Loris Karius (GK) FSV Mainz 05

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  1. fernandowho

    fernandowho TIA New Signing

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    We defo need an upgrade on migs, his playing out from the back often puts us under immediate pressure by picking the wrong pass. Ok his shot stopping is pretty good but anything in the air usually ends in disaster or nearly. All the top sides have quality keepers and we need the same. Not seen anything on this guy Karius so cannot comment, i have 100% faith in all Klopps signings.
     
  2. RedSeven

    RedSeven On the one road Valued Member

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    If he comes in and improves us it will be seen as a great bit of business but if he doesn't he'll be on a high wage and tough to shift,it's the gamble you take with freebies.All we can do is wait and see.
     
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  3. rab

    rab Well-Known Member

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    Not going to pretend I've watched loads of the lad in Bundesliga games but have seen one and a lot of the old YouTube stuff. Three things jump out at me from this very limited time watching him.

    1. Seems to parry a lot of stuff back into dangerous areas rather than out wide of his goal. Positive is he is at least making the initial stop but appeared to put the ball back into dangerous areas than clear away
    2. Likes to release the ball quickly either with feet or out of hand, something the more ponderous Mignolet is infuriating with
    3. He plays on the front foot. Out quickly to anything over the top or to close players down and not afraid to come out his box. His default starting position is a couple yards further forward than Mignolet which helps to shrink the pitch a little when we lose possession

    As a I said not seen a huge amount of the guy and at 22 he's not going to be the finished article but he's definitiely not coming in as a back up keeper and I suspect he'll be our number one by Christmas if his season starts a little late due to the Olympics.

    Question is will Achterberg ruin yet another decent keeper or is this the one that will actually get better during his time with us?
     
  4. 104TOSH

    104TOSH mystic, clown and philosopher

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    Just come across this YT video which claims we've signed him ! According to the presenter he's the third best keeper in the German league.


    LORIS KARIUS WELCOME TO LIVERPOOL! - BIG TRANSFER! - ZIELINSKI TO JOIN TOO!


    I always wait for the club to announce signings, but its strange how I came across this today.

     
  5. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    Achterberg should develop him not ruin like he did with Bogdan, Mignolet and Ward.

    :-(
     
  6. OLDIE

    OLDIE TIA New Signing

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    On what basis do you make that scandalous comment ?

    Klopp rates Achterberg very highly. Bogdan was shite at Bolton but was a free signing, Mignolet is nervous and Ward is an excellent prospect.....A future no 1.
     
  7. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    On the basis of the quoted words from @rab

    "Question is will Achterberg ruin yet another decent keeper"
     
  8. mattyhurst

    mattyhurst TIA Regular

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    Don't lay the blame of Bogdan at John's door he was crap long before he arrived still reckon they went that route as they wanted to spend big on Benteke
     
  9. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    Why LFC bough him then?
     
  10. mattyhurst

    mattyhurst TIA Regular

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    One of life's great mysteries he was Bolton's reserve keeper for most of that season like most of our signings in the last few years have a good game against us and we would sign them
     
  11. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    Ok, understand.
     
  12. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    Mainz looking at Karius replacements amid Liverpool transfer interest

    FussballTransfers report that Mainz already have three replacements in mind if Karius' release clause is met by Liverpool, indicating that privately there may be an acceptance they will lose the talented shot stopper.

    Former Manchester United trainee Ron Robert Zieler of Hannover and Timon Wellenreuther of Schalke are both on their radar, along with Hoffenheim's Marko Maric.

    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/05/1...ius-replacements-amid-liverpool-transfer-int/
     
  13. SoftGerman

    SoftGerman Well-Known Member

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    They did not buy him - he was on a free.
    Achterberg might be not good, but blaming him for everything what goes wrong with our keepers is silly. Mignolet and Bogdan wouldn't be top keepers with another GK coach either, in my opinion.
    Still hope Achterberg will be replaced.
     
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  14. SoftGerman

    SoftGerman Well-Known Member

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    Kicker says, transfer will likely be announced next week.
    Karius and LFC agreed on the terms, LFC yet to contact Mainz, but as they just have to "activate" the release clause, the don't have to talk to them to make it a done deal.
     
  15. Cologne-Liverpool

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    This would be great news, I needed that after tonight. Quality signing for sure and hopefully one less position to worry about next season.
     
  16. rab

    rab Well-Known Member

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    'Should' being the operative word in that sentence. He should have developed Mignolet but he's gone backwards since he arrived here, much like every other keeper since Achterberg came in.

