Istanbul or Madrid, which one resonates more with you=Vote

which final means more to you and why

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Darrel3000

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So this is a question many of you are wrestling with already. I'm gonna go with Istanbul, because it was such an epic comeback that has become part of Liverpool folklore, and no one expected us to win, including many fans, just look back at the forums during that time. this time we ALL expected the win and rightly so. Jerzy dudek went from villan to hero and is my co MOM with Gerrard.

that day I was hosting two scousers on holiday n NYC (the Owens), we were an hour early for the official LFCNY pub, 11th street Bar, but it was already packed, so we ended up at the famous/infamous Nevada Smith's and relegated to the basement with AC Milan fans who all occupied the booths, so we were left to find a spot standing in front the big screen. I found myself screaming at the tv all match long, helping Rafa with the coaching as it were. in fact i called the smicer goal 1 second before it happened, "SHOOT THE BALL" the Owens will vouch for that. needless to say lost most of my pints during the second half, but got to see a bunch of AC Milan fans crying. everyone in thebooth i stood next too was giving me the evil eye, as if to say, "its your fault". after the match we went over the 11th street where i introduced them to the club faithful got them some LFCNY t shirts, and they gave me one they brought from Liverpool, I still Have it.

SO yeah, fond memories.

PS: if any of the first 4 cup winning matches resonates most with you, please comment why.
 
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For me Madrid, just barely. I just think that the quality of the current team really deserved to win something, while the team in Istanbul had numerous gaps in quality. What I am trying to say is that if we had lost in Istanbul, I would have understood as I didn’t think they had the quality to accomplish what they did, while if we lost in Madrid, I would have been devastated as this team has shown how good they are, and they really deserved to win something.

The win in Istanbul is obviously more amazing, which is why it’s the miracle of Istanbul.
 

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Had to pick Madrid because I wasn't around as a fan until after Istanbul.

That said, what's important about Madrid is that it's clearly the beginning of something. I came on board in 2006, after the World Cup, and while we reached another Champions League final and we ran United close once in the League, the feeling was always that we just needed one or two more pieces to be complete. Also, the fact that the team from 2005 wasn't even around as a collective after a couple of years shows how it was more of a fluke than a launching off point.

For this squad, this is clearly just the beginning. We aren't missing any pieces to compete. We're already one or the finest sides in Europe. We can repeat as champions. We can win the League. The sky is the limit for this group we have together and it's clear this won't be the only trophy they collect in the next 3 years.
 

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Both are important steps in club history and both had unbelievable comebacks against some of the best clubs.
Just like how you can't have a favorite among your children or pick a favorite eye, it's impossible to pick Istanbul or Madrid.
 

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Id prefer not to choose.
Istanbul was magical, a massive 45 minute downer, followed by the best 90 minutes of my football supporting life.
But if forced to choose, it would be Madrid.
The reasoning behind this is as follows.

Our league position, coupled with the financial power of Chelsea were good indicators that we had over achieved somewhat, and it was going to be really difficult and highly unlikely that we'd become a real force in the foreseeable future.

Madrid on the other hand, seems almost like a consolation prize for the season we've just had.
It's not obviously, it's a fantastic achievement in it's own right, but it is an idicator of where we are as a club from top to bottom.

I didn't expect much after Istanbul, although Athens was great it was again non indicative of where we were as a club.
But this feels different.
I do expect us to be challenging for the league title and Champions League next season.
So in a nutshell, Madrid because it has laid down a massive marker.
 

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Madrid because there was a whole lot more to lose psychologically if the result had gone against us. In Istanbul there was diddley squat at stake. At half time, everything made perfect sense to me. I remember thinking 0-4 would be a creditable scoreline from there and a perfectly reasonable rounding off of that season, really.
I'm already looking forward to Istanbul II, because we have a chance of the double.
 
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Like trying to ask me my favourite meal.

Favourite takeaway is Chinese favourite home cooked meal is the family traditional Sunday Roast. Both awesome.

Depending on my mood I may emotions of one match over the other at any given time but both are special to me and couldn't pick one victory over the other.

05 was more about the game on the night though I guess whereas 19 has been more about the campaign, or even season, as a whole. So on that shallow basis I'd go for 05 as the most impact for a match but 19 as the season that had the biggest impact.
 

