Rafa Benitez and His Transfer History With Liverpool Football Club

**Broomy** · 01-11-09 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Red Wire

Rafa is good in the market, he's signed some top players, but it's his insistence with mediocre players that is my biggest gripe. He signed Kyrgiakos in the summer, he's kept Babel, he's kept and promoted Lucas, Dossena is still here, Degen and Voronin were bloody signed and still kept! For a man who's been so ruthless in the past, he's cocked up a little lately, in my opinion.

Rafa has made some very bad signings granted but hes also made some fantastic signings also, Degen and Voronin were signed as free with only signing on fees and wages paid out, Rafa hadnt the money to go spending on other options, thats why he needed to stregthen the squad by signing players for free...

You mentioned he signed Kyrgiakos in the summer, who else could he have bought, continue playing Daniel Ayala? Why spend 5 or 6 million on our fourth choice center back if we had the money anyway? Kyrgiakos has done alright so far in the games hes played.

Any good manager would have bought Lucas, captain of the Brazilian U20 side and had just won the Bola de Ouro, he was one of the best young up and coming talents at the time and he hasn't really done much wrong this season, has he? He may not be as good as Alonso was but for his age he has the potential to becoming a key player for us in future if he keeps improving and learning the way he is now, so why should Rafa sell him?

Rafa has a great transfer record if you go through and analyse players at the club, he bought a young 22 year old Spanish goalkeeper called Pepe Reina, who, if we can keep at the club for the next number of years will become one of the best goalkeepers we ever had, did I mention Rafa signed him for just in the region of �6 million, one of the best signings Liverpool have ever made over the past two decades if you ask me!!

So, hes made some bad signings but hes also made some brilliant signing aswel, as i mentioned earlier in this thread, Rafas building a great team, Bellamy led to Torres, Sissoko led to Mascherano, Arbeloa led to Glen Johnson, Carson led to Reina, the players are improving, if we can improve on players for the left midfield and try and improve on Kuyt next season, we'll have one strong team... We'll also have our youngters coming through next season in Pacheco and Nemeth etc...

**lfc.eddie** · 02-11-09 01:04 AM

Where's Gonzales and Leto? A few missing players would make others deem this figures inaccurate, I'm afraid.

**huwzie** · 02-11-09 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Red Wire

Free signing means **** all. Shall we sign pub players because they're free? What about me? No fucking chance. They are garbage players who have been a waste of wages and a waste of time. How do the club build for trophies, if the manager is signing shite players like these?

I want Rafa to stay, but people delude themselves with figures instead of looking at things for what they are, the shite players at our club, playing games for our club, we signed by Rafa, that, for me, tells the biggest story, not the money he's spent, but the quality of player he's accepted here, and he has done just that, all but one of those players I named have had more than a season here.

Mate, we buy free players because we have no money.

Do you get it? He's not being given sufficient funds to buy the quality players we need to strengthen the squad.

Is that Rafa's fault?

**Woody** · 02-11-09 11:06 AM

Wheres Aquilani in those figures?

**shachart** · 02-11-09 01:26 PM

there is one thing that many don't take into consideration, all the players :youth, old, free signing etc, all have to be paid a salary.

take voronin, free signing, hopefully we'll sell him for something, at first look easy money, good signing by rafa.
on the otherhand, we are paying him monthly for 3 years ( except when he was on loan ), he is not banging in goals, and just takes up space.
add all the reserve players who have prayer to play for the first team, and thats quite a bit of money, that could have been used un the transfer market.

**Raavishx** · 02-11-09 01:33 PM

Its called Opportunity Cost.... And the cost of signing those cheap and average players far outweighs any benefit, if any..

**Raavishx** · 02-11-09 01:37 PM

Of all those brillant young brazilians players.. full of flair, technique and attacking minded... who do we sign??? lucas

Of all those brillant young dutch players.. full of flair, technique and attacking minded... who do we sign??? babel and kuyt

Granted we signed torres.. but still... nobody will be able to make me believe that lucas was at the time we signed him the best prospect from brazil.... com on..

**DaggerToMyHeart** · 02-11-09 01:38 PM

Personally most of the players rafa has signed seemed like good logic at the time. Nearly all of them where doing well in their current leagues so the oppertunity far out weighed the cost.

But I estimated that we have had about 17m per season to spend and that to me is pathetic, especially when you are trying to win a PL.

