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2019/2020 Fixtures v 2018/2019 Results - Season Comparison

Red_Jedi

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Does anyone else wake up scared - in case they find that they’ve still got a Nokia, it’s 2009, Fergie is still manager... and we have joe Cole and Roy Hodgson?

And then you realise, that was just a nightmare. This shit is true. All of it.

Looking forward to Man U falling into the skip in the next match.
 

Nur der BvB09

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Me thinks this year we’ll win the prize for the most boring championship ( no concurrence at al) in epl history. The other records are all but gone from the so called the greatest of fergie teams etc..
I’ll still stick with the game minds we’ll win it end February.
City are a mess, Leicester shite and the rest have forgotten that the season has already begun and are all but fighting to avoid relegation
 

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Does anyone else wake up scared - in case they find that they’ve still got a Nokia, it’s 2009, Fergie is still manager... and we have joe Cole and Roy Hodgson?

And then you realise, that was just a nightmare. This shit is true. All of it.

Looking forward to Man U falling into the skip in the next match.
I was sorting my daughters stuff the other day and came across a 'Nokia' and all that flashed before my eyes, I had to pinch myself to get back to reality. This is real, isn't it? o_O
 
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Perth Red

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Looking at the teams at the top of the main leagues around Europe on a points per game basis -

Premier League
Liverpool 2.92
City 2.04
Leicester 1.96

Italy
Juventus 2.45
Inter 2.32
Lazio 2.27

Germany
Bayern 2.10
Leipzig 2.05
Dortmund 1.95

France
PSG 2.52
Marseille 2.00
Rennes 1.74

Spain
Real 2.23
Barcelona 2.09
Getafe 1.77

Other than Italy, City and Leicester are pretty much on par with all of the other teams in second and third around the leagues. Nothing abnormal about their results or positions in reality. The only big variance is that, like Ligue 1, there is currently one dominant team in the PL. Last year there were two. City fans crying that their defense of the title has been a shambles is basically derogatory about all of the other teams in the league, simply because they have dropped to comparable levels to the rest of Europe!
 

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Looking at the teams at the top of the main leagues around Europe on a points per game basis -

Premier League
Liverpool 2.92
City 2.04
Leicester 1.96

Italy
Juventus 2.45
Inter 2.32
Lazio 2.27

Germany
Bayern 2.10
Leipzig 2.05
Dortmund 1.95

France
PSG 2.52
Marseille 2.00
Rennes 1.74

Spain
Real 2.23
Barcelona 2.09
Getafe 1.77

Other than Italy, City and Leicester are pretty much on par with all of the other teams in second and third around the leagues. Nothing abnormal about their results or positions in reality. The only big variance is that, like Ligue 1, there is currently one dominant team in the PL. Last year there were two. City fans crying that their defense of the title has been a shambles is basically derogatory about all of the other teams in the league, simply because they have dropped to comparable levels to the rest of Europe!

Just looked at the PPG of 2nd place in the PL for the last ten years

18/19 - 2.25
17/18 - 2.13
16/17 - 2.26
15/16 - 1.87
14/15 - 2.08
13/14 - 2.21
12/13 - 2.05
11/12 - 2.34
10/11 - 1.87
09/10 - 2.24

So yes 2.04 is below average, it is only better than two of the 2nd place teams in the last 10 years.

Its a piss poor defence, and we should be on the front foot in reminding them about it.
 

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How about...it's a pretty rubbish title defense but it wouldn't have really mattered if they were any better because we're so bloody good?
The problem is they put that much effort into last years title charge and holding us off it killed them, they have an ageing squad and their levels have dropped. Ours have relentlessly continued and they can’t cope with it.

A lot got said about us last year, we bottled it etc despite our record haul, this year no mention of them bottling it, we have just been too good,Partly true, but they have still bottled it to extent by putting in the poorest title defence seen from a team for a while
 

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Of course City title defence is poor.Dropping 24 points in 25 games is not something you would expect from a team that won the last 2 league titles with 198 points combined.They havent won 4 matches in the row in the league this season.They have conceded 29 goals in 25 games.They are on course to concede more goals this season than in 2016/2017 season where they finished third with 78 points.And their point tally this season will be similar to that of 16/17.
 

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Looking at the teams at the top of the main leagues around Europe on a points per game basis -

Premier League
Liverpool 2.92
City 2.04
Leicester 1.96

Italy
Juventus 2.45
Inter 2.32
Lazio 2.27

Germany
Bayern 2.10
Leipzig 2.05
Dortmund 1.95

France
PSG 2.52
Marseille 2.00
Rennes 1.74

Spain
Real 2.23
Barcelona 2.09
Getafe 1.77

Other than Italy, City and Leicester are pretty much on par with all of the other teams in second and third around the leagues. Nothing abnormal about their results or positions in reality. The only big variance is that, like Ligue 1, there is currently one dominant team in the PL. Last year there were two. City fans crying that their defense of the title has been a shambles is basically derogatory about all of the other teams in the league, simply because they have dropped to comparable levels to the rest of Europe!
Their defense is pretty dire even so. :LOL:
 

