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Emre Can (MF) Juventus

Should LFC sell Can to Juventus?

  • Yes-for £30m for what has been a bench player and not a regular starter!

    Votes: 69 20.7%
  • No way-a young German national who was integral in our CL qualification this year and has potential

    Votes: 264 79.3%

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scouseheadross

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If he can fail to really push on under a great manager \ developer like Klopp, I wonder whether he will drift wherever he ends up next. It feels like you'd have to be on top of his slightly lazy and arrogant streaks.
 


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If he is to leave us, I think it would only be for City. No upside, financially or sporting wise to go to Utd or Juve. I mean, PSG, Barca, RM also viable destinations but there has been no link to them.

I would not at this stage rule out that he stays though nor that he will wait til season has ended to make a final decision.
 

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If he is to leave us, I think it would only be for City. No upside, financially or sporting wise to go to Utd or Juve. I mean, PSG, Barca, RM also viable destinations but there has been no link to them.

I would not at this stage rule out that he stays though nor that he will wait til season has ended to make a final decision.
Strange comments coming from Juventus-supporting Italian media about an alleged ultimatum that Juventus hierarchy gave Can to speed up signing that pre-contract agreement with them... Maybe it does suggest that there is interest from elsewhere. Maybe Bayern, mainly because of their proclivity to sign every German international out there, eh...

Half-joking aside, if it's not Juventus, I think it's some German club. All four of Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig and Schalke will be looking to sign some sort of defensive/central midfielder this summer, I could see him at any of them. At Juventus, I still think he'd be a utility player, a right-sided centre back or an option for midfield. I really don't see him going to Man City (they are targeting different types of midfielders anyway - unless Guardiola wishes to convert him to a centre back, that is...) or Man United (he's not tactically disciplined enough to dislodge Matić from the starting XI, nor agile/mobile enough to provide link between him and Pogba).

Staying at Liverpool would perhaps be the best for him unless he can get a genuine first XI role in a better side (i.e. Juventus or Bayern) but I think Klopp has reached a point where he's not that fussed with Can leaving, as long as he can get Keita and his first choice dynamic, controlling no. 6™. Can has been acting professionally so far, doing his best, even though his best is far from him being a footballing equivalent of Rolls-Royce. Hopefully he remains like that until the end of his contract with Liverpool, I'd be extremely surprised to see him staying beyond this summer.
 

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I hope it's an amicable split and there's no last minute change of heart from Emre when we have a better player all but on the plane over. He would be well advised to put out the signal that he was more indispensable than he really was at LFC. A German side will probably get more from him than other countries IMO.
 



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Unless its bayern it would be a downgrade moving to any team in Germany. Less chances of winning something in Germany than with Liverpool.

Probably off to juve and he may not be the best midfielder in the world but he would be a solid squad player for any team in the world, especially being free.
 

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I'm still not sure whether I want him to go or not.

On the one hand, this squad is looking pretty good already. If we were to keep all of our outfield players who've been heavily involved this year and then add 3 more really good ones, we'd be in a very strong position. It's hard to imagine how we'd regress in that scenario and the likelihood is we take another step or two forward.

On the other, Can leaving opens up the possibility of us going big on a genuine upgrade on him. He's a good player Can but there are certainly better ones out there.

So yeah, it could work in our favour either way provided we got our recruitment right. I'm not sure which options is preferable actually. The latter potentially raises our ceiling, but the former is absolutely fine too even if it is the safer approach.
 

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Good news that he put all negotiations on hold until the end of the season. Already proved that he gives his best as long as he is here. So there won‘t be distractions when he makes and announces a decision.

Maybe our fans could make him sign a new contract by dedicating him a song.
 

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Good news that he put all negotiations on hold until the end of the season. Already proved that he gives his best as long as he is here. So there won‘t be distractions when he makes and announces a decision.

Maybe our fans could make him sign a new contract by dedicating him a song.
You mean so that he won't get a mountain of hate as he signs for one of our rivals more likely
 

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Good news that he put all negotiations on hold until the end of the season. Already proved that he gives his best as long as he is here. So there won‘t be distractions when he makes and announces a decision.

Maybe our fans could make him sign a new contract by dedicating him a song.
Finishing 2nd and lifting the Champs League title will be a far better convincing point than a song.... :)
 



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You mean so that he won't get a mountain of hate as he signs for one of our rivals more likely
I have to say, the lack of movement is oddly suspicious. It might well point to him planning on a domestic move. Maybe he is just playing hardball with a us and/or a continental side. And maybe he just genuinely doesn't want to spend energy making such a decision during the business end of the season. But the third possibility seems increasingly possible.
 

