Jürgen Klopp: 2018 - 2019

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It’s a perfect storm of shit really.
We let Clyne go on loan, then our RB gets injured. But it’s ok because we have a centeback who can also play RB. But then he’s injured as well.
Well, fine; we can play Milner right back and play our third choice centre back. But he’s injured!
So from all those options we are down to Milner at right back and our first and fourth choice CB.
And I won’t mention our first choice centre back is suspended for Bayern Munich.

Klopp will need to deal with it, and find something that works. But for injuries he can only hope. It’s just bad luck it’s all happened at once. Luckily we have a small buffer at the top of the table.
 

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I think you stick Fabinho at the back against Bayern, hopefully TAA will be fit from after the Westham game. Milner is capable of that against most teams, Zaha would hurt the very best so Milner’s performance doesn’t worry me too much as you simply wont get much better even Leicester’s pace would have been dealt with.

Hopefully Lovern can get back soon enough but regardless I’d stick Fabinho in against Bayern, hopefully TAA would be back by the then as I always think Milner in the middle makes it more solid if you haven’t got Fabinho.
 

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When Klopp first started at the club he identified the negativity in the fan base as a major problem and asked us to become believers, rather than doubters. What happened?

This is a title run in. This is what it looks like. It was never going to be easy. It’s apparently what we wanted, so why don’t we enjoy it - all of it, the ups and the downs - instead of pissing our knickers?
 

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I think you stick Fabinho at the back against Bayern, hopefully TAA will be fit from after the Westham game. Milner is capable of that against most teams, Zaha would hurt the very best so Milner’s performance doesn’t worry me too much as you simply wont get much better even Leicester’s pace would have been dealt with.

Hopefully Lovern can get back soon enough but regardless I’d stick Fabinho in against Bayern, hopefully TAA would be back by the then as I always think Milner in the middle makes it more solid if you haven’t got Fabinho.
That’s a good shout. I actually think Fabinho might be the third best Centre Back at the club, and I would looking at using him there against some of the leagues more defensive teams, as a way of getting more creativity into the side when we need it.
 

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Teams are also starting to block us more on our offside traps on set-pieces (also giving away stupid fouls). Think Cardiff and/or Everton first started doing that. Last night it looked like we couldn't play them offside. Time to revisit that also and make some small adjustments to counter that threat.
 

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Teams are also starting to block us more on our offside traps on set-pieces (also giving away stupid fouls). Think Cardiff and/or Everton first started doing that. Last night it looked like we couldn't play them offside. Time to revisit that also and make some small adjustments to counter that threat.
One a few occasions now, the opposition have physically pushed a player towards our goal to create the onside. Happened again last night. This needs highlighting.
 

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When Klopp first started at the club he identified the negativity in the fan base as a major problem and asked us to become believers, rather than doubters. What happened?

This is a title run in. This is what it looks like. It was never going to be easy. It’s apparently what we wanted, so why don’t we enjoy it - all of it, the ups and the downs - instead of pissing our knickers?
You have to appreciate for some of us this is our 3rd actual tangible run of something potentially great in nearly 30 years. Which for a lot of us is our entire life watching Liverpool.

Of course we are bloody nervous, it's all well and good having seen some of the great teams of the past where winning was the only way. Where even at 1-0 down you knew they had the fortitude and ability and belief to come back and win. I've not ever witnessed that, I still now close my eyes at corners as 20+ years of seeing us concede weak and avoidable goals.

I'm 36 this year, so when we last won the title I was 7 so it's barely a memory. I have 2005 and not much else bar the Houllier triple and the Rodgers run finished when Henderson got sent off v's City. It's going to take a long time and getting the monkey off the back for a lot of "younger" fans.

I get we should be enjoying the ride, but it's so fucking hard when we are making it so much harder than it needs to be. If we drew with Leicester/West Ham on the back of excellent performances and a bit of bad luck it's a different kettle of fish but we didn't. We are stuttering when we most need not to. We were terrible last night, we played with a tightness and lack of belief that has to be down to something, my opinion is its nerves, the Dubai trip appears to have the opposite effect, we are overplaying we are taking too many touches, it's like we had too much time to dwell on what can be.

