Anfield Atmosphere Discussion

Zoran

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On the tourists topic, I'm speaking on my own behalf (but also about a dozen people who were with me), but the time I went to Anfield i got the Annie Road and sang basically every song (of course it was quiet for large periods). I mean, not every tourist is there to take photos. Some are indeed motivated to take part in atmosphere and are actually disappointed when they witness a lack of it. Tourists are not the basic problem, it's more about the structure and allowing a certain group to start and keep the tempo... even if I find those drums and robotic chanting the same stuff all game a bit boring, but still, something has to be made in that aspect.
 

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I don't buy this. There aren't THAT many tourists at Anfield. Really, there aren't. In the seat I'm in at the moment the vast majority of people around me are locals and/or regulars, the atmosphere is still flat in that section.

There could be 10,000 tourists in Anfield and you'd still have more than enough fans to create a good atmosphere.

Safe standing and a scheme designed to allow you to stand/sit with all your mates (or other like minded people) at the game is the only way to improve the atmosphere. After every away game I've ever been too I've come away hoarse, very rarely does that happen at Anfield. I'm simply not going to sing on my own for 90 minutes at a 3 o clock game against Sunderland when nobody around me is joining in.
I agree with this. I come up from the south coast on my own whenever I can but usually alone. I will sing as loud as I can but I can see that some people would feel a bit daft if nobody was singing around them, also siting in an orderly fashion doesn't really help get the party rocking. At concerts and festivals it's a much better atmosphere when everyone is standing up and jumping and waving there arms, and also to have your mates or like minded people next to you.

It's always been the same though, I remember going to grounds in the 70s and early 80s with my dad and it was always the terraces that were making the noise. The feeling was always that the stands (seats) were the posh seats or for the families and you weren't going to get any noise from there. All that has changed is that all stadia are now just filled with the posh seats.

I've said it before but the simple answer is to have safe standing at the front of the kop and sell the tickets on the day. Young kids, mates, can all stand and sing together.

Problem solved.
 

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The locals thing is absolutely rubbish, sorry but it is.

Youngsters I agree but what happens when they get to 40 are we going turf them out? Sad thing is the only way to get Anfield atmosphere is by winning on the pitch, that was shown by the run in a few years back as well as the European Nights last season.
Eh?

There are two sides to this argument. Whilst 'outsiders' can definitely contribute to the atmosphere, it's undoubtedly the locals that have made Liverpool famous in the past. The locals are the reason we don't sing the same shite as the rest of the footballing fans in this country (e.g. Who are ya, you're not singing any more etc) and are pretty much the driving force of everything that is good about our fan culture.

Think that can be acknowledged without offending anybody. I say this as somebody who doesn't consider myself a local.
 

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Eh?

There are two sides to this argument. Whilst 'outsiders' can definitely contribute to the atmosphere, it's undoubtedly the locals that have made Liverpool famous in the past. The locals are the reason we don't sing the same shite as the rest of the footballing fans in this country (e.g. Who are ya, you're not singing any more etc) and are pretty much the driving force of everything that is good about our fan culture.

Think that can be acknowledged without offending anybody. I say this as somebody who doesn't consider myself a local.
This is true. It's a culmination of things rather than one or 2 main things.

In my opinion this would help....

1. Safe standing on all of the kop
2. A culture where we embrace new supporters and supporters from outside of Liverpool and don't take the piss out of them if they are singing from a song sheet - at least they are trying.
3. A scheme where STH can relocate their seats and sit with their mates (this may already exist)
4. A designated singing section (Although this is the point of the kop

5. Most importantly a successful team that gets fans of their seat.

No surprise to me that our atmosphere was best when our team was at it best - 70s and 80s
 

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A fucking embarrassment today. Hit a new low imo but you reap what you sow, fill the ground with dickheads and that's what you get.
 

