Discussion in 'Pitchside - Football Forum' started by Ataturk, Sep 23, 2012.
Good luck with that...
Well, unlike Woody, he jas only played for england youth teams so far.
There is still hope.
Coleman was taking the piss anyway to screw england. There is no way Woodburn is ready for the welsh senior side.
Ross Barkley (who also could have played for nigeria) has a lot of work lying ahad of him, to keep lookman and davies in line.
Poor Adam Lallana!
First his big miss vs city, now he only hit the post against germany.
Hard to believe and it's just a friendly, but even the guy on german TV admits that the first half has belonged to england so far.
Which can only mean a sucker-punch from prinz poldi vs hart is imminent.
Kane would have buried that chance blindfolded.
One thing which spoiled it at the beginning, some of the England fans were embarrassing and disgraceful by their singing inappropriately and booing the Germany's national anthem. Its stupid and shameful. No wonder, nobody likes us. Absolutely disgusting.
That behaviour isn't that special I believe.
I also think England is as important as you might believe.
Nobody gives a damn about them anymore outside of the UK.
That might be even worse than being unpoular.
I'm only talking about football here.
If you are referring to politics and brexit: yes, that's true. Most other EU countries didn't like england for that.
Its ignorance whilst expecting silence during their own anthem,it happens a lot nowadays even in rugby union,daft twats.
I am also talking about football. I am so glad then, we deserve to be seen as minnows in world football now. I just feel there should be some footballing etiquette before the games. We fans shouldn't then complain at the Euros and World Cup, when we get targeted. Irish, Scottish and Welsh fans behave so well and are universally liked by other country's fans except us, I am so fed up of the minority cause problems for the majority of decent fans.
How nice for Lukas in his final match. What a lovely goal!
Best thing about the game that. Viva Colonia! Other than that don't care.
Sry, dont want you to think that germany isnt serious about this game or england as opponent, but this game is all about "Prinz Poldi"....
So we are losing a testimonial.
What a goal to retire on though,wicked from any angle.
Classic Podolski. All heart and instinct, tactically useless - but always had one hell of a shot on goal...
It doesn't matter what the match is all about. THIS IS THE ENGLAND DISCUSSION THREAD!
(Blows big raspberry!).
Unfortunately it was the only bright moment Germany could cobble together tonight (the runup to the goal was nicely played as well). Otherwise I wanted to poke my eyes out just to make the watch interesting.
England played pretty well but lacked end product. Germany had a very poor match. Pure robbery. Why did I watch this?
Friendlys... I should have known better
I thought it was an interesting game that opens some discussions.
Firstly were Germany under par or did England actually play quite well from certain areas?
Lots of stuff to go over tactically and technically.
Examples like why play 5221 or what ever;
with only one defender to play the ball out (Cahill)?
with 2 fullbacks when wing backs would be better?
with 2 CBs in central midfield?
Then there's selections like:
Hart and Smalling through the middle (hardly confidence boosting stuff)? Hart was staying on his line so why not play Heaton?
it's alright giving players like Livermoore a go but why not encourage them to play forward passes and when you bring them off replace them with something better than Ward-Prowse?
Personally I found Delle-Alli, Bertrand, Livermoore and Smalling frustrating mainly because they didn't do anything to move the ball up field.
How could Delle-Alli just shoot straight at the keeper.
I thought Lallana was good until he hit his shot with his left when it was for his right foot. I knew when he went off our marking would be found out.
Anyway it was a nice testimonial for the goal scorer, nice strike!
If that was Germany's below average display, heaven help England and the rest of the football nations! You guys were better in the 2nd half, your finishing is superb and passing is amazing. Your team is still far ahead technically and tactically. In some credit to England, there is some glimmer of hope, Delli Ali and our Lallana were really good.
I thought England's best player was Cahill. Without him we would never have got the ball out of defense.
Lallana did well except for his shot.
Oh yes, he was very good and he makes a good Captain too. I think Southgate was alright tonight. He will learn from the mistakes of his predecessors.
First half Germany played under par. Second half a little bit better. I didn't expect a class game, considering it was a friendly and the fielded line up.
Although, there are no friendlies between Germany and England.
I think a draw would have been a justified result.
Furthermore I think England is on a good way to improve. I rate Southgate really high. He is the right Manager for the Three Lions. In any case better than "Fat Sam" imo.
I hope for England he gets the necessary support and patience.
I find it hilarious that so many fans in different places feel the need to gleefully point out that england lost to a germany B team.
As if this was Englands strongest starting XI.
And ignoring that southgate is still new in this job and obviously experimenting.
Like @Eintrachtfan I really rate Southgate now, after his first few games.
And because he obviously understands that many things have to change and the status quo is getting them nowhere.
I think some of that criticism is a bit off.
I think the 3 CB approach is a worthy experiment, especially for a Southgate managed side seeing as he has experience playing in it.
Once we deicde to set up that way, what is wrong with Walker and Bertrand as wing backs. To me they make perfect sense.
I'm pretty sure Bertrand was just a proxy for Rose, who'll be back in the team when fit. And then there is Shaw who should be pushing again soon.
I still believe Clyne is the better RB but I have to admit that Walker and Rose get a lot of praise on the german channel where I watch the PL, from german commentators.
Not from me, more observations to open the interesting discussion I was referring to.
Thanks for elaborating.
It's not really a very well known system to English players though is it. As I said only Cahill played the ball out which made it look very awkward. Also the whole thing appeared to fall apart once Lallana went off which begs the question have England got the players for this?
What are the potential strengths and weaknesses of using this approach?
From that match Bertrand didn't show anything down the wing in an attacking sense. He was very frustrating and wasteful from what I saw and lacked pace for a wing back.
I like Walker a lot but he looked very tentative most of the time.
Neither did what a wing back should so looked decidedly like fullbacks which is what they do for their clubs.
As of my normal cynical self I don't think this is the way forward. I believe England need to build a platform that can increase their confidence. To do this I would propose doing what international teams do and that's to play a false tempo (ie be disruptive). For me this points toward a 4141 formation with specialists in each position.
well said.. draw would have been a fair result, but you can't take anything away from the Podolski strike, that thing was still accelerating when it hit the back of the net
Which is surely why it's worth trying in a friendly.
I was watching on a really bad stream so will take your word that neither had a good game, but even if that is true that is not an argument against picking them in the role in the first place.
Walker has played wing back numerous times for Spurs, and even when in a back 4 plays in a very attacking way that is easily transferable to wing back. Bertrand has played it for Saints, albeit fewer times and I don't think this season. But he has all the traits having often been played further forward on the left earlier in his career. But I think the more relevant question, is if not these two then who? Walker's case over Clyne is strengthened with the 3CBs both due to his familiarity with it and his better attacking chops. Rose would likely ordinarily get the nod on the other side, but isnt available. With Shaw bareling playing this season and not currently in the team/squad for Utd he was never going to get selected over someone having as a good a season as Bertrand. And I think he has played WB less often than Bertrand has.
I agree it probably isnt the way forward as a default, but for a variety of reasons it is a useful approach to try and develop as an option. We have important players who are familiar with it and a manager who was a central element to his team using it.
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