Championship 2016/17

Discussion in 'Pitchside - Football Forum' started by Zoran, Aug 5, 2016.

  1. redfanman

    redfanman TIA Regular Valued Member

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  2. Anfield rd Dreamer

    Anfield rd Dreamer Well-Known Member

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    Why are liverpool fans so scared of having 3 choices at the keeper position? Not meaning to pick on just you but if we've got a situation next season with us hoping Mignolet continues this form (personally don't see it lasting forever) and Ward and Karius competing to be second choice and future first choice I have no problem with that. You need three goalkeepers for Europe. Until Manninger this season we haven't really had 3 since Doni (but always used to) and probably have to go back that far or further to last time we had a decent back up or two. Be nice entering a season knowing we have, at least for the short term, got that position covered well.
     
  3. The Elusive 19th

    The Elusive 19th TIA Youth Team

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    Why not keep Manninger here with Mignolet and Karius and allow Ward to develop further in the PL....
     
  4. Anfield rd Dreamer

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    Because Ward is better than Manninger and could well develop under Klopp to be as good or better than Mignolet is at the moment. Mignolet who may not keep his current good form and revert to previous form. Manninger is also pretty sure to retire if not this summer then still sooner rather than later. Why limit ourselves to only two real keeper choices? Why have liverpool fans started to accept this as reality? We always used to have three I don't know when 2 became the norm for us as it's not for anyone else near the top.
     
  5. Anfield rd Dreamer

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    Chelsea have a 34 year old 2nd choice who has been on the bench 6 times. City have a 21 year old who has been on the bench 7 times (and Joe Hart who played a game if you want to include him). Arsenal have a 24 year old 3rd choice that's played 5 games and been on the bench 8 other times. Spurs have a 22 year old that's been on the bench 10 times. United have two 20 year olds and a 24 year old who have between them played once and been on bench 6 times. I still remember last time we had three options Reina got sent off and then Doni got sent off and then Jones had to play for us. These guys are needed for when the shit hits the fan especially when competing in Europe.
     
  6. redfanman

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    Not afraid of having 3 choices. I'm just concerned that we have two young and potentially excellent keepers who may spend the season not playing. Otherwise I'm excited to have them here.
     
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  7. Anfield rd Dreamer

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    I'd say both are as developed as they'll get playing elsewhere. Unless a team abroad that plays and competes in Europe are willing to take them on loan I guess. Apart from that they've played regular first choice keeper at high enough level of competition to get where they need to be. Now it's just about proving themselves in training and cup games and seizing any opportunities that come their way (Mignolet losing form/getting suspended/injured). That's what's needed next in their development, to see if they can adapt to playing at this level. No point loaning them out to teams below this level as it won't teach them anything new. I'd say competing for automatic promotion and in the playoffs is more of a baptism of fire than just existing in mid table Prem or even competing in the relegation battle. Learning how to play for a team under the cosh for 80 minutes of nearly every game doesn't teach a keeper how to compete in a team that's challenging for something and putting teams under the cosh for 80 minutes of most games. We saw that with Mignolet. Just my opinion but I'd see Ward as more ready for us than say Pickford who has never had to stand there keeping his concentration levels up with nothing to do for the majority of a match.
     
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  8. El Dorado

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    Well done, Rafa. Newcastle bounce back up in style with a world class manager.
     

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