Is this our best-ever team?

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Has to be doesn't it? We keep clean sheets for fun. We score goals by the bucket load. We have an absolutely fantastic manager, big Virg has to be our best CB, Becker our best 'keeper, Hendo is a magnificent captain and player, the front 3 are all unbelievable and we win almost every game. European and World champions and soon to be confirmed as champions of England blowing a very decent City out of the water.

There is room for development aswell. I really think this is the best-ever Liverpool team, I really do. 100 points out of 102 is quite frankly astonishing. We are without a doubt more consistent than any other Liverpool team that has gone before.

So, what does everyone else think?
 
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Born in 1992 and it’s easily the best team I’ve seen in my lifetime. It’s always hard to compare eras what with the development of fitness regimes, sports science, analytics etc. Looking back to the 70’s/80’s I’m sure some would argue there is a team that man for man were as good, but as a collective I’m not sure they’d beat these over the course of an entire season even if you gave them the advantages a modern day player has.
 

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It's certainly the best I've seen since I started supporting in the mid-90s... truth be told, it's not even close.

But I expect those that have been following us will point to the '87 team and the great team Kenny played in in the 70s as credible challengers.

Just a big a question is, come the end of his reign, where will Klopp sit in our pantheon of managerial greats? I would think he'll end up on the podium alongside Shankly and Paisley, if things continue as they are doing.
 

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I am thinking now yes, because this league is much more tougher than say 30 years ago. Football has become more technical, more sophisticated, the players are the fittest athletes and their stamina is phenomenal. They eat better, their fitness, injury and recovery regimes are much stricter. A bottom table team has the capability of beating one of the top 4. I think we play more games than before. Please correct me if I am wrong.

ETA: My golden era, when growing up was the 1980s, when it Dalglish, Souness, Kennedy, Barnes and McDermott etc.

This new breed of players under Klopp's era are on another level.
 
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Best I've watched (since 2000), sure. However, I needed at least one major trophy to confirm it.

Best of all times? I don't usually like these comparisons, too many different eras. Depends also if we want to get into more detail, what are we talking about, etc.

Put it this way - we'll surely win multiple trophies since last and in the next few years. Question is how much and which ones. Let them continue a bit more in this way and collect more stuff, then some older fans will be able to compare more.

Let's not forget we've had serial winning sides, defending titles multiple times, etc. If we're talking overall.
 

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In more recent history, without a doubt. Longer term...well I'm in no way qualified to speak about the teams of the 70s/80s. It'll be interesting to see what our older (and of course, wiser) posters think.

I will say that comparisons are difficult at the best of times and I'm hesitant to make them. Really though, the current team are only just hitting the peak of their powers. If this group of players stick together for the forseeable future and keep winning things, they'll have to have a significant claim on the "best ever" title.
 

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In my time supporting Liverpool (almost twenty years), yes, without any doubt. It would be foolish of me to call it the best ever Liverpool team because I didn't witness the sides of 70s and 80s, who not only had some of the best players in Europe but also managed to sustain that insane level of success. That's what this side needs to do in order to be rightfully seen as the greatest ever Liverpool side.

I don't want to sound childish or arrogant or disrespectful or challenge every devil and bad luck to strike upon Klopp and these lads. I'm not a superstitious person but Liverpool cha(lle)nge every bit of logic and reasoning I've developed in my head, and that why I rarely say anything positive about Liverpool, Klopp and the players. I've simply been burnt too many times by multiple narrow misses and subsequent disintegrations of every Liverpool side I've witnessed (and it's nine years and a day since Torres left - and I'm not getting over that ever) - to the point that I once convinced myself that Liverpool will never win Champions League or Premier League ever again.

What I can safely say, though, is that, if Liverpool win the title this season, Klopp will be Bill Shankly's equivalent of my time for everything he's done so far to revitalise the club. The parallels are uncanny, even if trophy tallies aren't. Klopp bringing in two biggest trophies in the world and a couple of "smaller" ones in just two seasons is what this club used to be about but he did some things that Rafa or Kenny weren't able to and that is changing the complete mindset of the club and its fans, as well as helping upgrade the infrastructure of the club, starting with stadium expansion and common training facilities for all Liverpool selections, not to mention unifying those who run the club from behind the scenes.

That kind of progressive thinking I saw with Rafa but he never got the support he needed but I don't think he'd ever bother to change the way Liverpool fans dealt with emotions of supporting the club like Klopp did. I loved Rafa because of that and I love Klopp because of the opposite - it's a paradox but refer to the second paragraph of this post... Kenny in his second spell and Rodgers unfortunately didn't come even close to Rafa, let alone Klopp.

As for the selection of players, no Liverpool team since Kenny's resignation comes even close to this one. Some players did/do have slight wobbles in form this season but this is a side littered with top class players, some of them among the best three in their respective roles, some of them outright best. What's really important is that they've worked as a proper team for past two years, almost as a functional family at times. Nothing can beat that feeling, watching them and thinking "how on Earth did we end up with some of the best players in the world, and some of the finest human beings among them". I'm a religious person and I've been taught that God doesn't act on merit but by mercy and was He merciful to Liverpool fans over the course of the last two seasons...

