Bundesliga 2016/17

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  1. mattyhurst

    mattyhurst TIA Regular

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    Aren't they one of those Red Bull funded clubs which started with of with the purchase of an Austria club or New York Red Bull, it's a mixture of some joy and some annoyance. They are I believe the only East German club in the top flight mind and anything that changes it from the runaway bore fest of a Munich coronation is a good thing.

    It's good to see there is at least the development of a fight in some of the major leagues this season, Spain was tight and Barca and Madrid can't just show up now against most, France is really interesting, the only let down was Italy but even that has started to bunch up a bit with Roma and Milan challenging
     
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  2. Maria

    Maria The Misfit one

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    Yes, so true, I heard that RB Leipzig are not very popular because of the new ownersk in the Bundesliga, according to our journalists who monitor that league.
     
  3. FritzWalterndCatfishing

    FritzWalterndCatfishing everythingkrauterthaneveryoneelse†ripmrkilmister†

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    mr hurst . yaj they are one off these clubs. but theyve got some plan. they stamp the innovative project 2 an football acadamy there is nothing else in europe. but its an plastic club. bundesliga is dominated by munich ok, but the level of opponents always was high and this is why the leugue is "good". no one need red bull in footy.

    they should do their x treme spotz nd motorsport sponsoring what is great. but not enough. seems
     
  4. spizfromoz

    spizfromoz Well-Known Member

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    These football franchises are really starting to piss me off. ManCity/NY City/Melb City; RB Salzburg, RB Leipzig.

    I can see Real Madrid, Real Boston, Real Sydney, one day or some other franchise (Real Coke, anyone?)
     
  5. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    Borussia Dortmund, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Borussia Fulda.
     
  6. cardiffpete

    cardiffpete TIA Reserve Team

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    Leipzig play a very front-foot stuff of the 4-2-2-2 ultra-Brazilian attack formula. The only non-traditional Top club to be challenging high in the upper echelons of any Top 5 League now. Ruthless stuff too. Red Bull (of course), but anything to upset the current Bayern gravy-train ride to the title. All youth stuff too, is now Leipzig. Bankrolled for sure, but big budgets for youth and the LFC stuff of aged 17~24 for ideal signings, not anyone aged much higher. A very young team is this.

    Before Klopp, Rangnick first introduced high-pressing to BuLi with his very high-press (and very no-name) Hoffenheim (also a very hated one too). Now Rangnick is doing the very same at Leipzig here. Big high-press, very good attacking stuff, all well-spaced too. The new-kid-on-the-block-syndrome, surely.

    The football is very OK though. Technically, it's also RasenBall Sport Leipzig here too aka no actual mention to Red-bull, apart from the RB pre-name. It is very much RB though, same as the now prevailing Formula 1 stuff. Same very young and very exciting stuff too. I'm very OK with a very young and very exciting side just kicking-ass, no matter what the League or the circumstances behind it. RB's owner seems to always want young-and-exciting for all of his many projects in so-many sports.

    There are so many other (very bad) ways to go here aka to just bully-boy a League with only money. RB though do seem to only spend on the very young and the very exciting angles. That I do not mind one single bit. It's even maybe refreshing, to see.
     
  7. DeathOrGlory

    DeathOrGlory Fortune Favours the Brave

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    When Borussia Dortmund play their first away game of the season against newly promoted RB Leipzig on Saturday, thousands of their most diehard fans will be following the team’s progress not in the stadium but over the radio.

    Supporters of Dortmund, whose home ground averages one of the highest attendances in world football, have announced they will refrain from travelling to Leipzig, 210 miles (340km) to the east, in protest at their opponents’ commercial structure.

    Instead they will be watching Dortmund’s youth team play at their old ground, Rote Erde, and following the senior squad’s Bundesliga match via a live radio broadcast. “Of course Dortmund makes money, but we do it in order to play football,” said Jan-Henrik Gruszecki, one of the protest’s organisers. “But Leipzig plays football in order to sell a product and a lifestyle. That’s the difference.”

    The grassroots rebellion is the latest in an ever-growing list of protests against a club that has fast become the most hated in German football.

    Until 2009, RB Leipzig was a fifth-division club called SSV Markranstädt that few had heard of even in its native Saxony. Then the Austrian energy drink manufacturer Red Bull bought the club’s licence, changed its name, crest and kit, and promised a transfer budget of a rumoured €100m (£85m).

