Alisson (GK) AS Roma

What will Alisson be leaning on?

  • Goalposts (yawn)

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Sack of cash

    Votes: 6 4.8%
  • Tries to lean on Karius, who drops him

    Votes: 34 27.4%
  • Worried Achterberg

    Votes: 9 7.3%
  • Contract table. Which it obviously will be.

    Votes: 5 4.0%
  • Degsy’s World Cup runner up medal. He hasn’t taken it off yet.

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • Desperate for content Express journalists.

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • 10,000 scouse OAPs having their pacemakers checked.

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Nabil Fekir, who is leaning the other way.

    Votes: 24 19.4%
  • No lean. We’re all just getting carried away.

    Votes: 4 3.2%
  • Rio Festival headdress

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • Ray Clemmo’s goalie gloves.

    Votes: 3 2.4%
  • Bobby F’s gorgeous new silver locks.

    Votes: 31 25.0%

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ILLOK

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Purely financial reasons perhaps? People may say that Liverpool are flush with cash after Coutinho's sale but there's already Keita incoming at 50-60 million pounds, while at least another forward and a defensive midfielder wouldn't go amiss. And that's provided everyone currently in the team remains fit...
What gets prioritised though?

I'd rather buy a top keeper and go without a defensive midfielder than spreading the money evenly between the two, unless we are absolutely sure of getting a pair of great deals (Salah for 36 for example, always looked a steal IMO).

If a player of Rabiot's quality became available, and we chose him over Alisson, I can understand the thinking behind that. If not, it makes absolutely no sense to pass up a chance to bring in a player of this quality in a position that we know is extremely hard to fill adequately.
 
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Please tell me we're not going to do that thing again where we expect a Brazilian lad to spend a decade here?
If we go to sign him the first thing we should ask him is what he thinks of Barcelona and Real Madrid. Better still, give him a load of bevvies, that way he won't be able to help himself but tell the truth. I know, it sounds like the Spanish(no pun intended) Inquisition. :smile:
 

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Yeah, but even in the few matches I've watched United in (*curls up in shower and scrubs furiously*) there have been more than one where they were absolutely battered and De Gea kept them in it single handedly. Not just this season, but last year as well.

Completely agree that over the course of a season that all the mistakes wouldn't automatically have been erased and the points awarded, but even in a case-by-case basis, having a goalkeeper of his calibre would make an enormous difference. The Arsenal match at the Emirates. Champions League matches against Moscow and Sevilla. Seeing both lads repeatedly beaten at the near post. Constantly seeing stats showing that X team scored on every (or almost every) shot on goal they had. These are all things that yes, a top goalkeeper might not completely eradicate, but we'd be in a much better position right now if someone like Oblak or Alisson was between the sticks for us, I'm sure of it
I'm not saying De Gea isn't better than our two - in fact I think De Gea would still be better if we could play both our lads at the same time.

But at the same time, I absolutely guarantee he would be much more exposed here than he is at Utd, and it's silly to take the line Moggot took - that you can take some stat about him based on his performances in a defensive United side, drop them wholesale into our attacking set up, and calculate how many points better off we are. That's just barmy.
 

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GK, DM and a Phil replacement is where we should concentrate all our funds. If that is three £50m+ players then so be it.
 

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I'm not saying De Gea isn't better than our two - in fact I think De Gea would still be better if we could play both our lads at the same time.

But at the same time, I absolutely guarantee he would be much more exposed here than he is at Utd, and it's silly to take the line Moggot took - that you can take some stat about him based on his performances in a defensive United side, drop them wholesale into our attacking set up, and calculate how many points better off we are. That's just barmy.

Similar to Dejan Lovren being seen as one of the best CB's when we got him from a very defensive side perhaps?
 

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Kind of abit disappointed that Melissa Reddy on twitter saying that LFC are not pursuing their interest in the GK Alisson.

We do need a Goal Keeper. I know Karius is doing ok at the moment, but we do still need a back up because I have a feeling Mingolet will leave in the summer.
 

