I'm just saying why buy him and pursue it for so long then sell him 6 months later, profit maybe where is that money now?
    6 months? He was with us for 3 years.

    Do you work? Because if I spent time making my business £4m I dont think any shareholders would complain.

    That money could have gone towards signing Torres. Who gives a shit. If if did though, how stupid of Rafa, pursuing players, making a profit on them then signing World Class players with the money made from their sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishRed View Post
    I'm just saying why buy him and pursue it for so long then sell him 6 months later, profit maybe where is that money now?
    Bellamy led to Torres, Sissoko led to Mascherano, Arbeloa led to Glen Johnson. Thats where Rafas profits went....!!

    In the words of Paul Tomkins : "Although Benítez has a gross spend of around £230m, his net spend is less than half that amount, due to needing to sell in order to buy. In 2009, he hasn’t even been allowed to fully reinvest what he’s raised in transfer fees."

    We all love to keep talking about the purchase of Dossena but many fail to give Rafa any credit for the signing of Insua... Paul Tomkins made a very good point recently regarding the signing of Insua and Dossena...

    "Insua could now well be worth much more than the fee paid for both him and Dossena, but people will only focus on the negative. If Insua had cost £7m and Dossena £1m, there'd be no problem. So ... what's the problem?"

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    Exactly, Insua is an Argentine international now, and has a really good chance of being their 1st choice left back in the 2010 World cup.

    He's atleast £10m rated left back in todays market and you could see that rise to £15m if he goes the world cup after a good season.

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    One thing I like about Rafa is that when he has signed someone and it doesn't pan out (and ALL managers make bad signings, it's just one of them things) he is usually decisive enough to not try and flog a dead horse and instead just ships them out quick fast. Bless him but Houllier never did that - he just stood his ground and persisted with shite players.

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    Babel

    Dossena

    Lucas Leiva

    Voronin

    Degen

    Kyrgiakos


    Say no more.

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    degen voronin free krygiakos stop-gap signing babel had lots of potential and maybe will be a success at a new club dossena the only bad signing give lucas a chance he was excellent against united and fulham

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Wire View Post
    Babel

    Dossena

    Lucas Leiva

    Voronin

    Degen

    Kyrgiakos


    Say no more.
    Foster

    Neville

    Anderson

    Nani


    All teams have them, not just us.

    Lucas is hardly shlt aswell

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    Free signing means **** all. Shall we sign pub players because they're free? What about me? No fucking chance. They are garbage players who have been a waste of wages and a waste of time. How do the club build for trophies, if the manager is signing shite players like these?

    I want Rafa to stay, but people delude themselves with figures instead of looking at things for what they are, the shite players at our club, playing games for our club, we signed by Rafa, that, for me, tells the biggest story, not the money he's spent, but the quality of player he's accepted here, and he has done just that, all but one of those players I named have had more than a season here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronic View Post
    Foster

    Neville

    Anderson

    Nani


    All teams have them, not just us.

    Lucas is hardly shlt aswell

    Hate to say the old Manc excuse, but they're winning titles with their players. They can be as shit as ours, but as long as they win trophies, we can't really point and prod or compare. Our players aren't winning us titles, we've lost 6 from the past 7, the reason we aren't winning titles is because of our weak squad players, United also have some shit squad players, but they've been to two CL finals for the past two seasons and won three leagues, theirs are obviously better than ours, as I believe our first team is stronger than theirs.

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    rafa has never been handed the type of money mourinho and ferguson spent so thats why he has to take a chance on some free signings. wenger spends no money and he has been out performed by benitez in recent seasons.

    the bottom line is no club has finished ahead of benitez in the last 3 seasons who have spent less money than he has

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Wire View Post
    Free signing means **** all. Shall we sign pub players because they're free? What about me? No fucking chance. They are garbage players who have been a waste of wages and a waste of time. How do the club build for trophies, if the manager is signing shite players like these?
    Didnt Benitez sign Fabio Aurelio on a free transfer aswel, how many people gave him credit for this signing, lets just keep focussing on Degen and Voronin shall we...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broomy View Post
    Didnt Benitez sign Fabio Aurelio on a free transfer aswel, how many people gave him credit for this signing, lets just keep focussing on Degen and Voronin shall we...
    Rafa has signed some great players: Reina, Aurelio, Arbeloa, Agger, Skrtel, Insua, Masch, Alonso, Benayoun, Torres, Crouch. Plenty of quality players; however, when you're in form like us, positives go out of the window as the positives aren't matching the results.

    I love Rafa, I want him to stay, but people constantly sunshine themselves with Tomkins and his figures, they constantly see that and think "see, it's not fair on Rafa", but, for a manager of our club, he has made some mistakes, some expensive mistakes and some general wastes of time, he has, and that's why we're in our current position: our squad isn't stronger than other club's, maybe we've been punching above our weight for the past few years, who knows, but I don't stand by all of these averages and stuff that the likes of Tomkins uses.

    Rafa is good in the market, he's signed some top players, but it's his insistence with mediocre players that is my biggest gripe. He signed Kyrgiakos in the summer, he's kept Babel, he's kept and promoted Lucas, Dossena is still here, Degen and Voronin were bloody signed and still kept! For a man who's been so ruthless in the past, he's cocked up a little lately, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Wire View Post
    Hate to say the old Manc excuse, but they're winning titles with their players. They can be as shit as ours, but as long as they win trophies, we can't really point and prod or compare. Our players aren't winning us titles, we've lost 6 from the past 7, the reason we aren't winning titles is because of our weak squad players, United also have some shit squad players, but they've been to two CL finals for the past two seasons and won three leagues, theirs are obviously better than ours, as I believe our first team is stronger than theirs.
    You do realise that both Manager and injuries play a part in cups won.

    Had we not had Torres and Stevie out for most of last season we'd of plssed that league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Wire View Post
    Babel

    Dossena

    Lucas Leiva

    Voronin

    Degen

    Kyrgiakos


    Say no more.
    Torres
    Alonso
    Reina
    Johnson
    Garcia
    Aquilani
    Mascherano
    Skrtel
    Benayoun
    Arbeloa
    Kuyt
    Aurelio
    Fowler
    Crouch
    Sissoko

    All decent signings in their individual ways. Can't think of 15 players of that quality bought by Houllier. Or even someone like Wenger.

    Say no more.

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