Lucas Leiva (CB/DM) Inter Milan (loan to permanent)

Discussion in 'Rumour Mill - Transfer Talk' started by StrongINTheAir, Dec 27, 2016.

  1. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

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    Taxes? The big reason is Real Madrid, not many would be able to turn them down. If they come in for Gerrard, he would have been gone too. They were clear that Gerrard cannot be bought, but Alonso is another story altogether since Rafa did try and trade him off for Barry.
     
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  2. Mascot88

    Mascot88 Yours for £1m. Need to make room for Dean Saunders Moderator

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    Oh look. More Lucas Hyperbole.

    There was a lot more to the reason why we slipped back following the second placed finish, including, but not limited to...

    - The Owners sucking money out of the team

    - a massive injury crisis (at one point Rafa had ten first teamers out)

    - Rafa himself being exhausted from battling the owners.

    - the collective ennui in the squad at finishing second, knowing that in all likelihood they wouldn't be able to build (see fist point).

    Lucas was never meant to be Xabi's replacement - that was supposed to be Aquilani. The Italian couldn't get fit, and so Lucas ended up covering, Rafa effectively playing two DMs.
     
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  3. Mascot88

    Mascot88 Yours for £1m. Need to make room for Dean Saunders Moderator

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    Tell you what though, I'm glad this discussion is finally giving us all chance to get what we've always thought of Lucas off our chest. I don't know how the forum has managed without us being able to lay it out like this.
     
  4. Zinedine Biscan

    Zinedine Biscan The patient one

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    He's served as a useful lightning rod down the years for much of the player-related moaning and scapegoating. The slightly saddening thing is that like or not it will transfer to another player when he goes. Current favourites being Can, Firmino or the slightly riskier Clyne.
     
  5. Elessar

    Elessar Well-Known Member

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    Rafa never tried to trade him off for Barry. That is yet another false story that some people end up using for some weird reason. Rafa wanted to keep Xabi and buy Barry. We had interest to pay on a loan against the club so our owners, not Rafa decided to cash in on Xabi. Rafa tried his very best to try to get Xabi to stay. Just like he did the year before when he convinced Xabi to stay when Juventus wanted him.

    This time Xabi decided to leave and a big reason was the lower taxes in spain. You will find the quote on the net and that it was Real Madrid this time. His dream club that wanted him.
     
  6. Elessar

    Elessar Well-Known Member

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    "Alonso is refusing to commit himself to Liverpool next season, with Real Madrid eager to to take him to the Bernabeu, and with Alonso estimating he is losing a third of his earnings he is edging closer to a return to Spain.

    "Of course we footballers think about it; we are not stupid, we keep an eye on it," Alonso said. "When you see your contract down by 30 per cent you cannot be happy. I cannot do anything – it must be Gordon Brown or David Cameron.

    " I think the weakness of the sterling is not helping the Premiership because for those competing and fighting against the European teams it is a big weak point. Hopefully over the next few months and years it will get back to what it was not so long ago."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...rns-that-tax-will-drive-top-players-away.html
     
  7. Fester

    Fester Well-Known Member Valued Member

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    He knew that throughout his time at Liverpool. So what changed?

    The Spain international's departure to Real Madrid in the summer of 2009 came as little surprise after he came close to leaving the previous year.

    That was prompted by Benítez's failed attempts to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa, which convinced Alonso he had to move on.

    "At the end of that [2008] season, speaking to Rafa, he told me the situation and that he wanted to sign other players and I could be one of the replacements," said the Real midfielder.

    "If an offer would have come, probably I would have been sold.

    That's when I told myself that the situation had changed - from being a very important player to being one of those who can be sold to get funds to sign other players.

    I accepted it because I am a professional but you have to realise what your situation is.


    At the end nothing happened because there was no agreement and we started my last season in Liverpool."

    At the time Benítez was eyeing a move for Barry Alonso had just endured his worst season at Anfield since joining from Real Sociedad in 2004.

