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Adrien Rabiot (CM) PSG

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He is a class player in midfield, he'd be a solid addition to the squad. He is a calm and composed passer of the ball, decent tackler and not too bad going forward. I do have my concerns though. He seems very petulant and a little bit immature. He was exiled from the French squad because of his (and his Agent's) comments.
This is technically true, but it overlooks that it was because of form and his (lack of) performances for France that initially saw him not included. The exile only came afterwards because Deschamps thought his response to it was inappropriate. I think this is an important thing to remember for people making the arguments he is good enough to overlook the disciplinary issues.

In short, his disciplinary issues invariably stem from hitting out when other people don't think he is as good as he thinks he is.
 


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I'm trying to decide two things:

How good is the player?
How much of the hassle we see is down to a French temperament? (I love France and its people!)

On the latter, it seems that every time you see Paris on the news there is a strike of some sort, or the people are up in arms over something. Maybe Rabiot just has that sort of temperament running through his veins, and in the grand scheme of things it's not that big of a deal for a leader like Klopp to handle, especially if he thinks the player is a good one.

So how good is the player? I'm undecided. Sometimes I think he is a world class talent, waiting to emerge in the right environment. But then other times I don't think he's that good, and a hungrier player, someone like Grujic who is doing very well in Berlin, might give us what Rabiot can, without the possible hassle.
 



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Do we need him? Really?

He is somewhere between a box to box and a DM, and I think we have those bases covered. We need an injection of creativity/goals in midfield and I don’t think he offers that.
 



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Reports coming out today that he has a verbal agreement with Real Madrid, and he's keen to work with his fellow Frenchman Zidane.

On Rabiot himself, I've always said that if he's available for free, and a decent wage, and Klopp likes him, it would be a no brainer. As @Mascot88 says, we have midfield pretty boxed off. Save the wage a creative/attacking player, and also for a left back to cover Moreno's departure and keep Robbo on his toes.
 

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Reports coming out today that he has a verbal agreement with Real Madrid, and he's keen to work with his fellow Frenchman Zidane.

On Rabiot himself, I've always said that if he's available for free, and a decent wage, and Klopp likes him, it would be a no brainer. As @Mascot88 says, we have midfield pretty boxed off. Save the wage a creative/attacking player, and also for a left back to cover Moreno's departure and keep Robbo on his toes.
I dont think Rabiot would be the right sort of player for our midfield though. Our midfield is primarily there to do the donkey work of the team. The full backs provide the bulk of the creativity, along with the forwards. Our middle three do a lot of the running to fill in gaps or pressing to force errors. Would Rabiot do that?
 

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I dont think Rabiot would be the right sort of player for our midfield though. Our midfield is primarily there to do the donkey work of the team. The full backs provide the bulk of the creativity, along with the forwards. Our middle three do a lot of the running to fill in gaps or pressing to force errors. Would Rabiot do that?
Midfield is the weakest part of our starting 11, we should definitely be looking to improve that area in the future. While we do well to create down the side it makes us very predictable as we have no creativity in the middle which makes us very predictable when teams sit deep. We also struggle to control games and that comes from quality in the middle of the park. For me Fabinho is the only central midfielder we have who has nailed down a position for next season.
 

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Midfield is the weakest part of our starting 11, we should definitely be looking to improve that area in the future. While we do well to create down the side it makes us very predictable as we have no creativity in the middle which makes us very predictable when teams sit deep. We also struggle to control games and that comes from quality in the middle of the park. For me Fabinho is the only central midfielder we have who has nailed down a position for next season.
The midfield Klopp puts out are not there to provide the creativity, they are the piano carriers. Reduce the nunber of forwards we play with and by extension the midfield will look more creative. I would also disagree that we are very predictable when teams sit deep. Despite losing Coutinho, who many argue was our most creative player, we do better now against deep lying teams than we did when he was around. We also score from a broader number of ways - our set pieces this season have contributed significantly.

I dont think we do struggle to control games - at least not the majority of them, but again that isnt simply down to personnel (there are times for example against spurs where our defence drops deeper and our forwards dont drop back or do their defensive work, leaving the midfield to cover more ground).
 



