BREXIT - Good idea or not?

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Brexit - good idea?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Yes (UK inhabitant)

    27.9%
  2. No (UK inhabitant)

    27.9%
  3. Yes (EU inhabitant, outside UK)

    3.6%
  4. No (EU inhabitant, outside UK)

    20.7%
  5. Yes (outside UK and EU)

    3.6%
  6. No (outside UK and EU)

    8.1%
  7. Don't know (UK inhabitant)

    3.6%
  8. Don't know (outside of UK)

    4.5%
  1. ptt

    ptt Mane I'm excited for this season

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    Ironic that he's citing people not really understanding what they were voting for as a reason to protest and try to reverse the decision. Something about launching an illegal war Tony? Don't remember anybody voting for that.
     
  2. ptt

    ptt Mane I'm excited for this season

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    I'm sure we'll also all agree that there's no chance that his customers, sorry, friends, in the EU are paying him, sorry, asking him, to do this as they're scared shittless of what will happen to the EU if we leave.
     
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  3. Bonus

    Bonus TIA New Signing

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    your right nobody voted for the illegal war,
    but I do remember people protesting about the illegal war,
    did the protests make him reverse the decision to go to war?
     
  4. ptt

    ptt Mane I'm excited for this season

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    Yes, I distinctly remember him not going to war because of protests. I was probably drunk though.......
     
  5. jaffod

    jaffod Well-Known Member

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    The ultimate irony being it was his party's misguided and damaging policies that ultimately led to millions voting to leave the EU.
    You'd think a fucking war criminal would be more interested in keeping their head down given the damage done at home and abroad but not this dickhead.
     
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  6. Scott Jones

    Scott Jones Well-Known Member

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    A conscience is something Mr Blair was born without,a righteous man he thinks he is and we are all complete and utter fucking numbskulls,:eh?:
     
  7. ptt

    ptt Mane I'm excited for this season

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    Nope, he's got his pocket lining career to consider.
     
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  8. Kopstar

    Kopstar ★★★★★ Valued Member

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    Kanonkop Well-Known Member

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    It should....but unless there is another Momentum candidate that can be put forward....I doubt he goes anywhere as he would still win the vote amongst the Labour party members eligible to vote.

    So long as labour are essentially controlled by the hard left - they are unelectable on a national level.
     
  10. football.tiger

    football.tiger TIA Squad Member

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    They're back!
     
  11. ptt

    ptt Mane I'm excited for this season

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  12. Cologne-Liverpool

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    Honest question, I follow British politics to a degree, but certainly don't have enough insight to understand all the details/dynamics involving it: What's with Corbyn? I was under the impression he was sort of popular with the base/Labour voters but not accepted/supported by the political establishment - maybe I got that wrong, or has it changed? What is the main criticism of him?
     
  13. Scott Jones

    Scott Jones Well-Known Member

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    Spot on mate,no change really.:well done:

    Labour's London supporters want different to those in the north,they can't connect the two as they are miles apart.
     
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  14. The Flying Pig

    The Flying Pig Well-Known Member

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    The Labour party changed their membership rules. It became possible to join very cheaply and have an immediate vote in leadership elections. A hard left group called Momentum organised a mass infiltration of the Labour party and elected Corbyn. Most of the Parliamentary Labour Party, the MPs, are social democrats and don't support Corbyn.
    So Corbyn has the support of the Labour Party now dominated by Momentum but not the Parliamentary Labour Party, the MPs. Traditional Labour voters who previously voted for Blair tend to be more social democratic than Momentum.
    Thus the Labour Party is virtually unelectable for the forseeable future and because Corbyn does not have the support of most Labour MPs he struggles to organise a shadow cabinet and is therfore unable to mount a credible opposition to the May Government
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  15. ptt

    ptt Mane I'm excited for this season

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    He's utterly pointless, has no charm, charisma or personality. He stands for values that the Russians would recognise from the early 1900s. Radical socialism is dead, long may he remain as Labour leader.

    Seriously though, it's no good for the country if there isn't a strong opposition.
     
  16. Kopstar

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    Scott Jones Well-Known Member

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  18. Chewbazza

    Chewbazza True Believer

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    Worrying that some of the Scots they are interviewing think that leaving the UK means they could remain and thrive in the EU.
     
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  19. El Dorado

    El Dorado Well-Known Member

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    It does seem that nationalism is poised to run the table.
     
  20. Arminius

    Arminius FSG PR plant Moderator

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    I can see the long-term interest, but if exiting the EU is half as complicated as it appears, leaving the UK and staying in the EU is not really in the decision framework. Entering as a new member and joining the Eurozone immediately has a whole host of questions attached to it.
     
  21. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

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    Could be or would be? Really interesting to know if it is going to happen before hand though, for a very selfish reason of course.
     
  22. ptt

    ptt Mane I'm excited for this season

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    Friday.
     
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  23. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

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    Bill passed, GBP rallying against Euro. Go for long in the next hour.....
     
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  24. ptt

    ptt Mane I'm excited for this season

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    Dead cat bounce.
     
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  26. Maria

    Maria The Misfit one

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    I watched this video about the British living in an enclave in Spain on one of the Costa. I was stunned, one of them voted for Brexit and many of them do not make an effort to learn the Spanish language or mix with the local Spanish people. Obe even said, British aren't foreigners, they are expats, but other non British are foreigners. These are the elderly generation who habe lived in Spain for years.
     
  27. Kopstar

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    Radio 5 live has been doing an interesting series where they've been interviewing locals in various European countries about their thoughts on Brexit. I've only heard the ones from Germany, France and Spain but none of them wanted Britain punished because they each relied on trade or the presence of British ex-pats or tourists was too important to the economy. They all wanted to maintain free trade (or at the most very low tariffs). That included French farmers and, in fact, the European farmers association (through IFSA I think) supports tariff-free trade with the UK. The comments being made that the UK would be punished were political voices and in no way reflected the views of industry and employers within the three member states I mention.
     
  28. spizfromoz

    spizfromoz Well-Known Member

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    I'd call them arrogant bastards, asserting their experience as a privilege.
     
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  29. Flobs

    Flobs FADA

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    The UK being 'punished' was a UK interpretation. Punishment never came from the ideas on continent. The worst the politicians came out with was that Britain wouldn't be given a better deal than what had been offered to Cameron.
    However we live in democracies and many 'ordinary' people would prefer that the UK just 'fucked off'. There's is a general feeling that the UK is self centered and has no place in a union (which was reflected in the Brexit vote).
    To be fair it's very low down on peoples priorities. Presidential elections in France is showing clearly that national politics is at the center of most peoples thoughts and Brexit doesn't figure at all. Also it's easy to find the replies you want for your agenda. In any case your politicians keep saying for UK it's a win win situation so how can you be punished?
     
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  30. Kopstar

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    I was simply relaying what those interviewed by the BBC had said. Wanting the UK to just 'fuck off' is not the same as wanting to damage their own economies. I appreciate that there is a sense of impatience that the UK, having decided to leave the EU, should just get on with that process but the idea that they want to jeopardise their own economic recovery to teach the UK a lesson (as was frequently posited by those against Brexit) just doesn't seem to be borne out beyond those with vested political interests.
     

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