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Dejan Lovren (CB) to AC Milan, Roma



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Any good senior defender who's available on a free ? The transfer window is shut. We can't get the likes of klavan even. Any defenders won't be able to play the high line with the impetus on pace that klopp expects.
I didn't mean now. I was talking about if the decision had been made to allow Lovren to move on (not without merit) you need to then bring someone in. The decision to allow Lovren to move on isn't the questionable decision. The decision to allow Lovren to move on without replacement is the questionable one. Some people are acting like people are arguing that Lovren in particular shouldn't be sold. There are two decisions. 1st should Lovren be moved on? 2nd should we go into a season with potentially over 60 competitive fixtures and wanting to compete for top honours with 3 senior CBs (1 or 2 injury prone), one of which is first back up at RB, a starting DM who can be dropped back whilst his alternative can play DM, a young CB with a handful of senior games in lesser league and a young promising defender yet to be trusted much by Klopp, is that enough?
 

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What baffles me is while Moreno and Sturridge were made clear about not having any role going forward, we would have mentioned the same to Lovren? That he'll be way down the pecking order?

Why is this coming out so late, when the transfer window for incomings is closed? Was he okay with it earlier and now suddenly thinks he should not be 4th choice? It isn't about clubs not showing interest as well, think Milan were linked with him before.

While Klopp does usually prefer to let players go if they want, for some like Coutinho we didn't allow till January. Which makes me think the trio of club - manager - player are all okay with this move.
 

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Fixed that for ya.

Yep so true. It gives me a sort of chilly feeling just recalling some of this shit. And makes me really appreciate the class we're getting in, in defense. Remember the old days of, we'll just score more!
 



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We're beyond half decent now though. Just won't cut the mustard.
I hear ya. But we are about to sign Andy Lonergan. At best he is 3rd or 4th choice but still, it’s an emergency option.
So if we signed a free agent from that list (and there’s some decent emergency cover for 4th/5th choice centre back) it would make sense. Rather than being ultra short.
 

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I hear ya. But we are about to sign Andy Lonergan. At best he is 3rd or 4th choice but still, it’s an emergency option.
So if we signed a free agent from that list (and there’s some decent emergency cover for 4th/5th choice centre back) it would make sense. Rather than being ultra short.
Lonergan is a one-off situation. Our number one is down for a while, so Adrian is coming in. Were everything normal, Kelleher would probably be the number two until Alisson gets back, but he's out. Or if it had happened in preseason, Grabara. Lonergan is a very temporary plaster that's just going to sit on the bench "in case of emergency" and is likely on a comparative pittance. A considerable amount of even more goalkeeper shite would need to hit the fan before he gets on the pitch.

(Actually, the fact they're not recalling Grabara from loan is probably a really good sign that Alisson's injury isn't as bad as people are worrying about.)
 

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Lonergan is a one-off situation. Our number one is down for a while, so Adrian is coming in. Were everything normal, Kelleher would probably be the number two until Alisson gets back, but he's out. Or if it had happened in preseason, Grabara. Lonergan is a very temporary plaster that's just going to sit on the bench "in case of emergency" and is likely on a comparative pittance. A considerable amount of even more goalkeeper shite would need to hit the fan before he gets on the pitch.

(Actually, the fact they're not recalling Grabara from loan is probably a really good sign that Alisson's injury isn't as bad as people are worrying about.)
True, but if Adrian gets injured tomorrow for a couple of months, all of a sudden we have Lonergan and an untried kid.
Judging by last season, Gomez and matip aren’t exactly immune from injuries so selling our 4th choice could quite quickly become an emergency situation.
 



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I’m absolutely fine with this, and the situation with Mangala at City (and Sane, though it’s a different position) shows that even the top clubs can’t keep decent players down the pecking order.

Klopp has shown over and over again he won’t let unhappy players stay and disrupt the squad.

I’m someone who has previously advocated playing Fabinho at Centre Back (through choice) as I think he is 1) probably one of the leagues best centre backs and 2) would provide a much more attacking outlet at Centre Back, stepping out from defence and allowing space for Klopp to get an extra attacker on the pitch. Against the bottom sides in the league, I’d like to see this.
 

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True, but if Adrian gets injured tomorrow for a couple of months, all of a sudden we have Lonergan and an untried kid.
So we’re supposed to have three good keepers in the squad?

Lonergan is supposedly in line for a two month contract to allow Kelleher to regain fitness in Alisson’s absence. When he’s done, Kelleher should be 100% and Alisson should be returning as well.
 

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Yeah, but if you play that game then we basically need to have a squad on cheat mode with infinite places and money. "Yeah, but what about if the backup to the backup gets injured, then what??"