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I dont think Rabiot would be the right sort of player for our midfield though. Our midfield is primarily there to do the donkey work of the team. The full backs provide the bulk of the creativity, along with the forwards. Our middle three do a lot of the running to fill in gaps or pressing to force errors. Would Rabiot do that?
I don't know whether he would be the right sort or not - hence reference to it being a no-brainer if Klopp fancied him also.

I've zero interest in the League 1 games so no idea how good he could be, and am not bothered if he does or doesn't come. All about Klopps wants.
 

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The midfield Klopp puts out are not there to provide the creativity, they are the piano carriers. Reduce the nunber of forwards we play with and by extension the midfield will look more creative. I would also disagree that we are very predictable when teams sit deep. Despite losing Coutinho, who many argue was our most creative player, we do better now against deep lying teams than we did when he was around. We also score from a broader number of ways - our set pieces this season have contributed significantly.

I dont think we do struggle to control games - at least not the majority of them, but again that isnt simply down to personnel (there are times for example against spurs where our defence drops deeper and our forwards dont drop back or do their defensive work, leaving the midfield to cover more ground).

The purchases of Keita and Chamberlain plus the effort to sign Fekir clearly show the midfield he wants to put out is one which much more creativity and not simply piano carriers though.
 

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I think Fabinho showed the way. Klopp wants an awful lot from his CMs that isn't very glamorous. For a long time we were all calling out for a pure DM type to be added to the squad or/and a playmaker to distribute from deep and Klopp didn't seem to be willing to change from his jack of all trades types. Then we signed Fabinho. A player who can satisfy Klopps need for a CM to do all that unglamorous work whilst also being a pure DM with a light smattering of playmaking from deep thrown in for good measure. For any CMs to come in now I think they have to be similar to Fabinho in that way. They can be specialist DM or playmaker types but only if they provide the rest of what Klopp wants from a CM at the same time.
 

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The purchases of Keita and Chamberlain plus the effort to sign Fekir clearly show the midfield he wants to put out is one which much more creativity and not simply piano carriers though.
Exactly.... our creative spark either injured or has not performed to the level Klopp had hope for. The manager who believes in entertainment value won't go about putting 3 workhorses in midfield. This season everyone seemed to think this is exactly what the manager wanted and harping on we're better than we were last season in the attacking front, which isn't true. In the exact same amount of games played, we are 3 goals behind last season even though we are 13 points better off. What changed is in our goal difference, we are 16 goals better off compared to last season which means our defence had done the work for us.

The mantra of defence wins you titles will have to accompany by attack gain you points. You can have 38 clean-sheets in the entire season and still be battling for survival come the end of the season. I am very sure Klopp didn't set his team out with 3 defensive-minded or workhorse midfielders in mind. It's just the card he is being dealt with which he makes full use of it. Does not mean that is how he wants us to play over and over again.
 

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We've got enough creativity in our midfield. The only problem is that they haven't clicked or have been injured. The likes of Keita, Shaqiri, Oxlade were supposed to take care of that aspect. This is probably the reason why we'll be in for a CAM for the next season as well.

As far as Rabiot is concerned, I'd rather not take him, not when Grujic is in the wings waiting for his chance. But there remains a need to replace the likes of Milner & Lallana eventually.
 



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I find it somewhat intriguing that he hasn’t signed with someone yet, especially since he’s not even playing for PSG and their season is basically done. If he was going to Barca, why wouldn’t they just say it like De Jong. Or Real who has already announced Militao. Or Bayern who have already announced multiple players. He’s either waiting and hoping a certain Club comes for him. Or he has an agreement with a Club who doesn’t want any distractions....
 

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I find it somewhat intriguing that he hasn’t signed with someone yet, especially since he’s not even playing for PSG and their season is basically done. If he was going to Barca, why wouldn’t they just say it like De Jong. Or Real who has already announced Militao. Or Bayern who have already announced multiple players. He’s either waiting and hoping a certain Club comes for him. Or he has an agreement with a Club who doesn’t want any distractions....
Or, no clubs of the stature he thinks he deserves has made him a concrete offer. He seems to think he is a fit for Barca, but now they have De Jong, their moves for midfield are going to be based on who they let go.
 