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Kind of abit disappointed that Melissa Reddy on twitter saying that LFC are not pursuing their interest in the GK Alisson.

We do need a Goal Keeper. I know Karius is doing ok at the moment, but we do still need a back up because I have a feeling Mingolet will leave in the summer.
She is saying we are not interested in paying £62m for him. That doesnt mean we wont go back in for him or another good keeper.
 

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I expect Mignolet to move on this summer - plus Bogdan who must be close to the end of his contract - there must be doubts about Ward as well??

So in my view there is a definite need to bring in a quality Goalkeeper - a position that needs top quality competition for next season.
 

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This is all bs, we wouldn't give up on him just now, this is the same tactic that we are using with Lemar, push the price down, but won't do a thing if they both go to the WC, but let's wait and see...
 

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I expect Mignolet to move on this summer - plus Bogdan who must be close to the end of his contract - there must be doubts about Ward as well??

So in my view there is a definite need to bring in a quality Goalkeeper - a position that needs top quality competition for next season.
I'm thinking Jurgen will give Karius every chance to prove himself until the end of the season, but I also believe our scouts will be out keeping an eye on keepers across the European leagues as we comment on this thread. Butland has been mentioned in previous Posts and in the British media, but I don't think he's such a vast improvement on our present keepers for us to go for him.
 

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I think no one will ever want this guy by seasons end.

not a single one of you
 
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One of the most irritating clichés in football.

Tell me: do you get on with everyone in your country?
People from similar cultures tend to stick together. Firmino, Lucas, Coutinho, Moreno all seemed to spend a lot of time together. Mane says Salah is his bestest friend and gets giddy when talking about Keita, Karius said Can is his closest mate in the squad, Henderson and Lallana share a bed. Carragher used to moan about his missus not having English women to speak to, etc etc etc.

I know a (Portuguese) lad whose missus works as a masseuse for footballer's wives, more specifically the South/Latin American players in the NW. They've been invited to a couple of small events like kid's parties, there's a fair bit of socialising that goes on with them even between players who play for different clubs.

It's obviously not a reason to buy someone, but certainly not an inapplicable cliche at all.
 
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It's not a cliche really, people from similar cultures tend to stick together. Firmino, Lucas, Coutinho, Moreno all seemed to spend a lot of time together. Mane says Salah is his bestest friend and gets giddy when talking about Keita, Karius said Can is his closest mate in the squad, Henderson and Lallana share a bed. Carragher used to moan about his missus not having English women to speak to, etc etc etc.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/what-liverpool-stars-up-warm-12039483
not saying I totally agree but Bobby does seem quite happy.
 

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not saying I totally agree but Bobby does seem quite happy.
I've no doubt he is. Just saying it's wrong to suggest there isn't any link between nationality/culture and who footballers tend to spend their time with outside the game.
 

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What gets prioritised though?

I'd rather buy a top keeper and go without a defensive midfielder than spreading the money evenly between the two, unless we are absolutely sure of getting a pair of great deals (Salah for 36 for example, always looked a steal IMO).

If a player of Rabiot's quality became available, and we chose him over Alisson, I can understand the thinking behind that. If not, it makes absolutely no sense to pass up a chance to bring in a player of this quality in a position that we know is extremely hard to fill adequately.
This is my thinking, too - only I, as a mere fan, can't decide for certain what I think should be prioritised. If I'm going to nitpick, I dread to think what might happen if injuries hit Liverpool's attacking trio as there's no real backup for them at this moment - in a way, someone like Bailey theoretically solves a few of those problems - as well as if injury hits Van Dijk. In midfield, Keita is expected to be the undisputed starter but what about injury-prone Henderson and outgoing Can (who isn't a DM of top quality anyway, at least not at this moment)?

Right now, I'd say that a winger/forward should be high on Klopp's agenda, that a shiny, dynamic, new DM should be no. 1 priority but as sure as night follows day, the first time Karius drops a clanger, I'll change my opinion and ask for a new goalkeeper while my stomach is still turning...