    Since the rulebooks of German football do not allow clubs to be named after their sponsors, the new club was christened Rasenballsport Leipzig, meaning lawn ball sports” – a name that the club’s marketing team studiously avoids in its promotional material in favour of “The Red Bulls” or simply “RB”.

    But what offends Leipzig’s critics is less the club’s marketing strategy than the possibility that it could undermine the structures that in recent years have given German club football a good name.

    Unlike in other leagues in Europe, the statutes of the German Football Association deter big investors from taking over its clubs. According to the so-called “50+1” rule, clubs must hold a majority of their own voting rights. Only investors who have been involved with a club for more than 20 years can apply for an exception to the 50+1 rule.

    In Borussia Dortmund’s case, this means that 139,000 paying members have a veto over issues such as ticket prices.

    RB Leipzig sign up to the letter of the 50+1 rule but – so their critics allege – corrupt its spirit: while membership at Dortmund costs adults €62 per annum, being a “gold” member at Leipzig will set you back €1,000 a year – and that still only makes you a “supporting” or non-voting member.

    Even after being forced by the German FA to open up their membership structure in order to get a licence for the first division, RB Leipzig only have 17 members proper – the majority of whom are either employees or associates of Red Bull.

    As a result, RB Leipzig’s seven-year rise into German football’s top flight has been dogged by boycotts and protest stunts by opposing fans. At Union Berlin in 2014, the team was met with spectators clad in black plastic ponchos and a 15-minute silence after kick-off.

    In the first round of the German cup this season, supporters of Dynamo Dresden threw a severed bull’s head on to the side of the pitch. And in the opening match of the new season, fans of Hoffenheim – previously reviled as the Bundesliga’s other “plastic” club – waved sarcastic placards that read: “We want our throne back: Germany’s most hated club.”

    In the buildup to Saturday’s fixture, Dortmund have refused Leipzig the licence to use their logo and name on a joint “friendship scarf”.

    RB Leipzig’s supporters accuse their critics of hypocrisy, pointing out that other clubs with similar corporate support structures, such as Wolfsburg, Leverkusen or Ingolstadt, have been able to avoid the same level of scrutiny.

    “It seems some people are more content with moaning about us than coming up with a workable way in which the 50+1 rule could be reformed”, said Matthias Kiessling, who writes a blog about the club.

    Leipzig’s defenders point to the club’s progressive football philosophy. Under their innovative director of sports, Ralf Rangnick, RB have played attractive football and invested mainly in young players no older than 24, recently managing to lure the promising Scottish 19-year-old Oliver Burke to join from Nottingham Forest.

    For young fans in the Leipzig area, watching big clubs like Dortmund and Bayern complain nervously about the Saxon upstart is a novel and exciting experience: the last time a team from the former GDR played in the Bundesliga – Energie Cottbus in 2009 – RB Leipzig had not yet been founded.

    The question remains whether Red Bull’s marketing strategy can provide a long-term future for the former East Germany’s football landscape, which was ravaged by systemic lack of funds and the opportunistic scouts of West German clubs after reunification in 1990.

    Sceptics point to Red Bull’s other football franchise, Salzburg, once the kingpin of the Austrian firm’s football empire, which has recently had to come to terms with its new status as a feeder club for its younger sibling after failing to qualify for the Champions League nine times in a row.

    Over the summer, Rangnick transferred three of Salzburg’s best players to Leipzig. After years of being Austria’s most hated club, fans complained in an open letter to the almighty sponsor that they were now a “laughing stock”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...become-the-most-hated-club-in-german-football
     
  8. DeathOrGlory

    DeathOrGlory Fortune Favours the Brave

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    Membership at Dortmund only costs 62 Euros per year? What does that buy you? Not a season ticket surely but a right to vote on issues concerning the club? Is that all? Still wildly cheap if so!
     
  9. cardiffpete

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    Leipzig has gone from about €10 for stands and €30 for sideline sits to about €15 and to about €50 for sideline (more of for class 1 teams, less for Class 2 stuff etc) . Hertha BSC too has now gone a bit upwards as well aka €15 for Ostkurve stuff and maybe pushing towards €30~40 and up for haupttribune in the VVK stuff, for tageskaarten (day tickets) stuff. Dauerkaarten (aka season-tickets) are more affordable though. RBL mid-to-high range in Buli, HBSC lower-end still.

