The Owners

Discussion in 'The Albert - LFC Talk' started by liveforthereds, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

    Messages:
    39,541
    Likes Received:
    19,713
    Which law? Say I am a North Korean citizen, positing it in China. The site is hosted in California. The guy I defamed is in UK. Which law do you use? How do you summon me to court? What can you do?
     
    redfanman likes this.
  2. Kopstar

    Kopstar ★★★★★ Valued Member

    Messages:
    6,340
    Likes Received:
    9,797
    It is generally the law of wherever the site's servers are based but this issue always raises interesting questions about legal jurisdiction because, of course, your comments are viewable everywhere. That will be a question for the courts to determine using established rules to decide upon the appropriate legal forum.

    Most jurisdictions have mutual agreements with respect to enforcing judgements against individuals resident outside of the determining jurisdiction. The Lugano and Brussels conventions also may apply.

    Nobody wants to jeopardise the free availability of these forums though so I really would urge caution if anyone feels the need to unconditionally assert wrong-doing against identifiable individuals without proof.

    Wait until they're dead, then you can say what you like (at least under UK law).
     
    redfanman likes this.
  3. ptt

    ptt Mane I'm excited for this season

    Messages:
    11,085
    Likes Received:
    6,788
    We have American owners, just plead the fourth amendment.
     
    James H and redfanman like this.
  4. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

    Messages:
    39,541
    Likes Received:
    19,713
    IN that case.... If Mascott and anyone in the HQ don't step in. Then we can say whatever the hell we like...
    http://www.socalinternetlawyer.com/defamation-internet-forums/

    No need. It is user generated content, the forum is a service provider that provides a platform for us to use. What we say the forum is not accountable until the moderators get involved. And while you and I aren't in America when we are posting this, we are not bound by the laws in America and the forum are not liable. As below...

    Fun stuff this.... we have digress a bit and we have our answers I think. Unless someone is going to come and tell me this website is unreliable... :-)
     
  5. Arminius

    Arminius FSG PR plant Moderator

    Messages:
    15,016
    Likes Received:
    11,568
    That website is American, it is thus relevant only to people who are in reach only of American law - Section 230 covers only Americans. Where the servers are is only part of the question. I can point to two instances where Canadian residents who own forums have been held responsible for failing to shut down libellous comments on their forums, despite explicitly claiming the forums are not moderated and the fact that the servers were in the US, and at least one of the posting IPs was neither in Canada nor the US. One site shut down because they could not prevent a recurrence.
     
    James H, redfanman and Kopstar like this.
  6. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

    Messages:
    39,541
    Likes Received:
    19,713
    Another scenario, the forum setup by a group of people, citizen of say Czech Rep., and Canadian libel law was infringed, how do you shut them down when it is in the internet? Block their IP through ISP? It's very hard unless the forum owners home country ordered for closure, in which case, the forum owner could open a company in Cayman Island and own the site. How do you then press charges? You have to go to source country, or forum hosting country. I was involved in one of this spat in Singapore. In the end, they ordered the ISP to block my company's IP address, and that is as far as they could go though. They don't hold the rights to shut my entire forum or company that owns the forum down.
     
    James H likes this.
  7. shachart

    shachart Our greatest win

    Messages:
    1,547
    Likes Received:
    922
    Are we still talking about the owners ?
     
    SBYM likes this.
  8. Lowton_Red

    Lowton_Red Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    448
    Likes Received:
    868
    I found a site called "Roblox", though I suspect that might be a typo, or an anagram.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2017
  9. redbj

    redbj crowd fund for you to shut up give me the details

    Messages:
    14,909
    Likes Received:
    7,503

    *****whispers*******

    Help....us.....pleeease......
     
  10. Flobs

    Flobs FADA

    Messages:
    2,306
    Likes Received:
    1,285
    Just been looking into these granite stones for the 'Anfield forever' walkway.
    There is very little information about about this. I have some questions that I feel a modern club should provide. I hope someone here can help me.

    How much much money income will this project produce for the club?
    What is the income going to be used for?

    Really wish our club had better communication with the fans. When RCT did this all was laid out so the fans new why and what the money raised was going to be used for. Hidden accountancy is one of my pet hates. We often see this when stadiums are built or renovated weird accounts come out for a few years running after.
     
  11. Iluvatar

    Iluvatar Eru

    Messages:
    2,701
    Likes Received:
    2,399
    You can tell a lot about a person on how they leave somewhere..

    [​IMG]

    A calling.. Exciting times ahead.
     
  12. RedForever2014

    RedForever2014 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,425
    Likes Received:
    1,557
    He seems a decent guy and hopefully will do a good job within his remit, albeit that it is apparently purely commercial.

    The management structure now seems to be split into football and commercial and it is very worrying to me that Edwards is totally in control of the footballing side, including all transfer negotiations.

    The club, in my opinion, lacks football men at the top. It lacks people with knowledge to sense check what others do, people with contacts, people who can influence regulatory bodies, in the way ex directors of clubs like Chelsea and United have gone on to do.

    I remain to be convinced that Edwards is good enough to squeeze every last ounce of footballing return out of every pound we spend, which is what we need to happen if we're to compete.

