Jürgen Klopp: 2016-17

Discussion in 'The Albert - LFC Talk' started by El Dorado, Jul 28, 2016.

  1. Semmy

    Semmy walk on...walk...on...

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    Confed cup:
    Chicharito - MEX
    Carvalho - POR
    Schürrle - GER
    Gnabry - GER (pace to burn........)
    Brandt - GER
    Meyer - GER
    Goretzka - GER (YES PLEASE!!)
    Sanchez - CHI (YES PLEASE!!)
    Medel - CHI

    Then, there's the u20 world cup....so much talent there.
     
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  2. StrongINTheAir

    StrongINTheAir The voice of reason

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    That's my take too. He may want VVD or someone like that, but when the price is in that range, as well as the demand, it is a drawn out process
     
  3. Chewbazza

    Chewbazza True Believer

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    It is all becoming bloody tiresome.

    Oh Milner, Wijnaldum and Mane aren't good enough so we'll have a shit season...

    Oh actually they're doing well but we'll never finish fourth....

    Oh we finished fourth but we're going to miss out on all our summer targets...

    I just don't get it.
     
  4. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    Whereas a native speaker would be able to come up with a least one alternative to Klopp's favourite English phrase, "on a good way", he seems to be blissfully unaware of what's causing this ingrained error, or a lot of other 'false friend' problems. In German he's fond of saying, "wir sind auf einem guten Weg", which would be equivalent to us saying, "We're well on track". He also avoids using the phrase 'everything's OK', or 'everything's clear' preferring 'all' as his translation of 'alles'. It's a bit annoying, knowing that five minutes would be all someone with knowledge of German would need to wise him up to this.
    I discussed this with a student who has a similar level to Jürgen and has recently taken over CEO duties at his company's UK subsidiary. He often makes references to Kloppo in the presentations he gives to the UK staff, so we did a comparison based on Klopp's pressers.

    I think my problem with Klopp as a student would be that he is so spontaneous and instinctive, this comparative approach would bore him. Worse still, we'd actually have to start talking about German grammar:think:
    Then we'd both be 'Stunned Bored men'. The Gairmens, the Gaaiirmens.

    My student suggested that he write to Jürgen, offering a couple of pointers German to German like. We might do it in the next lesson.
    Anything else anyone wants to add or offer Jürgen before we send it off?
     
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  5. The Elusive 19th

    The Elusive 19th TIA Youth Team

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  6. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    Would it help you if I wrote the whole thing again, but this time in Kloppish?
     
  7. geebo

    geebo Bekloppt ! (German for loopy)

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    excellent post. But to be fair, he hasnt spoken English that long, and its not his main job. And I think he is pretty good, and yet, he must have a 1 hour lesson o ce a week, and they MUST point out the "direct German" translations and offer an english alternative. If they dont then they are poor teachers .

    And for a few more weeks, I will enjoy what we have done, enjoy the success of the players and manager, and wait about 4 weeks before I jump on the Transfer - merry go round- shenanigans- circus- blind mans`bluff- in every believe there is a "lie"-lying-cheating-leak- false leak - double dealing - window.
     
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  8. Chewbazza

    Chewbazza True Believer

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    I genuinely find it odd that anyone has an issue with Klopp's english or would feel the need to write a letter to him about it.

    Personally I find him far more eloquent than half of the native uk managers in the premiership.
     
  9. The Elusive 19th

    The Elusive 19th TIA Youth Team

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    I bet 90% of people understand Klopp's better than Carra.
     
  10. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    Not got a problem with you doing your job. My job is helping busy people polish up their English. His 'false friend' mistakes are just something he could easily fine-tune, and I noticed that's where I could help him. Of course compared to other managers, he's a fantastically fluent ommunicator. I'm not interested in whether they improve or not, though.
     
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  11. geebo

    geebo Bekloppt ! (German for loopy)

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    Managers with a worse command of the English language than Klopp (including Rodgers !!!)
     
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  12. Scott Jones

    Scott Jones Well-Known Member

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    He has a way of sounding like he's actually trying to answer questions rather than picking up words of deflection and denial,very to the point and slightly on the edge of sarcasm and anger and it's hypnotic.love it.
     