    No saying he's solely to blame, however, every keeper we've had has gone backwards under his stewardship. Achterbergs arrival coincided with the decline in Reina's form, Mignolet isn't as good now as he was at Sunderland when we bought him. Bogdan is crap and always has been so no blame there and same could be said for Brad Jones I guess but our keepers don't seem to improve while they are here. The exception to that rule is Ward who has improved in his time away from the club although the first team experience he's got probably helped that.

    Keepers have different relationships to coaches than outfield players as they spend so much time working in a very small group very closely. I remember reading how disappointed he was when the previous GK coach left (Spanish bloke, can't remember his name). I read the book about Robert Enke, the German keeper who unfortunately took his own life and he talked about those close relationships with GK coaches and how when he moved to Barca his performances dropped as he didn't like the incumbent coach. You look at Chelsea and Cech has nothing but glowing praise for the guy there but Courtois is threatening to leave if he stays on as coach under Conte as he doesn't like his methods.

    I just wonder whether all this chopping and changing of keepers isn't really addressing a fundamental underlying issue as to why we can't find a solid number one.
     
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  17. mattyhurst

    mattyhurst TIA Regular

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    He was Tranmeres goalkeeping coach it just feels like a lazy appointment and with all the changes this one seems out of kilter
     
  18. Dortmund fan

    Dortmund fan It's fishing time!

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    Well, Enke is a special story. :-(
     
  19. OLDIE

    OLDIE TIA New Signing

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    You responded naming 3 keepers, @rab merely said another keeper, which could mean only 1.

    By naming the 3 keepers at the club you are clearly saying that Achterberg is no good at his job.
    To base your opinion upon that singular quote, which does not say what you think it says, it quite frankly ridiculous
     
  20. rab

    rab Well-Known Member

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    In fairness to @dortmund-fan I did say "yet another keeper" meaning Achterberg hasn't improved any of the keepers we've had in his time here. Reina declined after his arrival, Mignolet has gone downhill since he arrived, Bogdan and Jones were both pretty bad to begin with but the point is you don't see any improvements or key issues being addressed and progress made.
     
  21. redfanman

    redfanman TIA Regular Valued Member

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    We struggled to improve keepers well before Achterburg arrived, so i think it a little unfair he gets all the stick - especially given how poor people think Mignolet, Bogdan and Jones are. Only Reina has been relatively consistent for a significant period, and even he had probably reached a point of decline when Achterburg had arrived. Dudek, Westerveld, Friedel all had their faults.
     
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  23. Vidocq

    Vidocq from doubter to believer

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  24. MikeOscar

    MikeOscar Klopp Klopp

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    It would be pretty shocking if this one didn't happen at this stage. Of all our reported transfers these past few days, Karius feels by far the most concrete and certain to happen. Honestly he sounds like a bargain for a mere 4.7m pounds. Hopefully we will use that to spend more on other areas of the pitch.
     
  25. Kanonkop

    Kanonkop Well-Known Member

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    Good analysis of Karius from a forme rprofessional keeper:

    https://www.umaxit.com/index.php/co...is-an-upgrade-on-simon-mignolet-for-liverpool

    Expert’s View: Why Loris Karius Is An Upgrade on Simon Mignolet For Liverpool
    David Preece | May 17, 2016 | 0 Comments

    Loris Karius has been a long-standing target of Jurgen Klopp’s and despite the assurance given to Simon Mignolet in the form of a new five-year deal, his arrival will give the Liverpool No. 1 serious cause for concern about his future at the club. To Mignolet’s credit, he has responded well since signing his contract and has played his part in Liverpool’s Europa League success, but it could be said what he didn’t need was to have the dark cloud of stiff opposition for his place hanging over him the day before a game which could be the club’s gateway to the Champions League. Ill-timed and possibly unsettling at a crucial time, not just in the season but in the club’s history.

    Prematurely recalled from an impressive loan spell at Aberdeen, Danny Ward is developing into a confident ‘keeper, proving already that he is more than capable of coping at Premier League level. His next step up in his progression is likely to be another loan deal, but this time at Championship level, to be given a season to gain more experience, rather than risk stunting his development by leaving him a mere spectator from the bench. Huddersfield Town and David Wagner may accommodate him and Klopp’s wishes there.

    Providing Mignolet stays, Liverpool will have two genuine competitors for the No. 1 spot. Time will tell whether Klopp sees Karius as a replacement or a competitor but if it is to be the former, what is it in Karius that Klopp sees as an upgrade? Well, there have been two main areas of concern with regards to Mignolet’s play: his ability with the ball at his feet and dealing with crosses. Let’s begin with the first of those.