For me I'm shitting myself that we will do what we did in 13/14 and let nerves get the better of us, knock us off our natural inspiring game and just fall short. The worst thing is it will be on the back of a first half of a season where we were made to believe again, I mean really believe this is our year.

Guess my point is, we all want to win the league, some probably want it so much it is clouding into occasional panic, but maybe don't be so harsh on us and understand where our nerves come from. Winning the league this season against the super money team of City would be such an achievement and could break their hold on English football and it could catapult us into our own era of dominance. Fall short, is it our best chance? We won't know really but we are talking potential fine margins here..
 

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You have to appreciate for some of us this is our 3rd actual tangible run of something potentially great in nearly 30 years. Which for a lot of us is our entire life watching Liverpool.

Of course we are bloody nervous, it's all well and good having seen some of the great teams of the past where winning was the only way. Where even at 1-0 down you knew they had the fortitude and ability and belief to come back and win. I've not ever witnessed that, I still now close my eyes at corners as 20+ years of seeing us concede weak and avoidable goals.

I'm 36 this year, so when we last won the title I was 7 so it's barely a memory. I have 2005 and not much else bar the Houllier triple and the Rodgers run finished when Henderson got sent off v's City. It's going to take a long time and getting the monkey off the back for a lot of "younger" fans.

I get we should be enjoying the ride, but it's so fucking hard when we are making it so much harder than it needs to be. If we drew with Leicester/West Ham on the back of excellent performances and a bit of bad luck it's a different kettle of fish but we didn't. We are stuttering when we most need not to. We were terrible last night, we played with a tightness and lack of belief that has to be down to something, my opinion is its nerves, the Dubai trip appears to have the opposite effect, we are overplaying we are taking too many touches, it's like we had too much time to dwell on what can be.

For me I'm shitting myself that we will do what we did in 13/14 and let nerves get the better of us, knock us off our natural inspiring game and just fall short. The worst thing is it will be on the back of a first half of a season where we were made to believe again, I mean really believe this is our year.

Guess my point is, we all want to win the league, some probably want it so much it is clouding into occasional panic, but maybe don't be so harsh on us and understand where our nerves come from. Winning the league this season against the super money team of City would be such an achievement and could break their hold on English football and it could catapult us into our own era of dominance. Fall short, is it our best chance? We won't know really but we are talking potential fine margins here..
All that without a typo.
You cant be that fucking nervous :tongue:
 

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Think main reason why we are not reaching the performance level of last season is because of the formation change. We need the 4-3-3 False9 more often again. Yes, it was chaotic at times but it got the best out of our midfield + Firmino.
 

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You have to appreciate for some of us this is our 3rd actual tangible run of something potentially great in nearly 30 years. Which for a lot of us is our entire life watching Liverpool.

Of course we are bloody nervous, it's all well and good having seen some of the great teams of the past where winning was the only way. Where even at 1-0 down you knew they had the fortitude and ability and belief to come back and win. I've not ever witnessed that, I still now close my eyes at corners as 20+ years of seeing us concede weak and avoidable goals.

I'm 36 this year, so when we last won the title I was 7 so it's barely a memory. I have 2005 and not much else bar the Houllier triple and the Rodgers run finished when Henderson got sent off v's City. It's going to take a long time and getting the monkey off the back for a lot of "younger" fans.

I get we should be enjoying the ride, but it's so fucking hard when we are making it so much harder than it needs to be. If we drew with Leicester/West Ham on the back of excellent performances and a bit of bad luck it's a different kettle of fish but we didn't. We are stuttering when we most need not to. We were terrible last night, we played with a tightness and lack of belief that has to be down to something, my opinion is its nerves, the Dubai trip appears to have the opposite effect, we are overplaying we are taking too many touches, it's like we had too much time to dwell on what can be.

For me I'm shitting myself that we will do what we did in 13/14 and let nerves get the better of us, knock us off our natural inspiring game and just fall short. The worst thing is it will be on the back of a first half of a season where we were made to believe again, I mean really believe this is our year.