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Both incredible of course, but I don't think Istanbul can ever be beaten for me - that's despite my being in the stadium on Saturday rather than at work during Istanbul (was working as a glass collector in a pub though - so just stood around and watched the match anyway)!

Istanbul was the first I'd seen, and I don't think I'd even contemplated ever seeing Liverpool play in a CL final, let alone actually win it. We were huge underdogs and the comeback was just insane.
 

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Like many Reds around the world i fell in love with the Club after Istanbul.

With the internet, social media and the world wide broadcasts of football nowadays i think much more kids than 14 years ago fell in love with Liverpool after the Barca game and the final in Madrid. That's a beautiful thing to know.

750.000 fans at the parade after winning the CL.
Emotionally a League title would mean even more to us at the moment.
So is it possible that we will be 1 millions Red at a League winner parade in the next two years?
 

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Out of the two, it has to be Istanbul for me. The scenario of that game, being underdogs and clawing the trophy away from Milan like that, the biggest team at that moment... it was out of this world really.

Contrarily to @Dane, I thought at the time that we were on the brink of greatness again. Hindsight proved me wrong, but only because Moores had the genius idea to sell the club to these two cunts in 2007, just when we were on the rise. Otherwise, we'd have done it I think. The final in Athens in 2007 is proof of that, we should have won it against a Milan side which we dominated. But in 2005, it was pure overachievement indeed to be in the final, and then to lift the trophy in that manner!

Oh the joy, the pure and unmitigated joy of that moment when Dudek saved Shevchenko's shot, when the players sprinted towards him... it was unbelievable, still my best football moment by far.


Madrid on the other hand is very different, it's a confirmation of our continued rise over the last year. Not winning anything until this moment was already a travesty in itself: four finals since Klopp has come in, and the three first ones were lost in a very unlucky way. So, this win was already overdue. But hadn't we won it, we'd be there next season again, even more determined to win a trophy.

The game in itself was a bit shite to be fair, and the opposition a bit underwhelming, so it's really not the same emotions at the end of it. More a feeling of relief, and a calm joy for Klopp and his players, who deserve it so much for the progression they've gone through in the last years.
 
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Both great. Hard to split.

On one hand, we someone won the European Cup playing players like Baros, Smicer, Le Tallec, Nunez, Josemi, Biscan, Pongolle, Mellor and Traore. Players who were hardly game changing, some pretty average players even for a mid table side. Add to that we had to qualify at the last minutes to get into the knockout stage, beat a strong Juventus team with some brilliant world class players, a very strong Chelsea squad who we didn't score against in the league and were defensively strong and to top it off we knocked off a Milan side with great players after being 3-0 down

The other in Madrid. We had a tough group. Champions of France. Top 2 in Italy. A trip to Belgrade. We squeaked out of the group at last too. But we made up for it in the knockout stage by beating the Champions of Germany, Champions of Portugal. Beating the Champions of Spain after being down 3-0 from first leg with NO away goal is quite a stunning achievement to mirror the unbelievable comebacks of Deportivo against Milan, Roma against Barcelona. Then defeating a top 4 team from England. This on the back of a 97 point league season where we went toe to toe with City.

Really hard to pick.
 
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Personally, Istanbul was my first time to see an European Cup triumph. Second European trophy after Dortmund (or third if you count the UEFA Super Cup from Monaco). Probably Istanbul edges it out by an eyelash. Like many said above, with the gap to the 80s, many people would have never dreamt of seeing it come back in that season. It was unexpected triumph and we had to come back twice to win the competition. Coming back from 3-0 down in the final against some all time great players of Milan was superb.
 

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I can’t choose and the two are completely different situations.

In Istanbul we were the no-hoper tykes, who had blagged our way to the final on a wing and a prayer, looked to be on course for a pasting before a 15minute miracle. It was wonderful, giddy, and magical because it was so out of the blue.

Unlike Hope, I never thought it would be foundation for dominance. Gerrard was still flirting with leaving, it was clear that half the squad weren’t really up to snuff, and obvious the club didn’t have a pot to piss in. At most I thought we might have got hold of a special manager who would always give us a chance.

In Madrid, we were the favourites and legitimately in the conversation for the best side in Europe. And the backdrop to the European campaign was posting the third highest points total the league has ever seen. This is a phenomenal football team, and had we not won it would have been devastating. We deserved something from that season, and with Klopp, good owners, plenty of money, and a young team all committed and still to peak, it feels inevitable that the titles will now flow.
 