I really hope this can last for the next four, five, six years, not just because of the club or fans or players but mainly because of Klopp. I'm desperate for him to win as many trophies as possible with Liverpool because I can't see him going back on his word and managing in his sixties, which his next job would probably require him to (if he sees out his contract at Liverpool). I also hope club can find him a worthy successor - it would be foolish to think about that person as the modern equivalent of Bob Paisley but I will hope it will be the final similarity between Klopp's and Shankly's era.
 

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I saw us in the old 2nd division and I have seen nothing like this group of players. It’s a yes from me.

I do worry though how long this can last. JK looks to have aged 10 years in the last 4. He can’t carry on with that level of pressure. It is taking its toll on him.
 

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We will never know for sure...

What I would say is going a season winning every game is a one off thing. But a thing of marvel.
But that Liverpool team of the 70s and 80s were rampant. Title after title. Europe as well.
It’s a different sport now. So for me it’s hard to say.
I do think that if we gifted Liverpool of the 80s some of the chances we currently give away then Barnes and rush would have gobbled them up. But this team doesn’t know when it’s beaten.
I’m going to go for a 3-3 draw.
 

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it seems like it but when you see and remember some of those LFC teams with the likes of Barnes, Beardsley, Rush ... in them you have to have second thoughts. It certainly is an emmense mixture of talent and characters but we have had teams of similar caliber before imo Just have to take the time to watch them again to realise.
 

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As the sports develop and gets better and more professional, its hard to compare teams from different decades. If the team we have today would have played against the teams we had in the 70s or 80s, at a time where players where not as professional as now, I think its safe to say the Liverpool of 2019/20 would have won fairly comfortable.

With that as a premise, I would say we need to compare the Liverpool team of today and the 70s&80s against its opposition. How does/did the team perform against what was put in front of them.

Given the team of 2019/20 seem to break all sorts of records, I would argue that this season will be the best in the clubs history (if we manage to see out the season in this manner).

However, the teams of the past won trophies every year over a long period of time. So for the LIverpool team of 2019/20 to go down as the best Liverpool team in histroy, seasons like last year (Champions League win and a record high point tally for the club in the Premier League) and this year needs to happen over an extended period of time.
 

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It's too early to call in my opinion. Great teams of the past went in the history books not only by playing great seasons for a year or two, but by winning trophies in a consistent way, over a longer period. A great team stamps down it's mark on it's respective decade.

That has to be the goal of this current team. The chances are that they might succeed to do this, but we are not there yet by a long shot. Let's first win nr. 19, and then see how the lads do in the next years. Other clubs won't lie down, they'll want to find solutions against us, and our lads will have to improve year by year on their current level. That's the challenge they are presented with.

In a couple of years we might be able to have a serious discussion about this topic, but right now, it's too early for it in my opinion.
 

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Has to be doesn't it? We keep clean sheets for fun. We score goals by the bucket load. We have an absolutely fantastic manager, big Virg has to be our best CB, Becker our best 'keeper, Hendo is a magnificent captain and player, the front 3 are all unbelievable and we win almost every game. European and World champions and soon to be confirmed as champions of England blowing a very decent City out of the water.

There is room for development aswell. I really think this is the best-ever Liverpool team, I really do.

So, what does everyone else think?
It's absurd, but as I've been saying all season, we're not actually always playing THAT well. Our league record is absolutely freakish. I suppose that's what great champions do, they just keep winning.

Frode Kippe, a Lillestrøm legend that played for Liverpool in the 90s for a spell, told me once what it felt like to play against Rosenborg, the most-winning Norwegian club, when they were in their pomp in the late 90s. His take sums up Liverpool of today, really. He told me "the games we had against them were strange, we usually came off the pitch wondering how we'd lost. The matches were usually tight, often we felt we had the edge, but then they just scored a goal. Then the match continued in the same way, and then they scored yet again. It was maddening."
 

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It's difficult to make a judgement on that, it's like comparing racehorses from different generations. Was Arkle better than Desert Orchid etc. Teams (or horses), can only beat the best of their generation. As with training racehorses, there are many things that have changed, fitness being a prime example. What would those past players be like if they had the routine and medical / tactical analysis that these players / management have today?

We have an awesome side and it's not the best it can be, so sit tight, because I firmly believe there is more to come. The whole setup excites me. The vision and support from the owners, the training staff and manager, the 'team' ethos, the quality of players and the youth. This is a real solid team from top to bottom and one that others can only be jealous of.

Sit tight for the ride, because it's far from over.
 

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Best ever? Don’t know.

But IMO better than our 2005 team and even better than a combined squad from the last 20 years.
 

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It's too early to call in my opinion. Great teams of the past went in the history books not only by playing great seasons for a year or two, but by winning trophies in a consistent way, over a longer period. A great team stamps down it's mark on it's respective decade.