    Pretty much every other club around us plans spending this summer beyond what would be the case if they were purely looking at their bottom line. So we have to be very clever and from what I've seen Edwards isn't clever enough.
     
  13. Cologne-Liverpool

    Cologne-Liverpool Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,521
    Likes Received:
    3,537
    Not even trying to make a point here, it's a genuine question: How do you come to that conclusion? I didn't think he had much chances to prove himself yet.
     
    James H, redfanman and Iluvatar like this.
  14. Speckydodge

    Speckydodge TIA Squad Member

    Messages:
    2,302
    Likes Received:
    852

    Edwards and one Jurgen Norbert Klopp.
    The footballing side of things is covered :-)
     
  15. Iluvatar

    Iluvatar Eru

    Messages:
    2,701
    Likes Received:
    2,399
    What proof can you offer to your last statement? Sounds like total hyperbole bullshit to me.
     
    Chewbazza and redfanman like this.
  16. Makati Red

    Makati Red Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    1,123
    I am sure Peter Moore will make it work when he arrives
     
  17. Livvy

    Livvy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,216
    Likes Received:
    2,360
    The Elusive 19th, SBYM, Jase and 3 others like this.
  18. GCormskirk

    GCormskirk New Member

    Messages:
    33
    Likes Received:
    47
    Thank you FSG in naming the Centenary Stand after Kenny. As well as being one of the all time greats on the turf for LFC, his post Hillsborough support for the families was magnificent. Appropriate words from John Henry and Tom Werner.
     
  19. shachart

    shachart Our greatest win

    Messages:
    1,547
    Likes Received:
    922
    Watching a match from the Kenny stand. Just sounds right.
     
    redfanman likes this.
  20. Red Armada

    Red Armada TIA Regular

    Messages:
    2,162
    Likes Received:
    1,376
    Brilliant decision by the owners to name the stand after the King. This is what endears them to the fans, showing that LFC isn't just another asset to them but something truly special and unique.
     
    Scott Jones and rupzzz like this.
  21. rupzzz

    rupzzz TIA Regular

    Messages:
    5,629
    Likes Received:
    2,584
    It's okay soon someone will be back here complaining that it's all part of the FSG plan to butter us up before they shafts us in the summer, or whatever else BS the tin foil hat wearers are spouting at the moment...
     
  22. Hope in your heart

    Hope in your heart Loyalty and patience, two undervalued concepts... Admin

    Messages:
    19,563
    Likes Received:
    12,886
    Cheers to them for doing a thing which, although symbolical, is nevertheless necessary and right. Well done!
     
    redfanman likes this.
  23. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

    Messages:
    39,541
    Likes Received:
    19,713
    Let's not go crazy over naming a stand to our well deserved legend. It's a good gesture, by no means putting them in a position free of criticism.
     
    redfanman and MarcusBerglund like this.
  24. Jase

    Jase Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,611
    Likes Received:
    2,192
    redfanman, SBYM and Livvy like this.
  25. Digger88

    Digger88 Member

    Messages:
    69
    Likes Received:
    31
    I now see this Blog written about the man but am unsure if the allegations made are true or false.
    https://lfckopchat.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/five-reasons-why-people-hate-jaimie-kanwar/
    Can you point me in the direction of all sites outlets banned by TIA Mods?

    The Post that was deleted Kopstar was thanking FSG and Henry for the gesture but also remembering the snub of Dalglish at the FA Cup Final in 2012

    Hopefully this source is acceptable.
    http://www.merseyreds.com/2012/05/07/john-w-henry-in-kenny-dalglish-handshake-snub-picture/
     
  26. Iluvatar

    Iluvatar Eru

    Messages:
    2,701
    Likes Received:
    2,399
    No one has ever said FSG haven't made mistakes, but why keep re-visiting the past? Just take this gesture for what it is, I'm sure Henry regrets the way Kenny was relieved of his duties, but ultimately it was the correct decision.

    Some people just want to see the world burn it seems.
     
    Scott Jones, rupzzz and Kopstar like this.
  27. rupzzz

    rupzzz TIA Regular

    Messages:
    5,629
    Likes Received:
    2,584
    I'm certainly not going crazy - not sure who is? I was merely making the point that this will, inevitably, be used as a stick to beat them with - i.e. they are using the naming of the stand to shroud some hidden agenda.

    They are by no means free of just criticism - unfortunately a lot of the time it's made up BS or over thought out conspiracies.

    The very fact that you felt the need to quote me is telling Eddie ;-)
     
    gr_sounder likes this.
  28. rupzzz

    rupzzz TIA Regular

    Messages:
    5,629
    Likes Received:
    2,584
    Kanwar is getting a mention again :?::?::?:
     
  29. SBYM

    SBYM I'm just living the dream

    Messages:
    1,722
    Likes Received:
    2,814
    redfanman and Red Armada like this.
  30. Digger88

    Digger88 Member

    Messages:
    69
    Likes Received:
    31

    Did he ever apologise for not shaking the man's hand? Its important to remember all dealings that Mr Henry had with Dalglish and not just the one's that paints that man and FSG in a good light.
     
    MarcusBerglund likes this.

Share This Page