Gomez and Matip, true, aren't immune from injuries. But a 30 year old mistake prone player (who's missed as much football as either Gomez or Matip, and always for the most random of reasons as opposed to Gomez who was literally kicked off the pitch last year) isn't really best suited as a replacement. I'd bet the mortgage that VVD would prefer Fabinho/Hoever/Sepp back there instead of Pebbles.
 

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Has Gini played at CB?
I am sure he has played there for us at some point, or was i dreaming?

maybe he can play the odd game there, if needed/desperate!
 



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So we’re supposed to have three good keepers in the squad?

Lonergan is supposedly in line for a two month contract to allow Kelleher to regain fitness in Alisson’s absence. When he’s done, Kelleher should be 100% and Alisson should be returning as well.
No, because goalkeeper injuries are not that common.
But central defenders get injured a lot more. To get rid of our 4th choice now, with no chance to replace, could be very costly.
We have very little cover for our front three, barely any for our fullbacks and only one for our centre backs (if lovren goes).
As for the post above suggesting we are not In cheat mode and no need to plan for back ups getting injured etc... I’m not saying we are in cheat mode. But our back ups are rapidly becoming kids and when you are looking at winning 30 league games to stand a chance for the title then that’s a risky game to take.
 

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£100k a week off the wage bill for a player who's fourth choice and we'd probably be getting rid of next summer anyway. And another £15m towards #mbappe2020.

Time for Hoever to show us what he's got.
 



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Against Wolves? Or was that right back?
Not sure, I didn't see that match, but I know he played.

I'm not against selling Lovren, I'm just not sure why so many are convinced that Hoever is the 4th choice CB elect.

I'm not knocking the lad, based on what I saw pre-season I'm more than happy to see him at RB as he seemed a natural fit there.

Just not sure where the evidence is that he's the obvious choice to replace Lovren.
 

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Sepp van den Berg is next in line at CB not Hoever.

As much as I like Hoever I think he needs to still grow a bit to play CB in First Team Level.
 

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Sepp van den Berg is next in line at CB not Hoever.

As much as I like Hoever I think he needs to still grow a bit to play CB in First Team Level.
I think the fact he's currently in the super cup squad and has been around the squad for a year already would suggest he's ahead of SvdB for the time being.

The stuff that's clearly been briefed to the local press also cites Hoever as the reason Klopp would be okay with Lovren leaving.

Time will tell but I'd be surprised if we see Sepp in the first team this season outside of the league cup.
 

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Against Wolves? Or was that right back?
He was centre back but I genuinely thought he was playing right back at the time because Camacho was nowhere to be seen defensively. Hoever played well though considering he was basically playing 2 positions at the same time. Not sure I'd be happy throwing into a Prem game at centre back yet though
 



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It would be crazy to sell lovren and especially for 15m, why would klopp be happy with two injury prone CB's and Virgil to compete in all competitions, if its true Klopp is a risk taker after letting Phillips leave also, Virgil could get injured or face a ban, we would be doomed, doomed i say.
 

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When Lovren leaves we will have 5 experienced defenders in our squad, one still a kid and a couple injury prone. We have a pretty brutal schedule between now and January.
You can talk all day about the likes of Hoever and van den Berg, or playing others out of position to fill in, but I think it's a fucking ludicrous situation that will cost us at some point over the next 4/5 months.
We've seen how quickly we can become down to the bones several times over the past few seasons and yet we've allowed 3 squad players to leave this summer without replacing any of them. It's fucking nuts however you dress it up.
 

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When Lovren leaves we will have 5 experienced defenders in our squad, one still a kid and a couple injury prone. We have a pretty brutal schedule between now and January.
You can talk all day about the likes of Hoever and van den Berg, or playing others out of position to fill in, but I think it's a fucking ludicrous situation that will cost us at some point over the next 4/5 months.
We've seen how quickly we can become down to the bones several times over the past few seasons and yet we've allowed 3 squad players to leave this summer without replacing any of them. It's fucking nuts however you dress it up.
Klopp’s no mug.

If Lovren wants away then you can be sure as fuck Klopp is ok with it.

Not saying this is what he he will do in the case of an emergency but it wasn’t that long ago he was talking about the possibility of using Lallana in the Fabinho position/role. That frees up Fabinho to slot into CB if we're up shit creek.

So, nah.. I wouldn’t worry myself about how the club will do without Lovren if he leaves, because if he does, you can be sure as shit Klopp will have a plan, probably two.
 

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Klopp’s no mug.

If Lovren wants away then you can be sure as fuck Klopp is ok with it.

Not saying this is what he he will do in the case of an emergency but it wasn’t that long ago he was talking about the possibility of using Lallana in the Fabinho position/role. That frees up Fabinho to slot into CB if we're up shit creek.

So, nah.. I wouldn’t worry myself about how the club will do without Lovren if he leaves, because if he does, you can be sure as shit Klopp will have a plan, probably two.
It's exactly that sort of thing I'm worried about. Moving specialist players out of position and replacing them with square pegs.