**DaggerToMyHeart** · 02-11-09 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Raavishx

Of all those brillant young brazilians players.. full of flair, technique and attacking minded... who do we sign??? lucas

Of all those brillant young dutch players.. full of flair, technique and attacking minded... who do we sign??? babel and kuyt

Granted we signed torres.. but still... nobody will be able to make me believe that lucas was at the time we signed him the best prospect from brazil.... com on..

In fact lucas was one of the best prospects from brazil, it was him anderson,renato augusto,kerlon,thiago neves where all the big prospects comming through.

Lucas isnt a bad player either.

**Kontra** · 02-11-09 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Raavishx

Of all those brillant young brazilians players.. full of flair, technique and attacking minded... who do we sign??? lucas

Of all those brillant young dutch players.. full of flair, technique and attacking minded... who do we sign??? babel and kuyt

Granted we signed torres.. but still... nobody will be able to make me believe that lucas was at the time we signed him the best prospect from brazil.... com on..

You need to do some research on Lucas before you can make a statement like that.

Babel is very attacking minded, has flair but does not have the brain it seams.

The trick in this game is to see how players will turn up before you sign them. Not after they have been in your team for 3 years.

**huwzie** · 02-11-09 01:46 PM

Signing a Youth player Cost approx �200k

Wages approx �300 - �1000 a week.

For say Tevez �25M
wages �150k a week. (5year deal)

All in all �64M (transfer fee + wages mfor 5 years)

Absolutely no comparison.

A youth player who has potential might cost �200k and his wages for 5 years at �1000 a week will cost us �250k over 5 years.

The reason we are buying a lot of youth players is because we cant afford to buy established stars

**Raavishx** · 02-11-09 01:51 PM

Yeah but i thought we needed an attacking player at that time.. we had alonso and just bought mascherano didnt we..

then why buy lucas another defensive midfielder for 6 million.. Say i agree he was among the best prospect.. but i personally would have prefered someone who played in an attacking role at that point in time.. maybe a winger.. coz we had none.. instead we bought pennant for around 6million..

Adds up to 12million.. wonder who we could have bought for that amount in 2006/07

**huwzie** · 02-11-09 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Raavishx

Of all those brillant young brazilians players.. full of flair, technique and attacking minded... who do we sign??? lucas

Of all those brillant young dutch players.. full of flair, technique and attacking minded... who do we sign??? babel and kuyt

Granted we signed torres.. but still... nobody will be able to make me believe that lucas was at the time we signed him the best prospect from brazil.... com on..

Hang a bang there now mate.

Dont start bashing Kuyt.

He was the stick people bashed Rafa with over 2 years ago now before he firmly rammed the anti Kuyt brigades comments down their throats.

Kuyt has proved time and again that he has been a worthy LFC player.

Lucas will prove everybody here wrong. He's already started doing that now.

You know whats going to happen to him dont you? He'l become one of Europes best midfielders and he will want a move because liverpool fans instead of showing him support when he came into fill Alonso's boots, booed and havinent showed him any Love when we should have.

**Kayce�** · 02-11-09 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by lfc.eddie

Where's Gonzales and Leto? A few missing players would make others deem this figures inaccurate, I'm afraid.

Andrea Dossena

Sebastian Leto

Antonio Nunez

Jan Kromkamp

Boudewijn Zenden

Mauricio Pellegrino

Philipp Degen

Charles Itandje

Andriy Voronin

Mark Gonzalez

Josemi Rey

Ryan Babel

Fernando Morientes

Jermaine Pennant

Gabriel Paletta

**Raavishx** · 02-11-09 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Kontra

You need to do some research on Lucas before you can make a statement like that.

Babel is very attacking minded, has flair but does not have the brain it seams.

The trick in this game is to see how players will turn up before you sign them. Not after they have been in your team for 3 years.

if babel is all that why he doesnt deliver?? mayb like you said he got no brains.. so whats the point?? wrong or gud signing??

Lucas.. granted u20 captain, was described as a denfensive midfield who likes going forward.. gud prospect.. lets be honest tho.. any player from brazil signing for a big club is describeb as a brillant prospect.. its up to the scouts to see thtt for themselves.. you cant just trust the papers.. dont see him doing much when he goes forward.. bad passes most of the time and losses the ball..

My point was why of all the gud propsects, di we have to get those two.. am sure i can list at least 20 better alternatives.. Lets be honest.. Do you think those two are the best that liverpool can afford and are whats best for the club?? if yes... then am

**redalways** · 02-11-09 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Raavishx

if babel is all that why he doesnt deliver?? mayb like you said he got no brains.. so whats the point?? wrong or gud signing??

