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Jadon Sancho (RW) Borussia Dortmund

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If we sign Sancho, it'll be in anticipation of one of our big three departing - most likely that's Mo - sometime in the next couple years.

As to the fee - you pay ~130M now because you think that he'll be worth 200M in a couple years. In this attack? With the international stage Liverpool affords? With this manager and these teammates? Only injury will prevent that from happening, IMO.
 


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Maybe any deal could see Keita going the other way because it's looking more and more Klopp doesn't trust him anymore. Lallana getting on before him is a prime example.
 

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Well, we have our babelcopter passenger for the next transfer window or two.

I expect a completely unnecessary number of pages devoted to this transfer, but with Fekir definitely not coming we did really need a new "primary" target to discuss in infinite detail.
 

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This is realistic for the reasons mentioned previously. Our front three are getting into their late twenties and there are very few players around who would be good enough to replace or complement them. In today's world each of them is worth 100 million at least, and any new player would cost something in that region. It would be great if we plucked a diamond out of obscurity, but realistically the champions of Europe are expected to go for the best around.
 



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So Klopp has said Liverpool are always ready to sign the right player and now the media are in a frenzy about Sancho but why hasn’t Pearce pissed of the Sancho fire yet :unsure:

Im taking his silence as it’s going to happen, Liverpool will sign Sancho:LOL:
 

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Don't you trust Klopp could achieve it though?

If you take we have a 55 game season? thats 3 positions and 90mins for per game = 55*3*90mins = 14850 minutes spread over 4 players is still 3712 minutes per player which is slightly lower than Salah/Mane/Firmino all average currently. It's my opinion we are overplaying them, so they need less minutes.

Ok I stopped being lazy - Mane/Salah avg'd 4200 minutes last year, Firmino 3400. So yes its a drop for Mane/Salah but I don't think its at a level they'd get unhappy. We could also play all 4 if we needed to with Bobby dropping deeper as a no.10 and Salah being the no.9 etc.

Maybe my maths is off so sorry if it is, I just think its possible and the next step for us. Seeing us need to play Oxlade out wide just smacks of a team without sufficient depth of the quality needed.
It isn't about maths though really. The reality is there's a massive difference between 90 minutes against Burnley and 90 minutes against Barcelona. How do you decide who plays which? Do you drop an inform player because it's Sancho's designated match?

You can play all 4 together? But can you actually? Is there any way to know that before you buy the player.

It's not a maths conundrum because people are complex and football isn't just about how many starts and how many minutes.

But as others have said we have no idea about what the succession and (dare i say it...transition) plans are for this team. So maybe it all makes sense and it will work for everyone.
 

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It means giving one of the four 20 to 30 minutes at the end of games, and being able to drop one to the bench with a dip in form. I see no problem with having 4. Klopp can keep them motivated and interested.

Who knows when Salah or Mane will decide they want a new challenge in spain.

It isn't about maths though really. The reality is there's a massive difference between 90 minutes against Burnley and 90 minutes against Barcelona. How do you decide who plays which? Do you drop an inform player because it's Sancho's designated match?

You can play all 4 together? But can you actually? Is there any way to know that before you buy the player.

It's not a maths conundrum because people are complex and football isn't just about how many starts and how many minutes.

But as others have said we have no idea about what the succession and (dare i say it...transition) plans are for this team. So maybe it all makes sense and it will work for everyone.
It's nice to be in a spot where we can be relaxed about all this. I'm not too bothered either way, but it's fun to think about.
 



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I think we need to do 2 deals this January. 1 attacker (a few options like Sancho, Werner or Ziyech would ideal) and a fullback. Ideally a fullback that would be able to play both right and left would be perfect for us to push on in the second half of the season. I'd be disappointed if we didn't sign anyone in Jan. Especially since the fixture list not manageable with the current squad. A few signings will breathe new life into the squad and we can challenge for more than just the PL.
 

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It isn't about maths though really. The reality is there's a massive difference between 90 minutes against Burnley and 90 minutes against Barcelona. How do you decide who plays which? Do you drop an inform player because it's Sancho's designated match?