That has to be the goal of this current team. The chances are that they might succeed to do this, but we are not there yet by a long shot. Let's first win nr. 19, and then see how the lads do in the next years. Other clubs won't lie down, they'll want to find solutions against us, and our lads will have to improve year by year on their current level. That's the challenge they are presented with.

In a couple of years we might be able to have a serious discussion about this topic, but right now, it's too early for it in my opinion.
I'm not sure it's possible any more. At least not in the way United did it.

The big question mark for me comes next season. We know this has been a long wait, and the hurt of last year and the last 30 years has certainly played some part in this winning run. So Im looking forward to seeing if they have the same hunger next season after they know they've finally done it. And potentially on the back of the greatest football season ever' which will be close to impossible to replicate.
 

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It's looking that way, but comparisons like this are so flawed and unfair.

How would this group perform on ploughed fields, with no help from dietitians or sports psychologists?

How would the team from 88 perform on immaculate pitches with the help of dietitians or sports psychologists?
 

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It's really unfair to compare different teams playing in such different situations. However, I never thought I'd see a team to equal the 80s teams with Kenny, Rush, Souness, Barnes etc, but you'd have to say that this team are that good. No one had ever been 22 points clear at the top of the league. This season's performance is unparalleled. Even scarier for the rest is that it feels like we can get even better.
 

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Questions of quality will probably always revolve more around personal opinion, perspective and taste than anything else so I don't think there can be a definitive answer that way.

You can however look and see on performances, trophies, wins and such to be able to say which is the most successful team, which to me isn't quite the same question.

I think the way this season is going we might have a danger of this team having the most successful league campaign ever and wiping the floor with any of our past records/teams on that front.

But to be one of our most successful sides it's too early even if we win a double or treble this year. But it's looking really good.

To be there we probably need a period of sustained success over at least a 5 year and probably a ten year period. This will only be end of year 3 in my opinion. Two years ago making the final of CL was an appropriate soft start/prologue to a period of dominance and success followed up by an exceptional 2nd place league campaign and CL win. This season is clearly looking like a great one for the record books. Over the next 3-6 years after this one we would need to win major honours most seasons for me to be able to put this down as one of our great teams. But I think we will. At the start of a special period for us.
 

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The balance of this team matches the 1978/79 squad which ended up with our best ever Goal Difference of 69. In a season where we conceded fewer and scored more than the previous seasons by quite a bit. That team ran at 'only' 2.33 pts per game though.
Which means after 25 games: 59 points.
Was Forest under Clough as tough a rival as City under Pep? Similar I'd say. The pitches and training facilities and diet and poor professionalism by modern standards and having no VAR were all levellers. Far more fortune was involved so you could argue we should add more points to that total making a completely invented total of 65. Still 8 short.
 

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Funnily enough , I said to the (French) Father-in-Law last night after our second half performance , that this was the best Liverpool side I'd ever seen . I started supporting about 1974 and remember well all those great sides , and just how untouchable we were at the time.

But for me , three things nail it ;

1) Stats don't lie ...... just look at the table. This run of results might never be seen again.

2) Man for man ........ those Liverpool teams of yesteryear contained some great players. This one is absolutely stuffed with them. The back five and the front three could all be considered 'world class' , and some of them indeed the world's best. While the midfield operates at a level almost metronomic in it's consistent brilliance , seemingly regardless of who actually plays there.

3) The competition ........ City (and Guardiola) were being hailed for the last two years as the greatest side ever assembled. As of this morning they sit 22 points behind us.

Of course , consistency is the key and the team can't really lay claim to greatness until this type of dominance translates across a few seasons. But does anyone really doubt that Klopp and co. aren't going to kick on from here , sign even better players and make us stronger.

We're on the brink of something truly special , and after a wait of thirty long years , there is all the more reason to savour it now.
 

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'Greatest' ever is all about achievement and this team hasn't yet had the full opportunity to match the successes of the great teams of the past. It is the best Liverpool team I've seen, player for player and as a collective, and by some distance. It has the world's best keeper, the world's best back 4, the best front 3 and a midfield that perfectly compliments both attack and defence.

If you were an opposition manager I don't know how you'd plan to play against us because you go into a game knowing you're definitely going to concede and that it's unlikely you'll score. If you defend from the front then we'll pass it round you, go low and narrow then you've got the best attacking full backs in the world bombing up and down the flanks all game, go low and wide and we'll find the spaces, push up and we'll go over the top. Even if you do everything perfectly no other team scores more goals from set pieces. And don't think we'll relieve the pressure by taking pot shots. This team is all about creating high percentage chances and suffocating the opposition.

If you pass it out from the back we'll press you to death, it you go long you're giving us heading practice. If you win a corner we are more likely to score from it than you are. We can play on the counter or we can complete 900 passes in a game. We've got tactics for every opponent. You can't out run us or out fight us because the players are physically strong and tough but also agile and athletic. And if that's not enough it's all underpinned by an unreal mentality. No matter how much you want to win we will always want to win a little bit more than you do. This is just about the perfect football team.