Guess my point is, we all want to win the league, some probably want it so much it is clouding into occasional panic, but maybe don't be so harsh on us and understand where our nerves come from. Winning the league this season against the super money team of City would be such an achievement and could break their hold on English football and it could catapult us into our own era of dominance. Fall short, is it our best chance? We won't know really but we are talking potential fine margins here..
I love the nerves. Nerves are good. But do nerves have to equal negativity?

We’re all nervous as fuck, and that’s why I love this. It makes you feel alive, and if fans aren’t nervous they are doing something wrong.

I have a problem with proclamations of doom and bust. To me it’s a form of cowardice. We’re in with a fantastic shout if winning the league, and the right thing to do is to go at it full-throated and passionately. If you get your heart broken at the end, so be it. We shouldn’t ever forget this is supposed to be fun, and shouldn’t let a fear of being hurt at the end ruin this. We wouldn’t refuse to fall in love because we’re scared we might end up heart-broken. That’s life.

Equating what we have now with 08/09 and 13/14 isn’t fair. In the former we we always chasing Utd, and even when we went top they had games in hand. They always had control. In the latter we were fragile as fuck and trying to wallpaper over a fragile squad with kamikaze football. It was a challenge that came out of nowhere and was always built on sand.

We still have control of this and while I get that we’re having a wobble right now, we still have three points on City, and even if we somehow contrive to lose against Bournemouth, we’re right in the mixer, with fewer, easier fixtures to come. For the last few seasons, we’ve faltered in January only to kick on through spring towards the finish line. City have done the same which makes me think that this is a performance management/sports sciencey thing.

Above all this season feels different. It isn’t a now or never, where you know that falling short is going to precede the break up of the team and going back to square one. Even a second placed finish from this point feels big, because we’re certainly not going to lose all our players and slip back to eighth. This side is only getting stronger now, whether we get over the line this year or not.
 

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Top class performers no matter what sport are not subject to nerves, Klopp needs to work on that, being jittery leads to poor performance.
 

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Think main reason why we are not reaching the performance level of last season is because of the formation change. We need the 4-3-3 False9 more often again. Yes, it was chaotic at times but it got the best out of our midfield + Firmino.
Too many injuries in defence will probably cost us the title. Klopp should have sold Players who are on the bench week after week, Moreno & Sturridge for eg & bought in one good defender & an out & out CF. Finally, ball watching on set pieces instead of man marking has cost us the last 2games
 

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It's hilarious reading the mentions, refences and digs on here, even when I've not commented.

The need for people to herd and bandwagon is a site to behold, especially when it's directed at an individual who deviates from the herd mentality.

I sometimes wonder if I've stumbled across the forum of the hideous Momentum organisation, or some other vile socialist melting pot.

Makes me so glad to be of the blue persuasion, in one aspect at least.

Anyway there are two clear issues - our defence isn't doing as well and we don't have the quality in attacking midfield to give the forwards what they need to do their best work.

The latter was always going to be case this season having not signed Fekir and with Oxlade out.

When the defence was working we didn't feel the second issue as much, but in combination it's a problem.

Bobby, Shaqiri or Lallana cannot give us what we need at 10, but Keita showed glimpses last night of his offensive capabilities, even though he was sloppy defensively and for me is no central midfielder in a two.

The defensive issues stem from having lost Gomez and then having to field a non specialist right back in the absence of TAA. Matip is not terrible, he's just not good enough to cope with having issues to the right of him.

For me the way forward is for Klopp to use Fabinho at right back when TAA is out, using Keita as the attacking midfielder ahead of a double pivot of two from Fabinho (when not at right back), Gini, Hendo and Milner.

Bobby should probably be on the bench for a bit, with Mo up top, Mane and Shaqiri and Keita at 10 behind.
 

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I sometimes wonder if I've stumbled across the forum of the hideous Momentum organisation, or some other vile socialist melting pot.