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As a one off game, it has to be Istanbul for me.

But which one resonates more, has more meaning, is more significant... that is Madrid. For these reasons:

1. We got to the final last season, and this time we got over the line - progression.
2. This is Klopp’s team, he’s had more than 3 seasons and we’ve seen the full evolution.
3. The league performance and record 97 points for us backs that this was not just a bit of luck.
4. We are truly feared by ALL football teams as what the team is capable of.
5. Klopp deserved this more than anyone.
6. This truly now a marker for where we kick on - players must be queueing to join us, we have the infrastructure, future vision and plans.
7. The squad is stable and no significant departures on the horizon.
8. I was in Madrid.

With Istanbul, whilst an amazing one off game - it felt like a lottery win - just amazingly lucky... we had no expectations to win it. It wasn’t fully rafas team, and we actually finished 5th in the league. Also, the vision of the club was getting stale - not keeping up with others - especially with Chelsea on the scene.

And so that’s why it’s Madrid.
 

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For me Madrid, just barely. I just think that the quality of the current team really deserved to win something, while the team in Istanbul had numerous gaps in quality. What I am trying to say is that if we had lost in Istanbul, I would have understood as I didn’t think they had the quality to accomplish what they did, while if we lost in Madrid, I would have been devastated as this team has shown how good they are, and they really deserved to win something.

The win in Istanbul is obviously more amazing, which is why it’s the miracle of Istanbul.
I'm in full agreeance with 'nobluff'. As a fan since 2000/01 but a dedicated student of our prior history, I think Istanbul will always be the miracle that took place in the final and Madrid was not that. This season's campaign, however, did have its own miracle on that magical European night at Anfield against Barca. And as 'nobluff' and others have pointed out, this team deserved to win a trophy and thusly have laid down a marker for the next several years.

With that, I'd like to propose an idea in homage to our team's successful season and our manager's memorable "Six, baby!" quotes. Original credit for the youtube submission to 'iancredibleable' and to anyone else who I'm sure have already proposed their own version of this new chant... here's my suggested alternative:

(to the tune of "Let's Talk About Sex" by Salt-N-Pepa, 1990)

Let's talk about six baby!
Let's talk about D. Origi!
Let's talk about,
Coming back from,
Down three nil to,
shock Mess-i!

Let's talk about six!
Let's talk about six!

Let's talk about six!
Let's talk about six!
(repeat from beginning)

(Original youtube submission by 'iancredibleable' found here:
)
 
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Ok we won this one but what about the fan zone leading up to last years Kiev final?
That was one hell of a ride as well!
Anyway to answer the question they were just very different. The feel good feeling seems to be lasting longer for this Madrid win however perhaps that is because of the emotions 2005 created. 2005 was just so many at the moment intense feeling of euphoria which were hard to maintain over time. This seasons win didn't have those peaks even Barça felt possible however it seems the emotions are of longer duration they don't seem to abate.
So I have to go for 2005 because my tears of pride and joy were just so intense however qi'm loving this feel good factor after this years win.
 

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I voted for Madrid, but they both resonate, for different reasons that have already been captured.

In Istanbul we were underdogs. The comeback was amazing. AC Milan had a fantastic team and it looked like we were going to receive a hammering, but then something special happened. But at no point did I think we had now 'arrived' as the whole thing needed work. But Rafa, and a couple of stellar players, helped to lift the whole thing to overachievement, and Istanbul was magical because of it.

In Madrid we were favorites. It comes with a different kind of pressure, especially as we had lost a couple of finals along the way, but we went there and claimed our prize. On the night it was a poor display, but even then, we came out of there with the trophy, and that is a byproduct of being favorites. Previously we played quite well and still lost, whereas ironically this time we didn't play well, but it didn't sink us.

These days we are a quite fearsome outfit, and barring the financial shenanigans at Man City, we should be in for a period of dominance for a spell, as everything is coming together.
 

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For sound to resonate it needs a resonance body. Space for the soundwaves to spread. And time. Istanbul is winning the poll because those screams of joy were loud enough not to need much in the way of a follow up success to amplify them. Eventually Madrid will catch up. Because of amplification.
 