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I have to say, the lack of movement is oddly suspicious. It might well point to him planning on a domestic move. Maybe he is just playing hardball with a us and/or a continental side. And maybe he just genuinely doesn't want to spend energy making such a decision during the business end of the season. But the third possibility seems increasingly possible.
Probably signed for Arsenal and now embarrassed to admit as much. Or West ham lollol
 

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I have to say, the lack of movement is oddly suspicious. It might well point to him planning on a domestic move. Maybe he is just playing hardball with a us and/or a continental side. And maybe he just genuinely doesn't want to spend energy making such a decision during the business end of the season. But the third possibility seems increasingly possible.
Andy Hunter (TAW) reckons he's just bought a new house in Formby!
 

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So, Everton it is then.
Honestly I'm just a bit baffled by his (apparent) desire to leave. I mean, why would you? I could understand it if he wasn't getting a look-in, but he's virtually a fixture in the side.

I could in a way understand a move to Juve, from the point of view of wanting to experience football in a different culture and country, and doing so while playing for such a venerable, prestigious club in a cracking city. But if he does move to a PL rival, unless it's Man City then I'd be genuinely baffled.
 



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@lfcrealtalk

Emre Can finally realising that Liverpool Football Club is headed places with Klopp and is apparently house hunting in Liverpool. Very good news.
8:41 AM - 8 Mar 2018

Perhaps he's decided that a release clause ain't that important.
Not sure how to express this, but if true could be a massive sign from the club or negotiating team in their willingness to stand firm over the clause.

Of course may not be true, or they may have backed Dow or offered silly money bit will be interesting to find out
 

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Not sure how to express this, but if true could be a massive sign from the club or negotiating team in their willingness to stand firm over the clause.

Of course may not be true, or they may have backed Dow or offered silly money bit will be interesting to find out
I would be very surprised if the club have changed their position on that. Shocked, in fact.

A couple of other random thoughts. Anybody else notice the extra enthusiastic embrace along with a little word in the ear from Klopp for Can after the Porto game? Maybe just me, but I thought to myself at the time, "I just wonder if something hasn't shifted there." Not long after, the rumors started that Can was house hunting. Secondly, is it me, or do Mane and Can look a lot happier since Coutinho left? Both seem to be really enjoying their football these days. Coincidence, maybe, but then again, maybe not.
 



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I would be very surprised if the club have changed their position on that. Shocked, in fact.
I would not be surprised if they found a win win compramies. Both sides are probably unsure if whatever Can wants becomes a new norm in negotiations. Just a thought .
 

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I doubt he is getting the mega offers that his agent expected from running down his contract. He is in that in between place where he is a very good player but he is not top class, mainly because he isn't consistently good. That's a problem for anyone thinking about offering him huge money. You are stuck with him on the books for at least 4 years if you do that as nobody will take him off your hands. I hope he does stay but if he doesn't, it's a bad sign of his character that he ran down his contract anyway.
 

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I doubt he is getting the mega offers that his agent expected from running down his contract. He is in that in between place where he is a very good player but he is not top class, mainly because he isn't consistently good. That's a problem for anyone thinking about offering him huge money. You are stuck with him on the books for at least 4 years if you do that as nobody will take him off your hands. I hope he does stay but if he doesn't, it's a bad sign of his character that he ran down his contract anyway.
Why? He's honoured it to the full hasn't he? What about the frees we pick up? Milner, Matip? Is that a bad sign for their character and if not, why not? Do you mean a player leaving us can only be ok if he's viewed as surplus to requirements and that we don't really want or need him? Because if a player gets sold and leaves and we want him then he's a prick and if a player doesn't leave and honours his contract but we want him then his character is iffy. So basically its our way or you're a prick. Right got it.
 

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Why? He's honoured it to the full hasn't he? What about the frees we pick up? Milner, Matip? Is that a bad sign for their character and if not, why not? Do you mean a player leaving us can only be ok if he's viewed as surplus to requirements and that we don't really want or need him? Because if a player gets sold and leaves and we want him then he's a prick and if a player doesn't leave and honours his contract but we want him then his character is iffy. So basically its our way or you're a prick. Right got it.
Yeah, all of the above. Do I think that players can be mercenaries and still be of value to the club - yes I do. But they won't be as valuable as players who give it their all for the team because they love the club. Maybe, my views are antiquated as I grew up watching football in the 80s but I am not alone - Brendan Rodgers used to say that in the long run, 'the player who holds out for a little bit more money tends to let you down in the long run'. That's a direct quote from him.
 



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Why? He's honoured it to the full hasn't he? What about the frees we pick up? Milner, Matip? Is that a bad sign for their character and if not, why not? Do you mean a player leaving us can only be ok if he's viewed as surplus to requirements and that we don't really want or need him? Because if a player gets sold and leaves and we want him then he's a prick and if a player doesn't leave and honours his contract but we want him then his character is iffy. So basically its our way or you're a prick. Right got it.
You are really defending the boy.. Milner was clearly surplus to requirements, played out of position (when he got gametime).. He wasn't given assurances over game time and let his contract run down. Shalke clearly have something wrong with their contracts, they have had a raft of players leave on free's (Matip, Meyer, , Kolašinac, Goretzka etc).. Neither are comparable with Can - Who has been offered a good wage, is being given regular game time (in his preferred position), yet is asking for a release clause which the club are right to decline it sets a dangerous precedent which is irreversible. Why does he want a release clause? Why would a player committed here want one?
 