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A fucking embarrassment today. Hit a new low imo but you reap what you sow, fill the ground with dickheads and that's what you get.
Yup, fully agree with this. And you can add to this that the stadium was half empty before the final whistle.
 

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You could sense the crowds frustrations make it onto the field yesterday. Few moans and groans and the jitters set in and that's when we started to collapse a bit.

Thought the fans did their best to rally them on occasions, it's more so the frustrations which the players need to learn deal with and show the fans they can overcome certain situations.
 

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Just another proof that even if size and numbers do matter, the culture, habits, consistency (helped by better organzation/structure in stands, hopefully), the pure will to support the team collectively... is key.
 

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There was a moment with about 30 minutes where all of a sudden we started farting around with a clearance and gave them a couple of minor openings back to back when the ball should already have been properly dealt with. I dont think there was a Liverpool watching that on any couch in their own living room who didnt think "oh fuck, here we go" so I dont see how you can get on the back of the fans in the stadium for doing the same. As much as they are there to lift the team, that sort of reaction is natural when faced with such a consistent flaw.
 

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If the team give up then the fans in the ground can be excused for doing so too. We did nothing in the final half hour of that game to get the crowd up when we should have been giving it everything we had. It's a two way thing. Can't keep blaming the home fans for gutless performances. Too many of them have seen the same thing over and over again and are sick to death of it.
 

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I was in the Anfield road stand, for all the Palace shouting in the final 20 years I heard fuck all from them the previous 70, as for is there a fire drill and is this a library. I went to 20 games at Palace last season and I heard that probably at least 18.

It was the worst I'd seen them play and that includes Wolves which I also went to. I saw 4 times us take about 5 minutes on a throw in, only to throw it without aim about 10 yards up only for the ball to be headed back and come back to Mignolet to kick and then lose.

When you've seen that for the 4th time you really start to wonder what the point is, though I kept chanting and stayed to the bitter end so when you call me a "fucking embarrassment" maybe you should get off your fucking armchair and go to the game, sorry but I'm not taking any blame for that or the gutless performance on the pitch, you can talk a good game on LFCTV but one shot on target AT HOME. That cost me in around £80 and if it wasn't for my brother would have cost me a lot more but he lives in Southport and put me up.

4.30 kick off on a Sunday is utterly dreadful, you want to encourage kids to the game and yet the lad behind was expecting to get home at 10.30 on a School night. We don't live in a country where people remain in their catchment areas. Should I cut all ties when I moved from Southport 11 years ago? No you don't do that. There was absolutely no need for that game to kick off at 4.30pm, the PL tie at 2.15 clashed with the FA Cup and who the fig gives a buggery about the Midlands derby between one midtable team and another which might go down.

Sorry but we all know what the main reason is, and I denied it but yes sadly it's standing, because guess what group of fans always sound the loudest at any ground. It's the ones who stand for the entire game (the away ones).
 
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I was in the Anfield road stand, for all the Palace shouting in the final 20 years I heard fuck all from them the previous 70, as for is there a fire drill and is this a library. I went to 20 games at Palace last season and I heard that probably at least 18.

It was the worst I'd seen them play and that includes Wolves which I also went to. I saw 4 times us take about 5 minutes on a throw in, only to throw it without aim about 10 yards up only for the ball to be headed back and come back to Mignolet to kick and then lose.

When you've seen that for the 4th time you really start to wonder what the point is, though I kept chanting and stayed to the bitter end so when you call me a "fucking embarrassment" maybe you should get off your fucking armchair and go to the game, sorry but I'm not taking any blame for that or the gutless performance on the pitch, you can talk a good game on LFCTV but one shot on target AT HOME. That cost me in around £80 and if it wasn't for my brother would have cost me a lot more but he lives in Southport and put me up.