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For sound to resonate it needs a resonance body. Space for the soundwaves to spread. And time. Istanbul is winning the poll because those screams of joy were loud enough not to need much in the way of a follow up success to amplify them. Eventually Madrid will catch up. Because of amplification.
Technical and interesting point!
 

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The Madrid team is several levels better than the Istanbul one. The club is better. The chances of future success is better. We have undisputedly the world's best CB and arguably the world's best GK, RB, LB, DM, LW and RW.

However, the game we won was fairly straight forward. We went 1-0 up after 2 minutes and we knew they couldn't hurt us unless we made a mistake. I've never seen Liverpool do that in a final and it was fucking beautiful.

But... I was 13 when we won in Istanbul. I still get a bit emotional when I watch it now (and I watch it at least once a year). The game had so much drama; AC Milan tearing us apart with slick football and going 3-0 up, Shevchenko's offside goal, Harry Kewell tapping out inside 20 minutes, the half time YNWA, Gerrard's header and firing the crowd up, Smicer scoring his first of the season at the most opportune time, Alonso missing and scoring the rebound, Traore's goalline block, Dudek's wonder save and Serginho, Pirlo and Shevchenko all missing penalties.

Madrid sets the club up for long term success. Istanbul was a beautiful dream.
 



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Istanbul edged it due to the fact that we've been waiting for a major trophy for more than 2 decades, we have zero expectations in the Champs League run and we are minnows compared to the teams we have to overcome, Juventus, Chelsea and Milan. We have never been favourite and that's the first time we were introduced to Rafa. The rollercoaster of that final match takes the cake, from being 3-0 down, thinking we need to keep the score respectable and never in my wildest dream we would have mount that sort of come back. Much like the semis we had at Anfield against Barcelona this season.

So I voted for Istanbul. Not taking anything away from this current side and the manager. In fact he is my favourite manager in the Premier League era, leapfrogged Rafa. Just spoke to QPR owner today and he told me this guy is a dream for any club fans and owner. He makes the fans feel like he's one of them and that's something not many manager out there could achieve.
 
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For me Madrid is the result of years of progress and working towards something.
Istanbul was a momentous game but it felt like a fluke. Where Dudek pulls off saves nobody can work out. Where Traore clears balls off the line instead of back heeling them in. All the stars aligned that season.
So I’m not sure which I prefer. 2005 is proper Roy of the Rovers stuff.
This season was the ultimate deserved satisfaction.

I think I’m veering towards 2005 as for the first time since 1990 it felt like we were back amongst the big boys.
But then we have hindsight. And I feel more positive now because of number 6 than I did with number 5.

I don’t know.
 

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Both are important steps in club history and both had unbelievable comebacks against some of the best clubs.
Just like how you can't have a favorite among your children or pick a favorite eye, it's impossible to pick Istanbul or Madrid.
Thanks mate thats the answer I was looking for as both occasions gave me an unbridled joy I am still walking around with the afterglow of Saturdays win. In Rome I was incredulous after the Smith’s Bullet header so every European cup we won gave me so much happiness and I feel that winning the league I would have a sense of anti climax if that makes sense? European Glory lasts me all year long I liken it to when I was 5 I would buy a bar of chocolate and I would make it last until I got back home from school.
 

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Why are there only 2 options? Surely beating roma in Rome was a biggie and what about beating Madrid in Paris

If you're doing a poll the you should include all 6
I agree and I would go further it should have been number eleven, as without the Heysel disaster and 5 year ban we would have won it another 5 times IMO
 
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For me Madrid, just barely. I just think that the quality of the current team really deserved to win something, while the team in Istanbul had numerous gaps in quality. What I am trying to say is that if we had lost in Istanbul, I would have understood as I didn’t think they had the quality to accomplish what they did, while if we lost in Madrid, I would have been devastated as this team has shown how good they are, and they really deserved to win something.

The win in Istanbul is obviously more amazing, which is why it’s the miracle of Istanbul.
NO DOUBT the current team is the best we've had the EPL era, and most of all full of undeniable heart, so too was the Istanbul team, and in fact most Liverpool teams have had heart in spades. its why we support them no matter what and love Liverpool more than the fans of any other club. Istanbul for me becuase it was so uplifting, so remarkable at a time when we were mostly mediocre. it renewed our taste for glory.