You can play all 4 together? But can you actually? Is there any way to know that before you buy the player.

It's not a maths conundrum because people are complex and football isn't just about how many starts and how many minutes.

But as others have said we have no idea about what the succession and (dare i say it...transition) plans are for this team. So maybe it all makes sense and it will work for everyone.
I 100% get that, hence me saying my post was probably to simplistic looking at raw numbers. Another point is I'd be moving on Origi if we brought in Sancho and he played 760 minutes last season. Origi whilst a cult legend of status by now should be pushing to start and to be frank when he does start he is pretty average. Yes he's scored some absolute clutch goals but we need more than that - He needs to be a viable option when any of our front three need a rest or get injured..

And thats the point most people ignore - Injuries, whilst I appreciate looking at raw numbers can present a false representation as you rightly say 90mins v's Barca is vastly different to to 90mins v's Burnley but ultimately it's zero minutes v's either if they get injured and we are playing Oxlade or Lallana out of position and looking blunt up front as a result.

There is absolutely no idea if any of the above works, only Klopp/Edwards know - My personal preference would always be trying to keep 4 elite attackers happy (and the challenges of that), then having 3 elite attackers happy but always running the risk that the drop off to no.4 (content with a back up role) is significant. If you are playing 40+ games a season, winning CL and PL medals does anyone envisage any of a front 4 kicking up a fuss?? We manage to rotate our midfield currently and keeping all happy, whilst injuries have played their part - It also shows we keep the same levels in there despite 2 players being out - Because we have similar levels in the "group" and similar skillsets, so we can swap and change and keep it fresh.
 

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I think if anyone could make it work, it would be Klopp.

But it doesn’t seem in character for him to make a move that would potentially upset the harmony between the best front three in world football.
That front 3 could easily be upset by an injury, loss of form, tiredness etc. Are Shaquiri and Origi good enough cover to win the EPL and other major trophies? Not sure myself but I am also not convinved about Sancho either. There are a lot of very good attacking players around Europe who I think would improve under Klopp and prove to be good enough, many at sensible money.
It wold be great if one of our own youngsters could step up but can we risk that with so much at stake ? Think I will leave that one to Jurgen. :)
 

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I think we need to do 2 deals this January. 1 attacker (a few options like Sancho, Werner or Ziyech would ideal)
No, no, no, no, no. Not captain ball loss. Besides all the ball loss that guy has a chip on his shoulder when things are not going his way immediately, stay as far away from him as possible.
 

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It’s almost as if people have paid no attention to the last four years.

Jurgen Klopp will not sign a player in January if there is an opportunity to use someone in the squad, or make do with what he has. He looks to the market as a last resort.
 



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It’s almost as if people have paid no attention to the last four years.

Jurgen Klopp will not sign a player in January if there is an opportunity to use someone in the squad, or make do with what he has. He looks to the market as a last resort.

Meh, that’s all part of the master plan.....make them THINK we don’t sign players in jan......then....
 

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It’s almost as if people have paid no attention to the last four years.

Jurgen Klopp will not sign a player in January if there is an opportunity to use someone in the squad, or make do with what he has. He looks to the market as a last resort.
I do think we would have signed Alex Teixeira that Jan if the asking price had just been a natch lower.

Whether that's an argument for or against winter signings I'll leave for others to debate.
 

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It’s almost as if people have paid no attention to the last four years.

Jurgen Klopp will not sign a player in January if there is an opportunity to use someone in the squad, or make do with what he has. He looks to the market as a last resort.
Make do with what he has - with the number of fixtures and injuries that may not be an option
Use someone in the squad - Shaqiri doesn't seem to be trusted, Brewster doesn't seem to be ready and starting with Origi leads to a significant drop in quality. Ox is better in midfield and Lallana is not capable of playing up front.
 