4.30 kick off on a Sunday is utterly dreadful, you want to encourage kids to the game and yet the lad behind was expecting to get home at 10.30 on a School night. We don't live in a country where people remain in their catchment areas. Should I cut all ties when I moved from Southport 11 years ago? No you don't do that. There was absolutely no need for that game to kick off at 4.30pm, the PL tie at 2.15 clashed with the FA Cup and who the fig gives a buggery about the Midlands derby between one midtable team and another which might go down.

Sorry but we all know what the main reason is, and I denied it but yes sadly it's standing, because guess what group of fans always sound the loudest at any ground. It's the ones who stand for the entire game (the away ones).
Matty, I'll assume this is aimed at me as I used the term 'fucking embarrassment' in my post. In my defence I was there on Sunday and not in my 'fucking armchair', I've been a ST holder in the upper centenary since it opened and in the Kop and Anny Rd before that. I've been lucky enough to watch our team in the flesh well over 1000 times since I went to my first match just before the 1974 cup final.
Don't take it personally, the crowd on Sunday WAS a fucking embarrassment collectively. I do my best to get behind the lads every game, I sit with my lad and he has a go as well but we're surrounded by fucking 'observers' rather than supporters. There are blokes like you and me all over the ground who try to get things going but it's a waste of time. Perfect example is the lad and dad who sit in front of me, probably the same sort of age group as me and my lad (he's 18), the pair of them sit there like 2 bumps on a fucking log every game, never sing, never shout, just watch. They do my fucking nut in. The dad wasn't at the derby recently, the lad was with another bloke in his 30's. Half time comes and he get's a mobile out with the Everton badge as the screensaver. That's what we're up against, our own so-called fans giving up their tickets to fucking Evertonians at the derby.
I agree on your other points about KO times, no need for it but SKY, BT and the FA don't give a shit about those who actually attend games so that wont change. Your right about the performance too, pathetic given we are supposedly fighting for a CL spot. If you check my post in the after match thread I suggested Klopp should keep his mouth shut if he felt compelled to call the fans out again so I agree with you, we've seen these shite capitulations too many times over the years and it reaches a stage where apathy takes over. I'll probably spew it in a year or two because I've had enough, the ground is full of fucking clueless knobheads. I think we are probably similar in how we feel about it all so sorry if you took offence, I probably could have worded it better.
 

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After going for years I don't go anymore mainly coz of family and I play myself sat and Sunday.

Anyone sitting on the kop who doesn't bring a flag, banner or scarf and sits there in silence should give their ticket up.
 

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Does anyone else feel that if, on Sunday, 21st of May 2017, we as supporters and fans turn up with the same fervour that we did against Dortmund, then there's no way, no fucking way some shite team like Middlesbrough stands a whiff of a chance to get any fucking thing against us?! Screw afternoon football! Screw having to be seated! What the fuck does it matter when supporting our team?! Lets roar at them! Lets make so much noise that Boro players wet their pants and slide on the grass! Lets fucking get in! No matter what happens in the game there's no way we won't end on top if us fans choke the other team from pressure. Throw the permutations and combinations in the bloody gutter. Lets grab them by the throat and hold them down godammit! We are Liverpool Football Club. Lets show the bastards who the fuck they're dealing with!

Still only Thursday and I've already lost my mind.
 

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Does anyone else feel that if, on Sunday, 21st of May 2017, we as supporters and fans turn up with the same fervour that we did against Dortmund, then there's no way, no fucking way some shite team like Middlesbrough stands a whiff of a chance to get any fucking thing against us?! Screw afternoon football! Screw having to be seated! What the fuck does it matter when supporting our team?! Lets roar at them! Lets make so much noise that Boro players wet their pants and slide on the grass! Lets fucking get in! No matter what happens in the game there's no way we won't end on top if us fans choke the other team from pressure. Throw the permutations and combinations in the bloody gutter. Lets grab them by the throat and hold them down godammit! We are Liverpool Football Club. Lets show the bastards who the fuck they're dealing with!

Still only Thursday and I've already lost my mind.
Somebody from the club should print that off and put it up in the dressing room. Let each and everyone connected with the match day team know how much it means to the supporters.