    In March 2008 Alonso refused to travel to Inter Milan for the second leg of Liverpool's Champions League knock-out match after his girlfriend had gone into labour and relations between the two, reportedly, were never the same again.

    However, seemingly spurred on by events, the Spaniard's final campaign was one of his best. In Alonso's final season Liverpool ran Manchester United very close in the title race with a record points haul.

    "I didn't feel I had a point to prove. I knew what I was capable of giving to the team and what I had given for the four years," he told LFCTV.

    "In the last one the team was really good. We were very competitive and it was a disappointment not to win the league.

    "I was really happy with the team and my team-mates and felt that we could do great things.

    "I was happy on that side but within a club you have to see the big picture and another season would have been too much for me.

    "It was very difficult to take that decision [to leave] but it was probably for the best for me because if I had stayed another season it would have been uncomfortable for me."

    Also from the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...after-feeling-unwanted-by-Rafael-Benitez.html

    Hmmmm ........ what to believe eh ........?

    ....... perhaps the version he came out with once he was safely out of the Anfield door ....... ?


    Anyway, isn't this supposed to be the Lucas Leiva thread ...... ???
     
  8. football.tiger

    football.tiger TIA Squad Member

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    This is just what happens when ya break up with "friend", don't worry about it boys...
     
  9. KCollins

    KCollins Active Member

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    The treatment of Alonso (which Fester dug up) was the second biggest error of Rafa's reign (the first not starting with the 4-2-3-1 that got us to the CL final, allowing Kaka to run riot in the first half).

    Rafa's biggest weakness was he was not a people person. He was machine like, unemotional, no arm around the shoulder, no pat on the back...also lacking in praise (Gerrard; "maybe I'll get a well done from him one day").

    Under Klopp, Alonso would never have left. Under Klopp, we wouldn't have been stuck with Lucas in the first XI.

    The importance of Henderson is really apparent when hes missing, and is further magnified when its Lucas who comes in for him...the Chelsea game especially. Also the contrast between the last two games couldn't have been greater.

    Lucas is not even an adequate back up.
     
  10. KCollins

    KCollins Active Member

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    Don't see that happening as they are three quality players. They enhance us (could argue we can do better than Can (prefer Wijnaldum due to his quicker tempo), but still he's not a weakness).

    We could have done ALOT better than Lucas, that's the difference. With him on the field our midfield was invariably second best against any quality opposition. Again, it's why Stevie lamented the loss of Alonso more than any other player that left. Had we had an adequate replacement Stevie's attitude would have been very different. We were a top team with Alonso, and a bang average one with the pedestrian limited fella that came in for him.

    Keegan leaving was never lamented because he was replaced by Kenny, Alonso's leaving was lamented because he was replaced by one Lucas Leiva.
     
  11. Zinedine Biscan

    Zinedine Biscan The patient one

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    A lot of people are already on Can's back, and some on the others to varying extents. You see that changing when Lucas goes and people look for other reasons to be unhappy?
     
  12. Scott Jones

    Scott Jones Well-Known Member

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    The Can complaints are already happening so I'm not sure others agree with you there.
     
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  13. Scott Jones

    Scott Jones Well-Known Member

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    ZB,you is quick.lol
     
  14. KCollins

    KCollins Active Member

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    There are different levels of complaints/criticism. We are near the top of the league with Can being in and around the first team...so any complaints are not with as much merit. The fully justified complaints with Lucas were in the post Alonso years when we were pap. A midfield with Can in it has controlled far more games than any one Lucas was in.

    Lucas is also in a different category in terms of scapegoat. He's alongside Poulson...the only difference is Poulson was only here 5 minutes, Lucas, miraculously, a decade. The only comparable player that has been a weakness this season has been Karius, the fella who focuses more on flicking his hair than he does on the game.

    Everyone will have opinions about certain players being better (my preference for Wijnaldum in the team ahead of Can for example)...but then there are players that people cannot stand as they dramatically worsen the team. Lucas has always come into the latter category..just as the yard dog Fellaini does at United.
     
