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Kolo Touré (CB) Manchester City

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WellRedKev said:
So if we spend say 12m on Papa, 4m on Illori, how much more do you want to spend on defence. You suggest we dont sign Toure as there are better options out there at 10m - 12m? Do you expect us to sign another 12m player? I cant see us spending close to 30m on the defence.Wisdom and Kelly give further depth in an injury crisis
you want defenders that are better and could cost 10-12M? Benatia, Santana (off to Schalke), Nkoulou, Alderweireld, Dede, Inigo Martinez, Jagielka, Miranda, Chico Flores. List is endless, even in the EPL you can find so many defenders who wouldnt cost as much.

You get Papadoupolos, Ilori and Toure, lose Carragher, Skrtel and Coates. If you get an injury, you are messed if none of the others step up. I would love to believe that Ilori will be good, but the mere mention of Wisdom and Kelly at CB doesnt auger well, and not with the average fullbacks on book.

CB, RB, LB, DM all need better. The attack could get better, but seal the defense and you get a better platform for the attack. Masch was never properly replaced, now you have Toure who hasnt been on the same level as Carragher being lined up as his replacement.
 


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There are definetley better options, but typical our fans dont want him because he's fat, druggie etc
They was a top class defender. He suits the pass and move play as he did that at Arsenal.

He was good against us at Anfield. Would rather have someone who has class and experience on every level.
More importantly brings experience in the dressing room. We have alot of Youth coming through so its important we get the balance. If we can add Popodopoulous then we look relatively stronger.
 

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I love kolo, wouldn't mind having him as an experienced.backup option
 



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I find this a little flat to be honest. I wouldn't be disappointed to have Kolo join on the condition that he isn't the 1st team replacement we need rather a decent back up. He could challenge Skrtel for his position and would certainly keep Coates away from the squad but I dunno about him being a regular.
To see Toure and Skrtel on the bench with Agger and someone else of note on the pitch would be a sign of us moving in the right direction tho....
 

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Carragher replaced by Toure - Zero in transfer fees.
Skrtl replaced by Papadopoulos - £10m for Skrtl, £18m for Papa
Coates replaced by Illori - £4m Coates, £2.5m for Illori.

Total outlay in the region of £6.5m.

Given Skrtl and Coates just don't seem to be trusted/rated by Rodgers and we've lost Carragher without any fee that might be as good as we can expect in terms of rebuilding the centre of defence in one fell swoop whilst also leaving us money to strengthen elsewhere. Gives us an experienced head with an experience of winning, a highly rated, dominant younger player who could be here for a decade or more and a younger player with pace and ball playing skills, something lacking in Coates game.

I'm not overly keen on Kolo but he could be like Gallas has been for Spurs. An experienced older head that is happy to play less and less games but does a good job when required and could be invaluable to have with two young centre backs also potentially joining. His willingness not to be a first choice gives you chance to blood the younger options without encountering the situation we've had with Skrtl where he's been unhappy at not being in the first eleven every week.
 

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I think this is a solid signing. He isn't a world class centreback but he clearly isn't being brought into to be a starter. He'll be perfect off the bench and in busy periods.

3rd/4th choice this is exactly what we need. We do need some experience at the back, signing a team of promising youngsters is too fm like.
 

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Don't quite understand how he fits into the new long term plans for the club....good experinced player but.............


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I read that Titus Bramble is available.......
One of the greatest center half's ever in the North East.
 



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SUPER PORK CHOP said:
Don't quite understand how he fits into the new long term plans for the club....good experinced player but.............


One of the greatest center half's ever in the North East.
That policy isn't set in sto e, will people ever get over this money ball, strategy bullshit.

We are aiming to bring in younger promising players because we can't afford the proven ones, we can still add an old head to the team if Rodgers wants him. Fuck me.
 

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I see where everyone is going with the arguements, but I still wonder if it would stifle the development of Wisdom and Kelly.

The way I see it is:

Starters - Agger and (hopefully) Papa
Back up - Ilori, Kelly and Wisdom.