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Why? He's honoured it to the full hasn't he? What about the frees we pick up? Milner, Matip? Is that a bad sign for their character and if not, why not? Do you mean a player leaving us can only be ok if he's viewed as surplus to requirements and that we don't really want or need him? Because if a player gets sold and leaves and we want him then he's a prick and if a player doesn't leave and honours his contract but we want him then his character is iffy. So basically its our way or you're a prick. Right got it.
i think he means it shows a selfishness . Milner had told city that he wanted to leave for a chance to play central midfield and for more regular first team football about a year before he left . not sure about matip but he's had a few injury issues .. dunno if that was an issue previously ?

emre won't commit to saying he wants to stay or go - i mean surely he knows ? has he been to the arsene wenger school of communicating with supporters ? lol wouldn't you like him to declare his intentions ?
 

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Yeah, all of the above. Do I think that players can be mercenaries and still be of value to the club - yes I do. But they won't be as valuable as players who give it their all for the team because they love the club. Maybe, my views are antiquated as I grew up watching football in the 80s but I am not alone - Brendan Rodgers used to say that in the long run, 'the player who holds out for a little bit more money tends to let you down in the long run'. That's a direct quote from him.
Not sure quoting Brendan Rodgers is going to be your strongest suit ;)
If that is a direct quote, could you please share the source because I was curious about the context? I have looked briefly and can't find it, and since you gave it as a direct quote, I was hoping you could pass it on.

If you are wanting players to give all for the club because they love the club, well, then sadly I think your views truly are antiquated (as are mine because I grew up in the 80s). That's not life these days... at least not for 95% of the players (yes I made up the number 95% but it's what I could see being reasonable). It's just not. I know we'd love to have a team full of Carraghers and Gerrards, but that's not life. In the 80s, we had a ton of players wanting to come and love the shirt... many of them because we won everything. Everyone wants to be part of the best team, and that was Liverpool. It's akin to people wanting to go to Man City now, or Man Utd a few years ago.... or Barcelona and Real Madrid.

Some players always play with more heart than others, it's just how some are... but if they fight tooth and nail for Liverpool this year, and get transferred next year.... they'll fight just as hard for their new club.

Getting back to Emre. If he fulfills his contract, then I have absolutely no problems with his character. Fulfilling ones duties (as he has) shows good character. Now, if you are wanting him to sign a new contract so we can make money off him, well that's something else.... and in the end there is no reason for him to do that on a personal level. This is his profession... his job is to make money now so he and his family can have an easier life.
 

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Getting back to Emre. If he fulfills his contract, then I have absolutely no problems with his character. Fulfilling ones duties (as he has) shows good character. Now, if you are wanting him to sign a new contract so we can make money off him, well that's something else.... and in the end there is no reason for him to do that on a personal level. This is his profession... his job is to make money now so he and his family can have an easier life.
Summed up perfectly well. He didn't want to sign the extension and asking for more money, that's something all of us would do. Not like he down tools and not wanting to play until the summer.
 

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You are really defending the boy.. Milner was clearly surplus to requirements, played out of position (when he got gametime).. He wasn't given assurances over game time and let his contract run down. Shalke clearly have something wrong with their contracts, they have had a raft of players leave on free's (Matip, Meyer, , Kolašinac, Goretzka etc).. Neither are comparable with Can - Who has been offered a good wage, is being given regular game time (in his preferred position), yet is asking for a release clause which the club are right to decline it sets a dangerous precedent which is irreversible. Why does he want a release clause? Why would a player committed here want one?
Yes, and why not? His character is being called into question and lets be honest, nobody here really knows the ins and outs of what goes on and the same goes for Schalke.

i think he means it shows a selfishness . Milner had told city that he wanted to leave for a chance to play central midfield and for more regular first team football about a year before he left . not sure about matip but he's had a few injury issues .. dunno if that was an issue previously ?

emre won't commit to saying he wants to stay or go - i mean surely he knows ? has he been to the arsene wenger school of communicating with supporters ? lol wouldn't you like him to declare his intentions ?
One cannot cherry pick one or another and give extenuating reasons based on some reporting that may or may not have been imagined up. Milner left and gets booed by City supporters when we play them. So his character is up for debate amongst them, not so?

If a player is running down a contract and not being arsed then you can call that into question. For all his faults, real and perceived, Çan cannot be accused of not trying his best when he pulls on the shirt. On some occasions that best has not been good but not for a lack of effort. He has put in his shift, been professional and kept his head down without getting mysterious back problems during a transfer window (I appreciate the current irony) and he js honouring his contract faithfully till its end. Why call his character into question because he hasn't made his mind up?
 



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