I wish that I could articulate how I feel about LFC THAT WELL.
 

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It's a two way thing. If the players on the field are faffing around midfield doing nothing with the ball then that will numb the crowd into bored silence, and If the crowd are quiet that doesn't help spur the players into action.

I'd only find fault with fans if the players on the field could have been spurred into action by them raising their voices, against Southampton however we fielded a slow, ponderous midfield that sapped the early optimism of the crowd;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39760509

"It was a terrible spectacle for supporters inside Anfield. It was dire. Truly dire. Was the first half of this match the worst seen in the Premier League this season?

The home sections at Anfield must have thought they were in for a treat - the sun was shining and they knew their team had to take the game to Southampton with a Champions League spot at stake.

But instead of a siege on Forster's goal, what they witnessed during that opening period were their players joining the Saints on the beach.

The first 45 minutes were slow and ponderous, and the only exertions by the Southampton keeper were three very comfortable saves."


I could find no fault whatsoever with any supporter who attended that Southampton game and was numbed into silence. It was a numbing performance. Wasn't joking when I thought fans could have got a refund. Tickets are not cheap, you don't pay your hard earned money to be bored into submission. You even had Carra on commentary being vocal about a certain player walking across midfield and taking eight touches on one occasion. A fan from eastern Europe on here attended his first game at Anfield, hugely excited, must have paid a fair amount of flights, accommodation etc...got into the ground, sat in the Kop and couldn't contain his excitement as kick off approached. It was like Christmas day morning for the fella...without the presents.


When we field our best team we see quick passing, movement and constant probing of the opposing defence which in turn will have the supporters much more enthralled and as a result more vocal.
 

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Yesterday was mental. I think a lot of the spion kop and spirit of shankly were near me.

It was a distinguishing point in the season - all fans, every single one of us have a job to do - if we want to get this title home.

We need to support the team, every player - whether at the stadium, or from a far - whether we use our voices or our fingers typing. Support, support, support....

Let’s leave the criticisms (constructive or not) - let’s leave them till the job is done....

Let’s sing our songs and celebrate this amazing thing we have.
 

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My impression was that the crowd was in good form for the first 10 minutes or so, then was developing a bit of a nervous edge with periods of relative quiet. Once the first goal was scored, the volume was stronger all the way through to the final whistle. It is that nervous edge that needs to disappear.
 

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As a long time STH, I dislike it that some of our own fans use terms such as 'tourists' and 'day trippers.' Why do it, to make yourself look like a super fan or something? I was sat with some lads from Denmark on Saturday. At the arsenal game, I had an arsenal fan from Norway sat next to me! I've got people from Liverpool around me who sit on their hands all game.

Before I moved into the SKD Upper all those years ago, I used to stand on the Kop. I can tell anyone who wants to listen, the match day atmos died off pretty much in the mid 80s. We got pretty much used to winning games and titles without really having to sing much. When the titles stopped, we didnt have much to sing about apart from the 'big' league games and European nights.

Ive said it for years, there's too many moaners inside Anfield. It's great that fan groups like Spion Kop 1906 have finally done something regarding the atmos for the remaining home league games. I hope Bournemouth isnt just a one off.

Lots of European clubs have what I can only call a song 'conductor' to start chants and gee fans up during games. But, as with so many things, we are Liverpool and we dont do that sort of thing. Nah, we'd rather have at atmos like we had for Leicester! Sometimes, I just wish we as a fanbase would wake up and smell the coffee.

In the 70's domestic league games in Europe, fans used to take klaxons and air horns. That's all you heard in games. There was very little chanting. In the UK we had good atmos with singing and chanting even in the lower league. When our games were broadcast in Europe, the fans in Germany and other places started using English football chants. Now, you have great atmos in the bundesliga while many Prem grounds are like morgues.

Dont be shy, sing up at every home game!
 

