Virgil van Dijk (CB) Southampton

Discussion in 'Rumour Mill - Transfer Talk' started by Nikola, Apr 14, 2017.

  1. Makati Red

    Makati Red Well-Known Member

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    Why not sign them both
     
  2. Zoran

    Zoran Fighting like beavers.

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    I don't rate Koulibaly as top class, while I'm not ready to call van Dijk a £50m CB either (yes I know sometimes you have to pay over the odds), though he does have a coctail of interesting qualities for that position. They are a bit different as well.
     
  3. KillerBeeLFC

    KillerBeeLFC TIA Reserve Team

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    Sorry I havent kept up with my replies.
    My stance on Van Dijk which others may share is that if the club truly believe he is someone who can help us push to the next level then we should pay at least what other clubs are offering or more. Its what we used to do years ago when we won titles.

    Although I would love to see him here for me its less about the player in question and more about us having the balls to say we want this guy we are going to get him. This can obviously go wrong with the wrong people in charge of things but I trust klopp to know which players are worth the risk. If we get someone for a fraction of the price who performs then its happy days but if the cheaper alternative doesnt improve us then whats the point? We just buy another 1 or 2 next year and it ends up costing the club just much and delays the progress yet again.

    50 million is silly money for a defender but its all silly money these days and in a world where John Stones, David Luiz and Sterling are £50 million players Van Dijk is worth at least that.
     
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  4. kipland007

    kipland007 TIA Youth Team Valued Member

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    Do people really think it is wise to pay a club record fee for a defender who's just sustained a six month injury? Seems awfully dangerous.
     
  5. ILLOK

    ILLOK In the Danger Zone.

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    Guess that's why they do a medical, no?
     
  6. kipland007

    kipland007 TIA Youth Team Valued Member

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    I guess we didn't perform a medical on Aquilani when he signed then? Pretty sure it's impossible to completely determine a players future fitness and performance levels in a 2 day exam. Regardless of the outcome of a medical, we'll be taking a risk that he doesn't re-aggravate what seems to be a pretty serious injury. Especially considering the fee attached, there's no way this shouldn't be considered when talking about his suitability as a signing.
     
  7. OllieRed

    OllieRed OllieRed

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    Van Dijk is PL proven Koulibaly is a bit rash in the tackle, I would prefer V VD.
     
  8. Anfield rd Dreamer

    Anfield rd Dreamer Well-Known Member

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    Aqualani was injured when we signed him wasn't he? And except an illness wasn't that the only injury during out time? Maybe a knock?
     
  9. MarkMcC

    MarkMcC TIA Squad Member

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    Koulibaly seems from the Sakho school of defending. Balls on the line powerhouse centre back. Seems a bit wrong to go looking for such a player when there is one on the books
     
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  10. Livvy

    Livvy Well-Known Member

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    Guardiola signed an injured Gündogan, Gündogan played some games until he managed another (longterm) injury... if Klopp would have done that...:shocked:

    It's a big risk imo
     
  11. Makati Red

    Makati Red Well-Known Member

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    id have Michael Keane over both of them
     
  12. rickardinho1

    rickardinho1 Active Member

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    What in particular makes you say that?

    I rate Keane, very good CB, but he's not at the same level as Van Dijk or Koulibaly.

    For instance, not saying that height is all that matters but Van Dijk and Koulibaly are 1,93m and 1,95m respectively, whereas Keane is only 1,88 (like Lovren). That makes a big difference as Keane isn't anywhere near as dominant aerially or physically as those two.
     
  13. Iluvatar

    Iluvatar Eru

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    VVD is a beast in the air, wins 4.7 aerial duals a game. Will help us no end on set pieces, Klopp will start going man to man I think.
     
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  14. Makati Red

    Makati Red Well-Known Member

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    I just think he would be better than both but always thought Keane was taller so that clearly is a consideration. I also think he would be a very good foil for Matip.

    Most importantly we can sign Keane with or without CL football, pretty sure the other two wouldnt come without it.
     
  15. rickardinho1

    rickardinho1 Active Member

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    First you said that Keane is better than both Van Dijk/Koulibaly... but then you implied that Keane would only be a backup for Matip... That's something of a contradiction there, as Van Dijk/Koulibaly aren't "foil" options - unlike Keane.

    There's also a good reason why Van Dijk/Koulibaly wouldn't join without CL football - and it's because the CL is their level... and as you said yourself Keane wouldn't have any problems joining a non-CL club - because he is clearly a level below CB's who would only join CL clubs - i.e. Van Dijk/Koulibaly.
     
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  16. Zinedine Biscan

    Zinedine Biscan The patient one

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    Word to the wise, trying to argue with Makati and pin him down to a single standpoint is like trying to have a fistfight with fog.
     
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  17. redfanman

    redfanman TIA Regular Valued Member

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    Foil doesn't mean backup.
     
  18. Makati Red

    Makati Red Well-Known Member

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    As Redfanman pointed out Foil doesnt mean back up it means a CB partner that compliments his style.

    Most importantly whoevever we buy we need them to have a better injury record than Matip or Lovren who have both lost near a third of the games so far, its why we need two more CBs and at least one who is available for most of the games
     
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  19. rickardinho1

    rickardinho1 Active Member

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    What is it specifically about Keane that would complement Matip better than Van Dijk or Koulibaly?
     
  20. Makati Red

    Makati Red Well-Known Member

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    Silk and Steel
     
  21. rupzzz

    rupzzz TIA Regular

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    VVD is both silky and steely
     
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  22. gr_sounder

    gr_sounder Always Watching

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    Never let facts get in the way of a good argument.
     
  23. dazzy b

    dazzy b New Member

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    I tried to throw a punch at fog once...

    Mist.......
     
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  24. redfanman

    redfanman TIA Regular Valued Member

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    Dont let that cloud your judgement, try again! :J
     
  25. OLDIE

    OLDIE TIA New Signing

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    My wife is always telling me that the extra 0.07m makes all the difference.

    Size obviously does matter
     
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  26. CoolLiverpool

    CoolLiverpool New Member

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    Liverpool sure could use van dijk to secure their defensive problems. Lovren and matip are good but simply not really good enough to match up to other ace defenders such as koscielny and luiz
     
  27. Sweeting

    Sweeting Doesn't think Mignolet is that bad

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    As I said... it's just a number. Pay it, bring him in if we believe he is the best CB available.
     
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  28. Limiescouse

    Limiescouse Well-Known Member

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    Aye, after this weekend I think his value just increased by 5 million
     
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  29. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie "¿Plata... O Plomo?" Valued Member

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    Agree..... I don't want Lovren playing as a starter for us next season. He cannot learn from his mistakes, he did it twice in one game and cost us 2 goals as a result. How much more training and educating does one need to learn from mistakes he made regularly?
     
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  30. Zinedine Biscan

    Zinedine Biscan The patient one

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    I agree. Get it done. Painful how easy it is to score against us most games.
     
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