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Or, no clubs of the stature he thinks he deserves has made him a concrete offer. He seems to think he is a fit for Barca, but now they have De Jong, their moves for midfield are going to be based on who they let go.
Whatever happens he'll end up at a top club, my worry is he ends up at someone like Spurs or Chelsea he's better then any centre mids they have and improves them relatively cheaply.
 

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He’ll want huge wages and a significant signing-on fee; plus his agent (whoever that is these days) will demand a hefty sum.
Nearly 100% of which gets paid on a traditional signing of a top top player too. Any difference between the signing on fees of a "free" or not free signing of that quality won't come anywhere near the price of a fee for a player like that.
 



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Nearly 100% of which gets paid on a traditional signing of a top top player too. Any difference between the signing on fees of a "free" or not free signing of that quality won't come anywhere near the price of a fee for a player like that.
I dont think that is entirely correct but i suppose depends on what you consider 'nowhere near the price of a fee for a player like that'. Top Top players usually dont move on free transfers. This example also obviously depends on the particular player in question but the signing on fee and wages of a player on a free transfer will usually be significantly higher than if he were coming to the club under a fee as the player seeks to cash in on their 'market value'.

For Rabiot specifically, i would argue that his 'market value' should probably be discounted somewhat (and therefore what package we would consider offering him if we are interested, which i strongly doubt)- given the issues surrounding him there is a greater risk of problems following his signing than there might be with comparable players.
 

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I dont think that is entirely correct but i suppose depends on what you consider 'nowhere near the price of a fee for a player like that'. Top Top players usually dont move on free transfers. This example also obviously depends on the particular player in question but the signing on fee and wages of a player on a free transfer will usually be significantly higher than if he were coming to the club under a fee as the player seeks to cash in on their 'market value'.

For Rabiot specifically, i would argue that his 'market value' should probably be discounted somewhat (and therefore what package we would consider offering him if we are interested, which i strongly doubt)- given the issues surrounding him there is a greater risk of problems following his signing than there might be with comparable players.
I believe most of the issues surrounding him revolve around the bullshit and politics that go on at a side like PSG. He's a fiery, passionate character and I think Klopp would be on the players side on a lot of the issues that have cropped up. I don't think we need him at the moment is all. Klopp doesn't make changes for the sake of it and we have Fabinho, Keita, Henderson and Wijnaldum all showing they can be great, if a little inconsistent. We also have Milner and Grujic is doing ok on loan. But Rabiot would be around 50 million on the market maybe more. No way a signing on fee increases by anywhere near that figure because of his free signing.
 

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Whatever happens he'll end up at a top club, my worry is he ends up at someone like Spurs or Chelsea he's better then any centre mids they have and improves them relatively cheaply.
Rabiot better than Kante?

Not even close. I don't think he improves Chelsea all that much really, they'd be just as well off giving Loftus-Cheek a proper run in the side.
 

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I believe most of the issues surrounding him revolve around the bullshit and politics that go on at a side like PSG. He's a fiery, passionate character and I think Klopp would be on the players side on a lot of the issues that have cropped up.
Publicly complaining about minutes and not being played int he right position? You think Klopp would be on his side over those sorts of actions?
 

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Publicly complaining about minutes and not being played int he right position? You think Klopp would be on his side over those sorts of actions?
The best players play under Klopp. Those that don't play but want to are allowed to leave. At PSG he has been benched for lesser performing players because they've been higher profile and also been denied departures both Perm and Loan. Yeah on the issues he's had over playing time I'd suggest Klopp would have been on his side over the political games at PSG. If the worst you can say about a player is that he's not happy when not being played and wants to be used in his most effective position I think he's been painted as a bigger villain than he is. Still not expecting him here though as really think we are set in the two deepest CM roles for a good few seasons.
 



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