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My impression was that the crowd was in good form for the first 10 minutes or so, then was developing a bit of a nervous edge with periods of relative quiet. Once the first goal was scored, the volume was stronger all the way through to the final whistle. It is that nervous edge that needs to disappear.
I really didn't get that. I was pitch level (L9 by the Kop) and that's where you get to feel what the players feel. I thought the goal came at the right time because a few more minutes and a bit of tension may have crept in but it really hadn't by that point. Second goal was a release. We all knew that was the critical one because in the last two games we'd blown a lead. From then on it was party time.

I don't think you can expect fans in the ground not to be nervous. It's nerve-wracking watching it on the telly and it's the same when you're there. What must be crushing for the players is the moans and groans when, for example, Henderson plays a square pass or Keita runs down a blind alley. That just creates a toxic situation where the players no longer feel they can play their normal game because they are worried about making a mistake. I wasn't at Leicester but that's the sort of thing I think VVD was referencing afterwards. We need to cut that out for the duration of this season.
 

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I really didn't get that. I was pitch level (L9 by the Kop) and that's where you get to feel what the players feel. I thought the goal came at the right time because a few more minutes and a bit of tension may have crept in but it really hadn't by that point. Second goal was a release. We all knew that was the critical one because in the last two games we'd blown a lead. From then on it was party time.

I don't think you can expect fans in the ground not to be nervous. It's nerve-wracking watching it on the telly and it's the same when you're there. What must be crushing for the players is the moans and groans when, for example, Henderson plays a square pass or Keita runs down a blind alley. That just creates a toxic situation where the players no longer feel they can play their normal game because they are worried about making a mistake. I wasn't at Leicester but that's the sort of thing I think VVD was referencing afterwards. We need to cut that out for the duration of this season.
The broadcast microphones will get quite a different sample sometimes, depending where they are set up. Agree absolutely about the timing of the goal cutting off the tension, just a different impression of where it was in that process. I should listen to the game again from about 5 minutes, there is no doubt in my mind that I was developing some nervousness myself, as Bournemouth had started well, so I am far from an objective judge.

I do fully expect fans to be nervous, it is a matter of how they translate that nervousness - making it into noise can make it a positive, and drowns out the moans and groans.
 

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I didn't detect any nervousness at any stage on saturday FWIW, even most of the negative ones who sit by me were encouraging the players for the whole 90. A couple of people who had an unnecessary moan were told to get behind the lads by others around them.

It was probably the best atmosphere of any league game I've been to this season (I've missed a couple due to work). Exactly how it should be and how I hope it will be for the remainder.
 

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That's what we need, or how a smaller group can influence in making a difference inside the whole ground, to be the beating heart. Let's not bring ourselves in a situation that Klopp needs to politely ask for an atmosphere and he does that very often when we have league afternoon games. Title race or not. But okay, especially since we're in it. If we want it so bad, we should also give our own "little" percentage into it. Players, staff and fans. Put our heart and soul into it and see where we are on May 12th.
 



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The same people lapping up the plaudits for the atmosphere should still be hanging their heads from the pathetic support they gave against Leicester.

I too dont get the 'tourist' insult. I've been to many a game where I was surrounded by locals who sat saying fuck all the whole game.

"Kopites are gobshites" is right sometimes.
 

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I didn't detect any nervousness at any stage on saturday FWIW, even most of the negative ones who sit by me were encouraging the players for the whole 90. A couple of people who had an unnecessary moan were told to get behind the lads by others around them.

It was probably the best atmosphere of any league game I've been to this season (I've missed a couple due to work). Exactly how it should be and how I hope it will be for the remainder.
I listened to the Anfield Wrap this evening during my run, and they had very much the same take on the atmosphere. It was therefore quite interesting to play the match back - without a doubt, the volume levels were lower from about 15 minutes until the goal. So my impression was not wrong, but it wasn't a good match with what was happening in the ground by any stretch.