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I rate this guy a lot (even above Havertz). His traits resemble a young Neymar: very fast change in direction on the ball, great dribbling skills, acceleration and good decision making. The main difference is that he is more of a teamplayer (playmaker) and Neymar was a better finisher at 19 years old. The problem is that he looks very cock* and sometimes unprofessional, just like Neymar is and it's obviously not good.

But the fact is that I simply can't remember a 19 year old kid having such an amazing impact right now (well, Haaland is in better form now that I'm thinking about it). Havertz and João Félix have been struggling this season and maybe the only one who comes closer is Odegaard from what I've seen.

73 professional games, 20 goals, 26 assists (as per WhoScored) and only 19 years old. Crazy delivery.

Another great perk is that is he is English and we will need people very soon with Milner and Lallana leaving.

I could totally see something like Fabinho, Gini/Hendo/whatever, Sancho (RW), Firmino (AM), Mané (LW), Salah (ST).

With all that being said, I don't believe for a second we would pay £100m+ for him. It doesn't make sense from Klopp's point of view. VVD was the only exception and kind of an exception because £75m is not that much nowadays for a top player. Sancho isn't quite there yet and he is even more expensive (£100~130m).

I think the limit, should we buy a star, is something like £80~90m as long as Klopp is around and Sancho looks way out of reach right now.
 

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It’s almost as if people have paid no attention to the last four years.

Jurgen Klopp will not sign a player in January if there is an opportunity to use someone in the squad, or make do with what he has. He looks to the market as a last resort.
(I don't know myself) Do you think if Sancho is 100% available and he's had his ride on the big one, Klopp would sanction signing him for a £10mil premium in Jan to get him here earlier?

Imagine we are still 11 points clear and strengthen from the strongest position..
 



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Think I will leave that one to Jurgen. :)
Make do with what he has - with the number of fixtures and injuries that may not be an option
Use someone in the squad - Shaqiri doesn't seem to be trusted, Brewster doesn't seem to be ready and starting with Origi leads to a significant drop in quality. Ox is better in midfield and Lallana is not capable of playing up front.
Yeah. But he’s still not signing anyone to make it easier for us to write out two 11s on post it notes while we’re bored in meetings.

Football isn’t played on paper. While we might see a screaming need for a fourth world class forward and that’s that, Klopp also has to consider a million other factors. Is there someone available who fits what we need? Is the right player available but not until summer? What is the effect of bringing a fourth lad who expects to start every game? Will Salah/Firmino/Mane accept playing less? What is the knock on effect of wages? What would Div/Ox/Keita make of being bumped down the order? Have they got mates who will be pissed off as well? Do you have time to integrate a new player? Will that detract from the time you can spend with the other players? Does it mean you have less time to spend rehabilitating Ox and Keita? What about young lads like Jones, Brewster and Elliot? Are you blocking their path to the first team? Did you promise them game time? Do you want to get a reputation for fucking around young lads at important times in their career? What would that mean next time you try to bring someone in. You’ve spent all summer building up these lads confidence for a title push. Does running for reinforcements at the first opportunity undermine that message? Will that affect performance?

The point is that this isn’t a simple decision, especially at the level we are operating. We fans have the luxury of writing out our squads, and going “yeah, we should just buy another forward”. Klopp has to think about all the permutations of that as a decision that affects human beings in the workplace. It’s never simple.
 

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(I don't know myself) Do you think if Sancho is 100% available and he's had his ride on the big one, Klopp would sanction signing him for a £10mil premium in Jan to get him here earlier?

Imagine we are still 11 points clear and strengthen from the strongest position..
I think it has to be perfect.

Firstly Klopp has to be sure Sancho will integrate well. There is a bit of a billy big bollocks reputation about him (which could be exaggerated by Dortmund) and the club will do their diligence on this.

But then it’s about whether Klopp thinks he can get him integrated and contributing in time. It might be different as an attacker but we’ve seen Fabinho, Keita, Robertson, Shaqiri all have to put in months of prep before being trusted to start matches.

I don’t think the club would be bothered about a £10m premium.
 