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  13. Eintrachtfan

    Eintrachtfan The convinced one

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    If Klopp would have a job in Austria he wouldn't have any problems with the language. As a not native English speaker there may be moments which lead to smiling.
    Nobody knows that better than me.
    In Germany it's the same. Everyone here knows the fun we had with Trappatoni at Bayern.
    Thank god Klopp isn't payed for speaking English at LFC though his English is way better than mine
     
  14. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    The strangest thing about Wenger's English is that at the beginning his accent was less 'Parisienne' than it is now. Many people from the Alsace region grow up with German as an unofficial second language. This element in his accent has largely disappeared.
    My guess is that the biggest influence on his English pronunciation have been the French players, not the Arsenal fans, at least I hope so for his sake.
     
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  15. geebo

    geebo Bekloppt ! (German for loopy)

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    come on !! he`S funny too ....
     
  16. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    Yes geebo it has not not made fun watching. I have not seen all before. He is on a good way.;-)
    If Henning Wehn leaves Britain, he can be the new German Ambassador of comedy.lol
     
  17. Livvy

    Livvy Well-Known Member

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    come on , don`t be that "snobby" :yawn:

    it`s going to be a long long summer :rolleyes:
     
  18. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    Do I take it that no-one wants me to ghost write that letter from my German student to Jürgen then?
     
  19. Livvy

    Livvy Well-Known Member

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    well, take it as you want. I don`t think it`s funny but maybe.... it´s only because I can`t understand your british humor ;-)
     
  20. Cologne-Liverpool

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    Better be in fricking flawless German.
     
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  21. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    Now, now. I only wanted to help. Perhaps you could help with a few corrections, I thought Kloppo might enjoy reading it in Swabian dialect?;-):-)
     
  22. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    No. It's not really funny at all. It's actually my life's work I brought up here. You can see that Kloppo makes fun of his own English, but that he also wished it was better. He's typical of many Germans in taking pride in striving for perfection. Why shouldn't he cut out a few simple mistakes? Are you denying him the feeling of being more comfortable and confident in press conferences and interviews? That seems like strange inverted snobbery to me, tbh.
     
  23. Prolix

    Prolix Well-Known Member

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    Not to drift too much further from the topic, but it's fascinating to me that people have (slight) issues with Klopp's English. I'm a native English speaker, but I grew up in a single-parent household where my father's first language was German (English only being his third language). I've long been under the impression that I picked up some strange syntactic quirks from him, somewhat confirmed for me when I started learning (rudimentary) German and the structure made a lot of intuitive sense to me.

    Anyway, my long and uninteresting point is that I can't actually "hear" anything "off" about Klopp's English (much like how I cannot hear my father's accent, though I am told it is strong).
     
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  24. Livvy

    Livvy Well-Known Member

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    Remember .... Klopp is "the normal one" and not "the perfect one" ;-) and I really dont want to talk about this nonsense of "typical germans" anymore.
     
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  25. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    I didn't find it uninteresting at all. My two sons are in the same position as you are but in reverse, and it's going to be really interesting to me in the future whether their version of English in their heads leads to a different perception of accents etc than in my case. Thanks for your insight. We need professional and objective (if that's possible) language training to make all these biases we have unimportant. I can hope at least, that it makes a difference if it's someone like me listening or not. That's twenty five years of experience sounding very arrogant.
     
  26. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    Like you, I would also hate to be defined by a crude stereotype like for example, 'your British humour' or 'snobby', so please be careful about glasshouses and the stones you throw.
     
  27. Ʒan

    Ʒan Well-Known Member

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    I just don't understand why Eddie is so obsessed with Makati and why he spends so much time bullying him. I am pretty sure he negatively replies to every single post of Makati's.

    It might have been funny at first but its now bordering on pathetic.
     
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  28. Scott Jones

    Scott Jones Well-Known Member

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    Makati can defend himself and his post's,careful with your accusations of bullying.:-)
     
  29. Kopstar

    Kopstar ★★★★★ Valued Member

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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  30. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    I'm aware of all these points in the way he manages himself, entertains the audience and runs the discourse; he's a master of timing too, which is no small feat in a language with some significant differences in how sentences are put together rhythmically.

    I know his specific problems with word choice too well, unfortunately, not to feel he could do better. And if everyone keeps telling him his English is brilliant, they'll be doing him a disservice out of misplaced good intentions.
     

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