Jürgen Klopp: 2016-17

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  1. SirBillShankly

    SirBillShankly Joe and Holly's dad

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    Wind your neck in Jonesy :J
     
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  2. Scott Jones

    Scott Jones Well-Known Member

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    You want some bill,:tongue:
     
  3. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    As Klopp's grand-kids might say: 'Alter, Ihr seid so aggro!'lol
     
  4. Chewbazza

    Chewbazza True Believer

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    I can't even tell if you're being serious anymore.
     
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  5. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    If I wasn't, you'd know! Can you follow me at all? I get to know 40-50 new English learners every year, about ten of whom might have lived in an English-speaking country in the past. What do they all regret about their interaction with native speakers and all wish they could have changed? Well meaning natives who didn't feel they should correct the Germans. They come back to Germany more insecure than they left it, because they were left in the dark by overpolite 'friendly' people. Please don't neglect your responsibility as authority figures to foreign speakers.
    Mind you, there'll be less work for me here, if you do your 'job' over there!
     
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  6. Chewbazza

    Chewbazza True Believer

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    No I don't follow you at all. I've seen nothing in Klopp's interviews to suggest he can't get his message across or make himself understood, or that a lack of vocabulary does anything to diminish his ability to enjoy life in Liverpool or to be able to manage a football team.
     
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  7. Scott Jones

    Scott Jones Well-Known Member

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    Not sure he can get to a point where he speaks English without sounding like he's from Germany,,i'm sure English people speaking German sound like they are English speaking German,fuck sake.:eh?:
     
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  8. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    Fine. But imagine you're in Jürgen's shoes. What do you do? Give up trying to improve because you can get by? What sort of mentality do you expect from your players and staff if that's your attitude? I want him to be as good as Molby and Martinez when he leaves Liverpool with twice as many winner's medals as they have together.
     
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  9. Chewbazza

    Chewbazza True Believer

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    Who said he's giving up? If he wants to improve his english then that's great, I just don't see the need for anyone to criticise him and send him a letter. He speaks just fine in interviews; knowledgeably, honestly and entertainingly. I don't think he'll run back to germany feeling insecure because he doesn't know all the possible terms for inclement weather.
     
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  10. treboeth

    treboeth Well-Known Member

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    Jurgen knows when his "Germanisms" are not entirely grammatically correct, But as an LFC fan, from the start of his tenure you just knew where he was coming from.
    I invite any of our German members to try and teach me to communicate in their language as well as he does in ours lol.
    And I give them fair warning I am oldish and Welsh :tongue:
     
  11. redaderry

    redaderry Well-Known Member

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    I find Klopp's English very easy to understand and his gramatical foibles add to his persona actually making it all the more interesting. He's a master of broken English:-)
    I don't doubt your intentions Jimmy but sometimes things are ok the way they are even they aren't technically correct.
     
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  12. Bonus

    Bonus TIA New Signing

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    2 cups finals and a 4th place finish, in his time here so far,

    if this is where he can take us with limited English/poor pronunciation/incorrect grammar or whatever (deleted where appropriate)

    imagine what where he will take us when his English is perfect!
     
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  13. Cologne-Liverpool

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    I'm starting to feel insecure now...misery accomplished, thanks Jimmy, already a huge fan of your methods :well done:
     
  14. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    Trust me it's great to hear him speaking English at a level of fluency
    He wouldn't take it as criticism. Trust me. Not for one second would he have that attitude. What I sense again and again from talking to my students is that the British didn't help them improve, they didn't have enough respect for me, themselves or their language in the end to stop me and tell me what I should be saying. I don't mean when you don't understand each other. I mean when the foreigner has curiosity about other ways of saying the same thing more elegantly.

    Sorry, your pragmatic approach to what a language is all about tends to beat any aesthetic argument in Britain. But that's a British mental block, not universal across Europe.
     
  15. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    Oh joy! My colleagues in Cologne can pick up the pieces, I'll get you a good deal.
     
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  16. Scott Jones

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    The British people's behaviour and your accusation of lack of respect leads me to believe these Germans you know lived here lived in Manchester obviously,everywhere else the British are fucking awesome.:well done:
     
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  17. Cologne-Liverpool

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    Are you saying there are more just like you? Even in my neighbourhood? :shocked:
     
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  18. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    No. I lived in Manchester before I moved to Germany. Let's get it right:J.Must have affected me more than I thought.
     
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  19. treboeth

    treboeth Well-Known Member

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    A Manc and a German :shocked:

    At least Klopps only a German lol
     
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  20. Chewbazza

    Chewbazza True Believer

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    Klopp is astute and intelligent enough to ask for help if he wants it. He doesn't and the British don't need to patronised by you no matter how 'good' your intentions are. But frankly you're just coming off as arrogant and as said earlier, snobbish.
     
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  21. Scott Jones

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    That's fucked up, i'm sorry to hear that.:-)
     
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  22. treboeth

    treboeth Well-Known Member

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    Bit offensive Scott :unhappy:

    The Germans ain`t that bad :tongue:
     
  23. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    In response to Chewbazza's post:


    That's not so good. I've not been willing to see your point of view. It's the only time so far when that's been the case on this forum. Obviously, my intentions can only be good if you see there's a problem to solve in the first place. It was arrogant of me to think my professional experience would make my words carry more weight. I'm not proud of rubbishing the social behaviour of my fellow Brits. I'm sure Jürgen's got everything under control. The guy's got a great chance of making us proud again.
     
  24. Kopstar

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    Will someone tell me when it starts to get weird around here?

    Only I sometimes find it hard to tell...

    ...we're already there aren't we?

    Guys??
     
  25. treboeth

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    Wait until the season ends and we start getting crazy about who we want to buy and who we have missed out on lol

    If Klopp could speak like proper English like wot us do, we have no worries Bruv init :think:
     
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  26. Jimmyscase

    Jimmyscase DoctorJimmy: knee-high flying tackle specialist

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    It was 32 ° in the shade yesterday and my brain was boiling, on top of everything else that's sending me crazy at the mo (Assuming that >50% of the craziness came from my corner). Though I did accept I went too far yesterday already.
     
  27. RedLar

    RedLar Well-Known Member

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    Alrightttt!!!!!

    No offence to me mam and dad like, but not sure Jurgens idea of polishing up his English is to have a distinctive scouse slur in his vocal repertoire. If anything Molby sounded a bit funny with his danescsouse. Like, was he doing a Joey Barton French job on us, or what? :-)

    Agree with people that Klopp sounds just fine as he is, and it adds to his persona. He's always going to be German. Certainly if compared to someone like Benitez who, I thought, really struggled to intone his feelings through our language.

    I'll take all the medals and cups like, but the bunderscouse is not necessary :-)
     
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  28. RedLar

    RedLar Well-Known Member

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    Whatever you do........ Don't mention the war.... :-)
     
  29. RedLar

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    I am a scouser, married and 4 kids, living abroad. I still have an accent, though modest. My wife and kids can't detect it, or think nothing of it, but those outside my immediate family ask where I am from. I have literally been asked if I was German.
     
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  30. The Elusive 19th

    The Elusive 19th TIA Youth Team

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    Sure. Which one? The first or the second?
     

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