For what it's worth, I have no problem with spending big on a goalkeeper (and I think there's plenty of money for both a top goalie and a top DM if not for any other position) - but I'll stick to my opinion that Oblak is a better choice at 85 million pounds than Alisson at roughly 20 million less. Not that I think Liverpool will/should pay that much for either, just saying. Like we've seen with Van Dijk and Keita, sometimes you just have to (over)pay to get what you want and what you need.
 

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I like Alisson a lot mind you. But the prices are inflating beyond belief. First his GK coach tries to hype him as the 'Messi' of goalkeepers. And then suddenly the quoted value jumps from 50m euro to £60m to £70m? What in the world is going on here? I do wish we had gone after one of these legitimate keepers years earlier. Before the Neymar deal, we could have probably lured Oblak for £35m-40m. Now his asking price is £90m??

Let's just hope that Karius pans out. If not that's going to be a lot of money to spend on the keeper position!
 

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No chance we go for Allison. Even if the price is speculation at this time, if Klopp was set on getting a goalie he’d just have rode out the season with Migs as the #1. The fact he handed the job to Karius and the way he’s responded makes me believe a starting goalie is not something we’ll be looking for unless Karius does a 180 the rest of the season with his performance because what he’s given us so far is quality goalkeeping.
 

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No chance we go for Allison. Even if the price is speculation at this time, if Klopp was set on getting a goalie he’d just have rode out the season with Migs as the #1. The fact he handed the job to Karius and the way he’s responded makes me believe a starting goalie is not something we’ll be looking for unless Karius does a 180 the rest of the season with his performance because what he’s given us so far is quality goalkeeping.
I think dropping Simon was completely down to him being shit and so Klopp had enough and is now using Karius and not based on any transfers decisions.
 

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And I also think that making Karius his #1 was in Klopps plans a long time ago.
I think you're right in the beginning Klopp did have plans for Karius being #1 but he struggled and that sent him into his shell,hopefully he keeps getting better and seriously kicks on and grabs this opportunity with both hands.;-)
 

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GK, DM and a Phil replacement is where we should concentrate all our funds. If that is three £50m+ players then so be it.
Not so sure about a number 6 being a big priority. Alexander Arnold played there as a junior and I would rather spend whatever it takes to get the keeper the boss really wants. Historically it has been a massively undervalued position but perhaps not now. I agree that a genuine star attacker would be a great addition. I think Klopp knows more about footy than me so I don't get wound up over transfers like I used to.

Looking into my crystal ball I think Pulisic and whichever keeper the boss wants will be our 2 priority signings.
 

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She is saying we are not interested in paying £62m for him. That doesnt mean we wont go back in for him or another good keeper.
Not sure why on earth we would say otherwise in February. Roma are trying to drum up an auction, and are trying to negotiate with him to sign a new contract. That new contract may have no other effect than to increase Alisson's pay for a matter of weeks, and get his agent a signing fee. What does LFC have to gain by saying 'you can count on us to fund that, no worries'. Other than increasing the likelihood that he signs with Roma again, and increasing the likely price Roma could get for him, the only other effect vis-a-vis LFC is unsettling our current keeper(s).

Recall that we have a large Dutch centre back playing for us these days, we 'ended our interest' in him.
 

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I'm thinking Jurgen will give Karius every chance to prove himself until the end of the season, but I also believe our scouts will be out keeping an eye on keepers across the European leagues as we comment on this thread. Butland has been mentioned in previous Posts and in the British media, but I don't think he's such a vast improvement on our present keepers for us to go for him.

Really, really don’t want Butland. He’s not an improvement on Mignolet and he’s being shown the door. He’s not playing well for Stoke and most people seem to be struggling for who should be England’s No.1 at world cup with Hart being terrible and Forster not getting a game so that speaks volumes for Butland
 
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