    It’s clear that Karius is more comfortable in possession of the ball. His short to mid-range passing is excellent. He has a calmness when picking passes under pressure, either short to central defenders and midfielders coming deep to receive the ball or with 30-40 yard passes out to full-backs over the head of opposition players.

    Over longer distances his striking isn’t so clean, especially from first-time hit back passes. Karius tends to cut under the ball, which gives the kick plenty of height but not a great deal of distance, barely landing into the opponents half. Not such a huge problem on the whole, but if a team presses him and his colleagues aggressively, these kinds of kicks will tend to come straight back and increase the pressure on you.

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    The second question mark over Mignolet—his ability to deal with crosses—stems from his conservatively deep position he takes up as the ball is about to come into the box, which often gives himself too much to do in situations when a yard further forward could make so much difference. In this respect, Karius is similar, almost in his six yard box as long balls are played forward or on his line when the ball is in wide areas, but there is a marked difference between the two ‘keepers. Karius’s speed and aggressiveness makes up for his deep positions and often makes good early decisions when coming, be it to clear with his fist and fists or claiming with both hands.

    This extra-forceful assertiveness may give him the edge over Mignolet, but because of Klopp’s heavy emphasis on pressing higher up the pitch, it will mean an adjustment in the young German’s starting points and his positions will have to be much more positive—especially when up against teams taking a more direct approach such as the likes of Leicester and West Bromwich Albion.

    As a shot-stopper, Karius has a strong, forward balance which makes him difficult to beat from an angle. As simplistic as it may seem, this balance gives him good coverage, keeping him square-on to his opponent, meaning he gets himself in way of the ball. There are times when he gets a little too keen in one-on-one situations and comes too far down the line to the striker when there is no pressure on the ball from a defender, but generally he is strong in these duels. If there is one slight chink in his technical armour, it’s his overly wide stance.

    As shots are hit, he jumps into his set position and spreads his legs wider than necessary. This has a positive and negative effect. Any low shots close to him make this stance is favourable for blocking the ball with his feet or for comfortable mid-height shots, but when the ball is low in the bottom corners it makes it difficult to get in enough steps in to get across to the ball. What generally happens is he will end up diving earlier than necessary and having to arc his dive over his hip like a rainbow, rather than get an extra one of two steps across and down quicker to the ball. What also occurs due to this exaggerated stance is that simple shots come away from him or the saves look far more difficult than they should be and the ball gets pushed into dangerous areas.

    Looking back at him as a 17-year-old, you can see his stance was very narrow and that is something he has clearly over-corrected that, but at 22 that, and his starting positions, are something that can be worked on and developed over a short space of time. Those apart, he has developed from a rangy, stiff teenager into a more powerful, aggressive and agile keeper and is very much in line with the style of modern goalkeepers Germany are producing.
     
  26. lfc.8

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    It's only a bargain if he's a good keeper or at least turns into one. Not suggesting he's not by the way as I haven't seen him play.
     
  27. Steve_LFC

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    I am quite content with this buy... There really shouldn't be much debate about it unless somebody prefers to spend £25m on a Butland or £30m+ on a supposedly world class GK who may not come to us especially with no CL.

    Keeping Migs is smart as it may take Karius maybe half the seasonto settle and maybe one full season to take the no#1 spot.
    Then having Migs as a quality no#2 for cup games and in case of injury is good in my opinion. And it will also push Karius to maintain a high level of play.

    If Migs doesn't like it he could then be sold with 3yrs or so on contract. And we get decent value for him.

    Edit: btw when it comes to the other young german GKs. Its like pick one and go with it. They seem all to be around the same. But Karius is quite cheap and it is a hassle free acquisition.
     
  28. Dortmund fan

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    Liverpool to tie up deal for goalkeeper Karius next week

    Mainz goalkeeper Loris Karius will be at Melwood early next week to finalise a £4.7million switch to Liverpool, Goal can reveal.

    The 22-year-old, who has amassed 91 Bundesliga appearances, is expected to be confirmed as a new signing by Wednesday and will rival Simon Mignolet as the club’s number one.

    Adam Bogdan will be let go, while Danny Ward is expected to join Huddersfield on a season-long loan to gain greater experience.

    http://m.goal.com/s/en-gb/news/2892...o-tie-up-deal-for-goalkeeper-karius-next-week

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  29. mattyhurst

    mattyhurst TIA Regular

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    From that write up he sounds worth 4.7m at least.
     
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  30. ShadesOfRed

    ShadesOfRed TIA Youth Team

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    I thought we didn't sign players that Nikola opens threads for.lol
     
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