Lucas.. granted u20 captain, was described as a denfensive midfield who likes going forward.. gud prospect.. lets be honest tho.. any player from brazil signing for a big club is describeb as a brillant prospect.. its up to the scouts to see thtt for themselves.. you cant just trust the papers.. dont see him doing much when he goes forward.. bad passes most of the time and losses the ball..

My point was why of all the gud propsects, di we have to get those two.. am sure i can list at least 20 better alternatives.. Lets be honest.. Do you think those two are the best that liverpool can afford and are whats best for the club?? if yes... then am

Funny, I read the reviews of him as a central midfielder very much in the mould of Gerrard, and only played defensive midfield because his defending needed work.

Either way, he hasn't been the cause of our poor form and you know it.

**Raavishx** · 02-11-09 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by huwzie

Hang a bang there now mate.

Dont start bashing Kuyt.

He was the stick people bashed Rafa with over 2 years ago now before he firmly rammed the anti Kuyt brigades comments down their throats.

Kuyt has proved time and again that he has been a worthy LFC player.

Lucas will prove everybody here wrong. He's already started doing that now.

You know whats going to happen to him dont you? He'l become one of Europes best midfielders and he will want a move because liverpool fans instead of showing him support when he came into fill Alonso's boots, booed and havinent showed him any Love when we should have.

Not banging him.. god knows he works his socks off.. but the man can only do what he is humanely capable of doing.. and that unfortunately doesnt fullfill the team's need.. a good, pacey winger with lots of flair.. granted he was not a winger.. but still..

And to lucas... in the long run we are all dead.. I personally dont want to be spending 6 million on lucas and have to wait (in how many years again are we supposed to see this transformation again??) for results.. we bought him when he was 20 isnt it... can think of lots of better 20 year old out there..

**huwzie** · 02-11-09 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Raavishx

Yeah but i thought we needed an attacking player at that time.. we had alonso and just bought mascherano didnt we..

then why buy lucas another defensive midfielder for 6 million.. Say i agree he was among the best prospect.. but i personally would have prefered someone who played in an attacking role at that point in time.. maybe a winger.. coz we had none.. instead we bought pennant for around 6million..

Adds up to 12million.. wonder who we could have bought for that amount in 2006/07

Its not just transfer cost we should take into consideration.

A player worth �12M back in 2006/07 might demand nearly double the wages someone valued at �6M would want.

Plus there were many players valued at �12M Rafa was looking at but at the time he was rebuilding the squad.

It was last summer that was the key for us.

He finally built a side capable of pushing the top four all the way. This is the time when we should be adding 1 or 2 top top quality players to our playing squad as opposed to the 4 or 5 he had to buy in previous years when rebuilding the squad.

United has been in that position for Years. Fungus hasnt had to rebuild his squad since the early days. Granted he has had 4 or 5 different teams in his 22 years but once he got them onto the winning plateau he has been adding 1 or 2 top quality marquee signings every few years (plus adding expensive reserve players) to his ranks.

So their evolution continues and theres no upheaval.

Rafa's building us up from the bottom up.

He's transformed an underperforming Youth set up which we had and has invested in ensuring Liverpool FC has the best players coming through its ranks.

Our first team is a bit threadbare.

As ive been going on about for a while. This is due to a lack of backing from the board than anything else.

**DaggerToMyHeart** · 02-11-09 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Raavishx

if babel is all that why he doesnt deliver?? mayb like you said he got no brains.. so whats the point?? wrong or gud signing??

Lucas.. granted u20 captain, was described as a denfensive midfield who likes going forward.. gud prospect.. lets be honest tho.. any player from brazil signing for a big club is describeb as a brillant prospect.. its up to the scouts to see thtt for themselves.. you cant just trust the papers.. dont see him doing much when he goes forward.. bad passes most of the time and losses the ball..

My point was why of all the gud propsects, di we have to get those two.. am sure i can list at least 20 better alternatives.. Lets be honest.. Do you think those two are the best that liverpool can afford and are whats best for the club?? if yes... then am

they are the best we can afford and you know it.
If rafa had is way we'd be bringing in simao,alves silva etc.

Oh and in 07 we brought in benayoun AM, and rafa tried to sign simao sabrosa, frank ribery (I think) and ricardo quaresma.

**huwzie** · 02-11-09 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Raavishx

Not banging him.. god knows he works his socks off.. but the man can only do what he is humanely capable of doing.. and that unfortunately doesnt fullfill the team's need.. a good, pacey winger with lots of flair.. granted he was not a winger.. but still..