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Of course City title defence is poor.Dropping 24 points in 25 games is not something you would expect from a team that won the last 2 league titles with 198 points combined.They havent won 4 matches in the row in the league this season.They have conceded 29 goals in 25 games.They are on course to concede more goals this season than in 2016/2017 season where they finished third with 78 points.And their point tally this season will be similar to that of 16/17.
When you really think about it, it is not that much of a surprise, especially because they left emerging problems unaddressed. It is very, very hard for a team to keep up that intensity for a three year period, and in particular last year I think they benefited enormously from an aura. At least a third of their games were more or less a disgrace, opponents playing not to lose by more than 3-0 from the very start, and not doing a good job of it - even though their European opponents were clearly revealing limitations. This season, that simply is not happening, Norwich set an early example, and they have had to work for the 3 points far more often.
 

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When you really think about it, it is not that much of a surprise, especially because they left emerging problems unaddressed. It is very, very hard for a team to keep up that intensity for a three year period, and in particular last year I think they benefited enormously from an aura. At least a third of their games were more or less a disgrace, opponents playing not to lose by more than 3-0 from the very start, and not doing a good job of it - even though their European opponents were clearly revealing limitations. This season, that simply is not happening, Norwich set an early example, and they have had to work for the 3 points far more often.
Same could apply to us next season. We have been more or less perfect for 2 seasons running. Mentally as well as physically that's got to be draining. Plus we have the Afcon to worry about. What might save us from a dip is the 'aura' you referred to which we've only really acquired this season. West Ham being a good example of a team who were aiming to not get beat too bad and didn't. Southampton had a go and got tonked. There is a lesson in that.
 

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Just looked at the PPG of 2nd place in the PL for the last ten years

18/19 - 2.25
17/18 - 2.13
16/17 - 2.26
15/16 - 1.87
14/15 - 2.08
13/14 - 2.21
12/13 - 2.05
11/12 - 2.34
10/11 - 1.87
09/10 - 2.24

So yes 2.04 is below average, it is only better than two of the 2nd place teams in the last 10 years.

Its a piss poor defence, and we should be on the front foot in reminding them about it.
Season 18/19 should read 2.55 pts per game not 2.25 ( 97/38 = 2.55)
 

Perth Red

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Just looked at the PPG of 2nd place in the PL for the last ten years

18/19 - 2.25
17/18 - 2.13
16/17 - 2.26
15/16 - 1.87
14/15 - 2.08
13/14 - 2.21
12/13 - 2.05
11/12 - 2.34
10/11 - 1.87
09/10 - 2.24

So yes 2.04 is below average, it is only better than two of the 2nd place teams in the last 10 years.

Its a piss poor defence, and we should be on the front foot in reminding them about it.
Moaninho's great season of 81 points in 17/18 at 2.13 ppg is only 3 points better than City are on target for. The average, excluding us last year, is 2.12 ppg, so basically 81 points for the season. I just think that they are where a second place team should be, simply the gap is not caused by them being terrible, as they say, but us being ludicrous!
 

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I decided to dig into the EPL standings since the PL started to get an indication of whether other fans have a case when they say "oh but it's because the league is weak that you are killing it". What Ive done is used purely the points table and ranked each league position by points against the same league position in the 27 other years of the PL. ie 1st placed United in 1998 has the 26th best points total out of 28 title winners.

What I've done is extrapolated the current PPG to a 38 game season, which is very inaccurate and will show us in a bad light as late season is when the top teams start coming to the front and the bottom teams drop off. I've thrown in a title winning year for one of each of the whingers (03 for Arse, 1998 for United's treble year, 2004 for Chelsea's Mourinho and 2017 for the record breaking City team).

League Position
Rank 2003​
Rank 1998​
Rank 2019​
Rank 2004​
Rank 2017​
1​
9​
26​
1​
4​
2​
2​
15​
17​
17​
10​
13​
3​
11​
11​
16​
6​
6​
4​
28​
19​
26​
27​
4​
5​
27​
26​
27​
25​
5​
6​
26​
27​
27​
21​
9​
7​
25​
22​
25​
21​
22​
8​
17​
19​
17​
19​
25​
9​
11​
16​
20​
11​
25​
10​
11​
16​
20​
20​
28​
11​
12​
13​
13​
20​
27​
12​
10​
15​
10​
20​
23​
13​
11​
9​
7​
15​
23​
14​
7​
15​
5​
11​
20​
15​
5​
12​
21​
12​
21​
16​
11​
6​
14​
17​
24​
17​
12​
6​
15​
28​
21​
18​
23​
11​
11​
23​
23​
19​
13​
6​
6​
13​
13​
20​
6​
12​
18​
9​
11​

So you can see 2017 really was an exceptional year for the top 6. Though 2017 second place isn't miles behind City's projected second place finish this season. It highlights though how shit the top half of the table were in 2003 and 1998.

There are obviously a tonne of ways of looking at points figures as well. If the bottom placed teams are ranked highly, do we assume that the top teams had more difficulty taking points from them?