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Jürgen Klopp: 2018 - 2019



RedForever2014

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It’s really important to leave the politics out of this, because you are basically insulting me personally at this point, and I’d have to respond by querying what the fuck any Conservative voter would find to identify with in a club and city so rooted in socialism and the labour movement, and whether it make you ashamed to consider what your party did to this club and this city. Neither of us want to go there, so let’s not.
If we're not going there why ask me those questions?

Is Liverpool socialist because it's poor or did socialism make it poor? Did Derek Hatton or Michael Heseltine do more for the city?

Can't speak for anyone else, but my mantra is work hard, live within my means, save, be responsible, live decently, pay fair tax to help create as fair a society as can be, without stifling incentive based progress.

Yes it's not perfect, yes it's abused by the super rich and huge corporations, but the answer is not the politics of envy, the politics of dragging everyone else down with you, spending the money of future generations and encouraging work shy lazy people.
 

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Bobby should probably be on the bench for a bit, with Mo up top, Mane and Shaqiri and Keita at 10 behind.
Unfortunately, Shaqiri and Firmino are both in something of a slump at the same time. and I am not sure I would rate Shaqiri's ability to play himself out of it ahead of Firmino's. Firmino works hard, especially defensively, when he is struggling, where Shaqiri seems to founder. My inclination would be to push Firmino further up and move Salah wider.

Shaqiri and Keita right now are really pretty close to the same player, defensively erratic, capable of some good stuff with the ball but not consistent enough.
 






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Can't speak for anyone else, but my mantra is work hard, live within my means, save, be responsible, live decently, pay fair tax to help create as fair a society as can be, without stifling incentive based progress.
...and demand the stockpiling of full backs?

Seriously, leave the politics out of this thread please. If you want to discuss your voting voting habits (which appear sonewhat confused to me), use the away from home forum.
 



Zinedine Biscan

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...and demand the stockpiling of full backs?

Seriously, leave the politics out of this thread please. If you want to discuss your voting voting habits (which appear sonewhat confused to me), use the away from home forum.
Don't encourage him! At the moment he's contained in 1-2 threads. It'll be like when Walter Peck shut down the Ghostbusters' containment system...
 

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You have to appreciate for some of us this is our 3rd actual tangible run of something potentially great in nearly 30 years. Which for a lot of us is our entire life watching Liverpool.

Of course we are bloody nervous, it's all well and good having seen some of the great teams of the past where winning was the only way. Where even at 1-0 down you knew they had the fortitude and ability and belief to come back and win. I've not ever witnessed that, I still now close my eyes at corners as 20+ years of seeing us concede weak and avoidable goals.

I'm 36 this year, so when we last won the title I was 7 so it's barely a memory. I have 2005 and not much else bar the Houllier triple and the Rodgers run finished when Henderson got sent off v's City. It's going to take a long time and getting the monkey off the back for a lot of "younger" fans.

I get we should be enjoying the ride, but it's so fucking hard when we are making it so much harder than it needs to be. If we drew with Leicester/West Ham on the back of excellent performances and a bit of bad luck it's a different kettle of fish but we didn't. We are stuttering when we most need not to. We were terrible last night, we played with a tightness and lack of belief that has to be down to something, my opinion is its nerves, the Dubai trip appears to have the opposite effect, we are overplaying we are taking too many touches, it's like we had too much time to dwell on what can be.

For me I'm shitting myself that we will do what we did in 13/14 and let nerves get the better of us, knock us off our natural inspiring game and just fall short. The worst thing is it will be on the back of a first half of a season where we were made to believe again, I mean really believe this is our year.

Guess my point is, we all want to win the league, some probably want it so much it is clouding into occasional panic, but maybe don't be so harsh on us and understand where our nerves come from. Winning the league this season against the super money team of City would be such an achievement and could break their hold on English football and it could catapult us into our own era of dominance. Fall short, is it our best chance? We won't know really but we are talking potential fine margins here..
This is a really nice post. We all react in our own way and as you write, some of it is driven by our own circumstances. I happen to be in @Mascot88’s corner in this one, but I understand the power of sheer desire to overwhelm balance. I try to avoid being negative here, but believe me, I am struggling emotionally too. At the end of the day, it comes down to two factors for me. First, the players are fine when winning. It’s during the slumps that they need us. Second, I am an optimist about things I love, and I love the Reds. I hope you enjoy the ride in the manner you see fit. YNWA.
 