And to lucas... in the long run we are all dead.. I personally dont want to be spending 6 million on lucas and have to wait (in how many years again are we supposed to see this transformation again??) for results.. we bought him when he was 20 isnt it... can think of lots of better 20 year old out there..

Lucas is already showing his worth.

Joint MOM against United,

Played in 4-4 draw at Stamford Bridge and 1-4 win at old trafford. Scoring 1 at chelsea too.

The bloke is putting excellent performances in big games. He's coming, if you cant see it i pity you.

**Raavishx** · 02-11-09 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by redalways

Funny, I read the reviews of him as a central midfielder very much in the mould of Gerrard, and only played defensive midfield because his defending needed work.

Either way, he hasn't been the cause of our poor form and you know it.

the cause of the poor run is a squad not good enough for being the premiership winners.. and if am not wrong this squad is made up of voronin, degen, babel, lucas, kuyt, ayala, plessis, kelly, n'gog n so on.. im not saying they are bad players.. i especially think those young players shouldbe given a chance.. but we cant win the league with those players only..

watched the game against arsenal and fulham.. arsenal played their kids.. we had babel and kuyt in the team.. even if i expected arsenal to play well and mayb better that our youngsters.. i would have expected kuyt and babel to have been atleast better than arsenal kids.. and against fulham kuyt di a repeat of that performance..

**Raavishx** · 02-11-09 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by huwzie

Lucas is already showing his worth.

Joint MOM against United,

Played in 4-4 draw at Stamford Bridge and 1-4 win at old trafford. Scoring 1 at chelsea too.

The bloke is putting excellent performances in big games. He's coming, if you cant see it i pity you.

i rest my case.. just hope you are right...

**Mike1892** · 02-11-09 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Raavishx

Yeah but i thought we needed an attacking player at that time.. we had alonso and just bought mascherano didnt we..

then why buy lucas another defensive midfielder for 6 million.. Say i agree he was among the best prospect.. but i personally would have prefered someone who played in an attacking role at that point in time.. maybe a winger.. coz we had none.. instead we bought pennant for around 6million..

Adds up to 12million.. wonder who we could have bought for that amount in 2006/07

No we didn't have Masch, we had Xabi, Sissoko and Gerrard. We tried to sign Simao and ended up with Pennant. We also improved our league standing and got to CL final, but why bring that up it was Souness who built those foundations.

Like mentioned above we have roughly 20m to spend net every season, with which we should win the title apparently. With that considered Rafa has done fairly well I'd say, he certainly hasn't dropped any more blobs than most.

Forgetting all that has gone before this season the fact of the matter remains that we went into pre season with best chance we ever had in winning the prem. When we needed the final push the financial support wasn't there. If I had a pound for everytime I read the words SMOKE SCREEN in the rumour mill I'd have the fucking money to give to Rafa, but it wasn't. Why? Because the debt needs servicing.

Now have a look at our net spend this summer compared to all the other Premier league clubs and tell me what you see.

My only complaint this summer with Rafa was keeping Babel/Dossena/Voronin. He was willing to give them another chance which ultimately is costing us in one shape or form. However we do not know why they were kept.

And lose the text talk m8, unless your 7 then I apologise.

**DaggerToMyHeart** · 02-11-09 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mike1892

No we didn't have Masch, we had Xabi, Sissoko and Gerrard. We tried to sign Simao and ended up with Pennant. We also improved our league standing and got to CL final, but why bring that up it was Souness who built those foundations.

Like mentioned above we have roughly 20m to spend net every season, with which we should win the title apparently. With that considered Rafa has done fairly well I'd say, he certainly hasn't dropped any more blobs than most.

Forgetting all that has gone before this season the fact of the matter remains that we went into pre season with best chance we ever had in winning the prem. When we needed the final push the financial support wasn't there. If I had a pound for everytime I read the words SMOKE SCREEN in the rumour mill I'd have the fucking money to give to Rafa, but it wasn't. Why? Because the debt needs servicing.

Now have a look at our net spend this summer compared to all the other Premier league clubs and tell me what you see.

My only complaint this summer with Rafa was keeping Babel/Dossena/Voronin. He was willing to give them another chance which ultimately is costing us in one shape or form. However we do not know why they were kept.

And lose the text talk m8, unless your 7 then I apologise.

We also tried to sign figo aswell, its none of rafas fault, its the owners and/or parry.

**i_still_miss_fowler** · 02-11-09 02:27 PM

What makes people think that if we had offloaded Babel/Dossena/Voronin in the summer, Rafa would have been given the money to buy alternative players. Everyone knows we made a profit this summer (on transfers) but he was only given �2 million to buy a defender!!

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