  15. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

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    Is he leaving? If he isn't can we just lock this up please?
     
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  16. Mascot88

    Mascot88 Yours for £1m. Need to make room for Dean Saunders Moderator

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    Good shout on Clyne. Steady 7/10 player, unflashy, and hasn't scored yet.

    Can has taken an early lead, and he has the advantage that at only 22 he has plenty of career left to give him unwarranted grief.


    As detailed in Brian Reades excellent book 'Epic Swindle', Rafa's target was Gareth Barry. When Parry sought approval for a deal he had lined up for Keane, Rafa checked it would not interfere with the deal for Barry, and when informed it wouldn't, he gave the go ahead for Parry to conclude the Keane deal. When Rafa then tried to sort the Barry transfer he was told the money wasn't available, as it had gone on contract renewals and Robbie Keane. Rafa was fuming, but still wanted to sign Barry, so instead looked to fund it with a sale from the squad, and in his opinion Alonso had underperformed for the last two seasons. He could only get a sniff from Inter for 12m, so decided to stick - but the damage to his relationship with Xabi (along with an earlier fall out from Alonso taking leave to attend the birth of his child) had been done.
     
  17. James H

    James H "I dunno, I just work here"

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    Did clyne not score against Villa?
     
  18. Mascot88

    Mascot88 Yours for £1m. Need to make room for Dean Saunders Moderator

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    Can't remember. Possibly he did. I mean even Kolo scored against villa.

    Edit: It appears that he did indeed score against Villa. I have no memory of this. Apparently he also got one against Bournemouth in the cup. I don't remember this either.
     
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  19. James H

    James H "I dunno, I just work here"

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    Both unmemorable goals, the Bournemouth goal was a rebound I think, the villa one was just a scrappy one.
    I like clyne good solid full back, not the best offensively but not as blunt at we would be led to believe either.
     
  20. Etipafilaf

    Etipafilaf "If we want, this can be a real special day."

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    Bournemouth was after a teixiera backheel that was a beauty, essentially a rebound into an open net... villa was a terrific run and terrific vision from Firmino, that he stuffed in after Divock arguably earned a penalty off Clyne's initial "miss".

    Has has not, in a Liverpool kit, scored anything like he scored against us or Arsenal in a Southampton kit. It's part of the reason I think Trent is going to take his job within 2 years.

    Anyway this is the Lucas thread, and while I like him and see his value as a influence off the pitch, I'm ready for him to move on, I just can't take his silly fouls around the box anymore. I mean, he does stuff that you'd expect an academy lad in his first or second first team action to do, not a vet.... hopefully the fitness of Joe Gomez will mean Klopp is ready to allow him to move elsewhere.
     
  21. redfanman

    redfanman TIA Regular Valued Member

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    I wonder if next season sees Clyne switch to left back and Trent comes in at RB?
     
  22. CymruRed

    CymruRed TIA Youth Team

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    Oh sorry,i thought this was the Lucas transfer post.
     
  23. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

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    Well he injure himself so that he doesn't have to leave. So there ya go. Time for us to lock this up....
     
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  24. redfanman

    redfanman TIA Regular Valued Member

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    To be fair the last 2 summer windows he has been asked to stay, when poised to leave.
     
  25. CymruRed

    CymruRed TIA Youth Team

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    lol I know,sorry i was being sarcastic,8 pages and everytime i come in here to expect some news on Lucas,it's all talk of everything but transfer news.
     
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  26. indianscouser

    indianscouser Oh ya Beautttty!!

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    Ill put my money on whoever is our GK.
     
  27. indianscouser

    indianscouser Oh ya Beautttty!!

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    I doubt. Milner is currently untouchable.
    And i also wonder what happened to Flanno.
    For the likes of Trent, Stewart, Woodburn, it will be a solid 2-3 years of part time performance from bench & may be 5-10 starts a season.
    Its difficult for a young defender to break through compared to a CF/Attacking Mid fielder.
     
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