- Oct 3, 2010
Every ground I've been to I've heard the library chant.
spot on! I'm in my early twenties and am struggling to afford tickets. I either have to grovel to family/friends to lend me their season tickets, or I have to cough up a huge amount of money from my already thin figure in my bank account.Money. That's the top and bottom of it. People who go to the match these days, and I mean throughout the the PL, are on average much older than back when there was a real atmosphere at most grounds. I've just come from the BBC site where there's yet another article on Mourinho, but it includes a photo of West Ham fans celebrating Carroll's winner last Saturday. Everyone in that photo looks grey-haired and middle aged. Clearly that's because they can afford to go and younger fellers, particularly the 16-19 group and young guys with kids, simply can't.
When the Kop was the Kop, it used to taunt the arl arses in the main stand. Every time fans were seen leaving early from the stands out would go the chant of "part time supporters". Yes, I know, among those crazy guys there were some who caused trouble and gave English football the terrible name that it had, but it was their energy that made the Kop what it was.
Unfortunately things aren't going to change much unless there is safe standing with much lower prices, and I don't see both of those things happening unless there is a vociferous national campaign that forces the clubs to take action. The clubs like things the way they are; affluent older fans paying inflated prices who aren't going to cause trouble and take football back to the problems of the past.
Oh and those pompous old farts in the Kop who tell other people what they can and can't do, really should wind their necks in.
Berbatov is a trequardisa, player who justs drifts around not doing anything, unseen than just pops up and scores the winning goal. You won't be seeing any of those with Klopp so no need to understand what it is or does.Trequardisa what, Rich? ? Who invented that one then? Never ever heard of it. Volante sounds something out of a Dean Martin song .
Aren't they on the official LFC site, supporters club sites, Fan blogs etc?re singing. How many people know the words to the songs, particularly those who go occasionally??? I dont mean YNWA or FOAR, I mean to Campione, Poor Scouser Tommy those type of songs. Penny to a pound day trippers and those who only go the game occasionally don't know them, so they couldn's sing even if they wanted too. That's part of the problem. Go an away game, be part of the travelling Kop and everyone sings, everyone stands, and the atmosphere generated is brilliant. To fix the home atmosphere it might be worth looking at the profile of the away supporters, and take it from there........
I think the songs and video probably are, but it doesn't seem like any/many say trippers or irregular attenders research before visiting. It's like they think that the atmosphere they are so keep to witness is just that, to witness, and not partake in. Frustrates the hell out of me being near people who have no clue that the atmosphere is shite because of their lack of noise, that theya re part of the problem, and who, when you do sing or shout look at you like you've pissed in their tea!! We no longer go home games, would rather travel miles and go the aways, proper atmosphere to be enjoyed then!Aren't they on the official LFC site, supporters club sites, Fan blogs etc?
With modern communication there is no reason for fans not to learn the songs.
Supporters clubs and the club could easily get together to hand out song sheets etc.
However singing isn't the only way to create noise and atmosphere, shouting, encouraging, clapping .... Even if your alien to football surely sitting in a stadium on a cold afternoon/evening a bit of clapping and a bit of shouting (yes!) would be good for the circulation.
I am officially banned from Craven Cottage due to standing during an Australia match last year when there was only 5K there and I was in the back row, so it's not like they can say I was blocking anyones viewThe stewards need to ease off on the fans. Last time I went to Anfield I stood up instinctively when we were in on goal with a chance of scoring and one of the stewards told us to sit down. Really mad when you think about it, can't remember that ever happening to me at any other ground. The culture around Premier League stadiums nowadays is you go to the match to be entertained and enjoy an experience rather than actually going to support your team and act a bit nuts in the process.
Would imagine the clamour for safe-standing is going to get more intense from most match going fans if grounds continue to get quieter.
This.. has struck a chord with me, it kind of reminds of an end of an era but the rebirth of a new dawn into the modern world but passing some of the old traditions to the new generation. Excellent historical account of what it was like in the early days and very thought provoking post.But the ghosts are still there, so you new lot make a bloody effort and stop whining and don't be the crowd "That only sings when its winning "
Really like your suggestions for improvement of atmosphere Kopstar,I've been fairly vocal about my annoyance at seeing fans leaving the game early recently. I strongly believe that as supporters - this is what we are, not consumers or spectators, which might indicate that we've bought the right to be entertained or are passive in our participation - it is our duty to do all that we can to help the team. Whether that be encouraging our players or intimidating the opposition, that's our role.
If you are lucky enough to get a ticket to a game you should do so in the knowledge that that is what is expected of you. This isn't a ticket to the theatre, it's a ticket to a colosseum of football in which you are one of the gladiators. Your ticket is what marks you out as a participant and if you're attending you'd better get your game face on. If you're not going to contribute to helping your team then you may as well just sit at home and watch it on the telly, you're no good to us at the game. Too many people who go to the game now are too restrained...too imbued with the service generation that says "I've paid for my ticket...now entertain me"...if they're not entirely passive then they are too often reactive rather than being prepared to be the catalyst. Fuck that. Be the R of the Anfield Roar. Be Feral, Be Raucous, Be Primal, Be Partisan and Uncouth...it's not only one of the few settings where it is still permissible it's NEEDED.
I appreciate the practical issues involved - we have lots of fans who may only ever get to experience Anfield once in their lifetime. They may be overawed by the whole occasion, with the exception of YNWA they are probably unfamiliar with the songs, they may be too busy trying to take in the atmosphere that they forget they ought to be contributing to it. There are also issues with many younger fans being priced out and this has had a detrimental effect on the atmosphere. So too has the fact that many season ticket holders hold onto their season tickets for too long (imo). I thought I'd just put a few ideas down as suggestions that might improve things (a few of them I have mentioned before)
I'm not a scouser. I've never lived in Liverpool. I fell in love with the club as a child of 6/7...all for the simple reason that it played in red. I had no idea where Liverpool was. I had Kevin Keegan's play better football card game. My early idols were Hansen, Nicol, Kenny, Craig Johnston...I felt a personal connection to Grobbelaar because I had relatives who were from Zimbabwe and had also fought in the war. I remember at the age of 8 someone gave me a pair of plastic shin pads with the United crest on - I cried. Then I threw them in the bin. I didn't really understand then the rivalry between the two clubs as I came to do later - but they weren't Liverpool shin pads so I wanted nothing to do with them.
Whenever I get to go to Anfield it's like a temple to me. I don't have relatives in whose steps I'm walking (my old man is a Wolves fan) but I feel intoxicated by the lore of the place. Supporting Liverpool has massively enriched my life; it's given me bloody knuckles, sore feet, stretched vocal chords...it's been responsible for missing dinner as a kid, parental rebukes, tears, laughter and, I'm sure, several undiagnosed heart attacks. It's made me feel alive on so many occasions during my 38 years that I'll be damned if I'm going to be in any way accountable for it dying.
Yeah it's good to see a decent atmosphere for a low key game, and in particular players being encouraged and supported rather than pressured.Just got back from the ground now, a few more observations/opinions from me.
The music right before kick off seemed to be extremely loud. Quickly got annoyed by that, and any chants that people tried to kick off were getting drowned out. Secondly, the ground was still pretty empty at 730. I know our fans don't tend to fill the Kop until the last minute, but hopefully a collective effort can be made to get in the ground earlier and create an atmosphere as soon as the players are out pre match.
Overall I was actually pleasantly surprised with it tonight. First time I've been that I wasn't surrounded by wet fish, around me people seemed well up for it and were supporting all of the players despite a few bad errors and dodgy performances first half.