    All very affordable though and very low end EPL stuff, Boro etc.
     
  10. Prolix

    Prolix Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't answer his question...
     
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  11. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

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    Not really that cheap....

    http://www.bvb.de/eng/Tickets/Seating-plan

    Season tix starts at €130 - 700, and it's for adult ticket pricing. That is their most current ticket price on sale. But still cheaper than most EPL tickets.
     
  12. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    Most of people in Germany don't like if a rich owner pushes his new club into Bundesliga and less traditional clubs have a place there.

    By the way, this week Dortmund CEO Watzke is fighting with RB Leipzig.

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  13. Prolix

    Prolix Well-Known Member

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    Did that statement really require an accompanying photo?
     
  14. DeathOrGlory

    DeathOrGlory Fortune Favours the Brave

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    Of Course, now we know what the CEO of Dortmund looks like, if we didn't already. We also know the club logo of RB Leipzig. The fact his body language is closed off and looking somewhat disdainfully gives the impression that he isn't happy with said club.

    Vital stuff to the accompanying message.
     
  15. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    Aubameyang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Bayern look shocked after 11 min.

    What a game start!
     
  16. Nikola

    Nikola Optimist with a bit of experience. Admin

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    Dortmund have retreated immediately after scoring, don't like to see them dropping so deep against Bayern. Very brave from Tuchel to start with such an attacking lineup, though.
     
  17. Livvy

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    well, that could have been easily red for Bartra..
     
  18. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    It's a risk.
     
  19. Rattlesnake888

    Rattlesnake888 Well-Known Member

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    It's been a bad few weeks for Barack!
     
  20. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    Tuchel vs. Ancelotti 1:0
     
  21. norwegian wood

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    A new league leader in the Bundesliga! Fancy that.

    Would be great if we could have a title race this season. Bayern should be in a comfortable position by March/April though.
     
  22. Nikola

    Nikola Optimist with a bit of experience. Admin

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    If I remember well, Hoffenheim started their Bundesliga career in a manner not too dissimilar to Leipzig's. It was good for league that Dortmund won last night (was hoping Atletico would do the same to Real), though they rode their luck on a few occasions and missed two great chances. Bayern have a ridiculously good squad, though, so I expect them to win the title again, unfortunately.
     
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  23. norwegian wood

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    Yeah, agree; Bayern's squad will see them through. I don't mind them winning the title - not at all - but it would be cool if there could at least be some excitement through the winter and into the final weeks of the season. That hasn't been the case the last few years, even though Dortmund had a superb season last season.
     
  24. Nikola

    Nikola Optimist with a bit of experience. Admin

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    Don't get me wrong, I have massive respect for Bayern as a club (especially now that Ancelotti is there) but I hate their well-known method of buying rivals' best players. That's why I always support whoever is the closest to them in the title race, though, like majority of football fans out there, I have a soft spot for Dortmund (whose majority of players, in my opinion, lack the guidance and experience of Bayern's title winners and that's why I believe they will ultimately fall short in the title race).
     
  25. Cologne-Liverpool

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    As much as I dislike Bayern and while it's generally nice to have a contender - this despicable Red Bull club winning the league would be far worse, for many reasons. So no, personally not happy with this at all.
    Don't believe they'll make it though, either - in the end I would be suprised if they make it to CL or even EL - but we'll see.
     
  26. inaiq

    inaiq "Some people feel the rain others just get wet"

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    I see you like Red Bull a lot :tongue:
     
  27. Cologne-Liverpool

    Cologne-Liverpool Well-Known Member

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    I just think that they stand for everything that's wrong in football and modern society in general...that's all...other than that...;-)
     
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  28. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

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    Now Bundesliga knows how it feels, English football faced the same thing since 2004 with Chelsea and 5-6 years later, with Man City.
     
  29. Cologne-Liverpool

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    I know what you mean, but this is different and worse for a number of reasons. And call me a football romantic, I'm strongly in favour of the 50+1 system and Red Bull is completely f****ing that system over.
     
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  30. inaiq

    inaiq "Some people feel the rain others just get wet"

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    Damn socialists oops romantics ;-)
     
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