Makes me so glad to be of the blue persuasion, in one aspect at least.
It’s really important to leave the politics out of this, because you are basically insulting me personally at this point, and I’d have to respond by querying what the fuck any Conservative voter would find to identify with in a club and city so rooted in socialism and the labour movement, and whether it make you ashamed to consider what your party did to this club and this city. Neither of us want to go there, so let’s not.
 

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It's hilarious reading the mentions, refences and digs on here, even when I've not commented.

The need for people to herd and bandwagon is a site to behold, especially when it's directed at an individual who deviates from the herd mentality.

I sometimes wonder if I've stumbled across the forum of the hideous Momentum organisation, or some other vile socialist melting pot.

Makes me so glad to be of the blue persuasion, in one aspect at least.

Anyway there are two clear issues - our defence isn't doing as well and we don't have the quality in attacking midfield to give the forwards what they need to do their best work.

The latter was always going to be case this season having not signed Fekir and with Oxlade out.

When the defence was working we didn't feel the second issue as much, but in combination it's a problem.

Bobby, Shaqiri or Lallana cannot give us what we need at 10, but Keita showed glimpses last night of his offensive capabilities, even though he was sloppy defensively and for me is no central midfielder in a two.

The defensive issues stem from having lost Gomez and then having to field a non specialist right back in the absence of TAA. Matip is not terrible, he's just not good enough to cope with having issues to the right of him.

For me the way forward is for Klopp to use Fabinho at right back when TAA is out, use Keita as the attacking midfielder ahead of a double pivot of two from Fabinho (when not at right back), Gini, Hendo and Milner.

Bobby should probably be on the bench for a bit, with Mo up top, Mane and Shaqiri and Keita at 10.
The defensive issues stem from a significant number of injuries to first team starters and illness to those able to play. VVD, Milner and Fabinho have all been Ill this week.

With all that disruption it's no wonder we lack fluency.
 

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It's hilarious reading the mentions, refences and digs on here, even when I've not commented.

The need for people to herd and bandwagon is a site to behold, especially when it's directed at an individual who deviates from the herd mentality.

I sometimes wonder if I've stumbled across the forum of the hideous Momentum organisation, or some other vile socialist melting pot.

Makes me so glad to be of the blue persuasion, in one aspect at least.

Anyway there are two clear issues - our defence isn't doing as well and we don't have the quality in attacking midfield to give the forwards what they need to do their best work.

The latter was always going to be case this season having not signed Fekir and with Oxlade out.

When the defence was working we didn't feel the second issue as much, but in combination it's a problem.

Bobby, Shaqiri or Lallana cannot give us what we need at 10, but Keita showed glimpses last night of his offensive capabilities, even though he was sloppy defensively and for me is no central midfielder in a two.

The defensive issues stem from having lost Gomez and then having to field a non specialist right back in the absence of TAA. Matip is not terrible, he's just not good enough to cope with having issues to the right of him.

For me the way forward is for Klopp to use Fabinho at right back when TAA is out, using Keita as the attacking midfielder ahead of a double pivot of two from Fabinho (when not at right back), Gini, Hendo and Milner.

Bobby should probably be on the bench for a bit, with Mo up top, Mane and Shaqiri and Keita at 10 behind.
Think the second half of this is fair but you'd do well to leave out the first half and that shite about the Conservatives.
 

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Last January he was moaning that selling Coutinho would cost us a top four place. Then at the start of the season he said not signing Fekir would cost us a title challenge.
 



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Last January he was moaning that selling Coutinho would cost us a top four place. Then at the start of the season he said not signing Fekir would cost us a title challenge.
Some serious downgrading there, from a good player who nevertheless wasn't an ideal fit for our system, to a good player we failed to buy, to a squad player who'd barely made an appearance for us for 18 months, and prior to that was often a whipping-boy for criticism after a poor result.

Next it will be buying the wrong brand of teabags for the players' post-training cuppa will cost us the title.
 

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Some 'fan' alright.

Constantly moaning even though we are still 3 points clear at the top is one thing but coming on to give it the I told you so after we drop points is something else.