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The defensive issues stem from a significant number of injuries to first team starters and illness to those able to play. VVD, Milner and Fabinho have all been Ill this week.
Our record was so miserly that the one or two game patch in which we didnt maintain that record, which was always going to happen, just feels more of a problem than it is. So to describe our current situation as experiencing defensive issues is a bit of an over reaction...if anything less than a historically stingy defense is a problem, then the problem is not with the defense but with one's perspective.

I think the issue we are facing at this time is that teams seemed to have found a way to combat our quality on set pieces and we have not responded quickly enough. A little more help from refs on the blocking and holding wouldn't go amiss, but it's all borderline stuff and so the imperative is on us to figure it out.
 

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The vitriol and toxicity from the rivals is at fever pitch, I still think we're doing ok. City can't change the situation they're in with pushing on four fronts. Something has to give even with their depth of quality on the bench. They've lost to teams that we haven't, maybe Pep assumed that we would lose more points at this stage of the season, don't forget that games are running out. He wants the CL more than the PL but City fans want to rub our noses in it by winning another Prem. He can't win both, like I don't think we can win both. I'm certain that the CL games both teams play and Spurs for that matter will have a direct effect on who wins the PL. City fans say that our two points mean f**k all now but it could be the difference that sees us through. For me City can't win and won't win the CL but it'll be expected of Pep to win at least two trophies this season. Pressure on Liverpool? Of course there is but Jurgen knows that Pep is up against it far more than he is.
 



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I love the nerves. Nerves are good. But do nerves have to equal negativity?

We’re all nervous as fuck, and that’s why I love this. It makes you feel alive, and if fans aren’t nervous they are doing something wrong.

I have a problem with proclamations of doom and bust. To me it’s a form of cowardice. We’re in with a fantastic shout if winning the league, and the right thing to do is to go at it full-throated and passionately. If you get your heart broken at the end, so be it. We shouldn’t ever forget this is supposed to be fun, and shouldn’t let a fear of being hurt at the end ruin this. We wouldn’t refuse to fall in love because we’re scared we might end up heart-broken. That’s life.

Equating what we have now with 08/09 and 13/14 isn’t fair. In the former we we always chasing Utd, and even when we went top they had games in hand. They always had control. In the latter we were fragile as fuck and trying to wallpaper over a fragile squad with kamikaze football. It was a challenge that came out of nowhere and was always built on sand.

We still have control of this and while I get that we’re having a wobble right now, we still have three points on City, and even if we somehow contrive to lose against Bournemouth, we’re right in the mixer, with fewer, easier fixtures to come. For the last few seasons, we’ve faltered in January only to kick on through spring towards the finish line. City have done the same which makes me think that this is a performance management/sports sciencey thing.

Above all this season feels different. It isn’t a now or never, where you know that falling short is going to precede the break up of the team and going back to square one. Even a second placed finish from this point feels big, because we’re certainly not going to lose all our players and slip back to eighth. This side is only getting stronger now, whether we get over the line this year or not.
I wish I could like this 10 times.
 

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Unfortunately, Shaqiri and Firmino are both in something of a slump at the same time. and I am not sure I would rate Shaqiri's ability to play himself out of it ahead of Firmino's. Firmino works hard, especially defensively, when he is struggling, where Shaqiri seems to founder. My inclination would be to push Firmino further up and move Salah wider.

Shaqiri and Keita right now are really pretty close to the same player, defensively erratic, capable of some good stuff with the ball but not consistent enough.
I still strongly believe that Shaq on the wing/ wide forward just doesn't work for us. It didn't at the start of the season, and i really only remember his good performances playing in the middle.

There is surely a reason we have switched our formation around over recent games playing a 4231 but it feels like we've moved far too many players out of their comfortable positions.
 

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Klopp invited to explain his comments. I’ll do it for him. Kevin Friend is a self-serving cowardly cunt, who’s linesman made a dreadful error and took it upon himself to make absolutely sure it would not be the talking point in the next day’s papers.
 

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For me it's clear that the best way to use the forwards is last season's Bobby at 9, Salah and Mane wide. You've only got to look at the heat map to see Salah's impact yesterday versus his impact at 9. He was scoring at 9, but has more impact on the play and still scores from out wide.

That requires a midfield behind them that can support Bobby being at 9, whether that be a 1-2 or a 2-1. It's the flat three that doesn't work with Bobby at 9.

For me Shaqiri shouldn't be a wide forward, just one of the options at 10 in a 4231, but never without two proper central midfielders behind him.

Fabinho's mobility means a 1-2 with two from Keita, Gini and Milner is our best midfield in my view.

Klopp's big call in coming matches is to pick Fabinho ahead of Hendo.