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This one just doesn't smell right. This would be a luxury purchase and one that isn't in Klopp's style. We needed signings like Becker and Van Dijk to strengthen the first team. Not going to drop a 9-figure sum to relegate one lf your league-leading, CL winning front three to the bench quite yet.

5 years down the road and your record signing walks away on a Bosman at 24years old, because he had a shitty attitude and no loyalty (assuming this from his current situation)

Kavertz, Werner pls

Note: Ericksen is on a Bosman next summer. As is Cavani, Alderweireld, Ryan Fraser, Kurzawa (LB!!), Matuidi....
 

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It's a luxury transfer at best. Look at what we have in terms of squad depth / young players. All he'd do is add to the wage bill when I'd much prefer using what we'd be paying him to pay the players we already have bigger bonuses for the trophies they hopefully win by the end of their current contracts.
 

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Don't get why anyone thinks a forward coming in means someone is off. We are crying out for an elite level forward to rotate with our front 3 - The drop off is massive to Shaqiri, Origi.. And.. Shudder.. Oxlade/Lallana etc.

Sell Origi, Shaqiri,
Wilson and you have his wages paid for and have a player who can slot in anywhere across the front and see zero drop in quality. Exactly what we need now whilst also contingency planning for the future of our front 3 whose avg age is 28.
This post has aged well.
 



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I think it has to be perfect.

Firstly Klopp has to be sure Sancho will integrate well. There is a bit of a billy big bollocks reputation about him (which could be exaggerated by Dortmund) and the club will do their diligence on this.

But then it’s about whether Klopp thinks he can get him integrated and contributing in time. It might be different as an attacker but we’ve seen Fabinho, Keita, Robertson, Shaqiri all have to put in months of prep before being trusted to start matches.

I don’t think the club would be bothered about a £10m premium.
I'm sure that if Klopp had any interest in the player, he'd made sure that he understands how things work at the club under his watch: no-one gets a free pass, everyone has to work hard and prove his worth to the squad, and everyone will be respected and fairly treated while he's here. If Sancho can buy into that, and thus also accept that he'll have to bide his time on the bench at times, there won't be any problems.

As said previously, I don't think that there is genuine interest from our side given the monstrous price-tag and our current quality in-depth overall. I could be wrong though. IF there is mutual interest and a deal happens, I don't think that it will unsettle the squad, even if we keep our attacking trident together. As you say, Klopp and his team will have made their homework on this one, especially with the eye-watering money involved to get him on board.
 

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He's not much more of a luxury signing than Mbappe would be at this moment if he was attainable to Liverpool (or Havertz or any extremely highly rated young player). I don't know what's going on behind the scenes at Dortmund but Sancho has never failed to deliver for them. If he's being made a scapegoat, perhaps there's a reason for that but on the pitch, he often puts his senior teammates to shame with his application and influence in the final third. He's scored against Bayern, Schalke and Barcelona at this age as well, suggesting that he's also a big game player.

If Klopp and Edwards want him - and they did a couple of years back - that's good enough for me. He certainly wouldn't be getting the money that the likes of Van Dijk, Salah or Mane get and wouldn't be a guaranteed starter unless he earned that spot, regardless of his price tag (case in point, Fabinho and Keita). I'm against his ludicrous price tag, though, I'm not sure if he has more than two years left on his contract, that would be the only downside of this deal, in my opinion. Dortmund won't let him go on the cheap, especially if Man United and Chelsea are willing to offer 100+ million pounds, in which case I'd give it a swerve.
 

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I wasn’t on the receiving end, but I thought it was funny as I read the forum. Just a bit of footy banter really, set up by the perfect timing of the two aforementioned players starting and doing well. I didn’t read any real needle in the post, just a funny little poke really, in good humor.

It’s fair to say that the quality drop off after the main front three is too great. But as we were reminded last night, it’s also fair to say that our squad men can play a bit too. Origi looked good through the middle... he hasn’t looked as good out wide. Shaqiri played well too... he hasn’t been seen for quite a while until yesterday.

So good players, yes. But room for improvement and/or upgrading? Still a yes, if the opportunity presents itself.