We don't even know if Skrtel is off yet, and to be honest with you I'd rather keep Skrtel another season to fight for a starting place than bring Kolo in. Yes he'd bring leadership etc but we need 3 defenders fighing for 2 starting places. Kolo wouldn't be fighting for a starting spot thus Agger and Skrtel (or whoever) might get complacent.

The other thing that puts me off Kolo is that he was banned for 6 months for failing a drugs test. The banned substance he was taking was in a dieting pill he was using. I'm sorry, but a proffesional footballer that trains daily with the first team squad should not be needing to take pills to help him lose weight. He must just be lazy!

Hoping this is just a smoke screen and we're actually eyeing up a different Man City player (either Richards or Sinclair).
 

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Was it Richards than Johnny howson embarrassingly shrugged off the other day to score?
 

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People forget that Toure is also versatile. He played DM under Wenger while at Arsenal and can play comfortably in either LCB or RCB. Maybe he is brought in as a versatile cover for several positions. In matches where we will need more steel, Toure could be partnering Lucas/Gerrard in midfield.

This is one free signing that is worth the risk as we have a need for cover in that position and he looked good this season when he covered for Kompany or partnered him. (I dare say in better form than Kompany this season).
 
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1dragon said:
People forget that Toure is also versatile. He played DM under Wenger while at Arsenal and can play comfortably in either LCB or RCB. Maybe he is brought in as a versatile cover for several positions. In matches where we will need more steel, Toure could be partnering Lucas/Gerrard in midfield.

This is one free signing that is worth the risk as we have a need for cover in that position and he looked good this season when he covered for Kompany or partnered him. (I dare say in better form than Kompany this season).
I think his days playing DM are over.
 



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If we are losing Skrtel then i can see how getting Kolo is a good deal. We'd have Agger, Papa and Llori as first 3 and then at the moment we'd have Coates getting no game time and stagnating. At least with Kolo coming in (hopefully on not much higher wages than Coates) then we can loan Coates out. They pay his wages which covers Kolo, Coates gets game time and experience, we get a player that brings a "winners attitude" almost for free even with the wages and eventually get Coates back as a better player with experience.

Also as others have mentioned he can cover DM as well. I can see this being a positive signing, especially as it leaves us more money as well to get better players in other positions. I think you need good cover and we'd have that anyway, Llori, Kelly and Wisdom all possible and Kolo as well backing up Agger and Papa plus Coates possible as we could bring him back if all the others aren't up to scratch. I'd rather do this than have Coates on the bench doing nothing or selling him (i still think he can become a really good CB).
 

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meh, kind of the type of (not so) "big" signing I would expect. not overly impressed if it happens, I just have this feeling of deja-vu about this one since the J.Cole debacle.

hopefully we've learnt a lesson or two about offering crazy wages to freebies, I'd better have us making him a reasonnable offer that he's likely to turn down than willing to land him at any cost.
 

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I would be hard pressed to think of any reason why the club would pursue him "at any cost". Most rumours pointed out that it will on reduced wages from what he is getting at Man City.
 

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basil1492 said:
If we are losing Skrtel then i can see how getting Kolo is a good deal. We'd have Agger, Papa and Llori as first 3 and then at the moment we'd have Coates getting no game time and stagnating. At least with Kolo coming in (hopefully on not much higher wages than Coates) then we can loan Coates out. They pay his wages which covers Kolo, Coates gets game time and experience, we get a player that brings a "winners attitude" almost for free even with the wages and eventually get Coates back as a better player with experience.

Also as others have mentioned he can cover DM as well. I can see this being a positive signing, especially as it leaves us more money as well to get better players in other positions. I think you need good cover and we'd have that anyway, Llori, Kelly and Wisdom all possible and Kolo as well backing up Agger and Papa plus Coates possible as we could bring him back if all the others aren't up to scratch. I'd rather do this than have Coates on the bench doing nothing or selling him (i still think he can become a really good CB).
First I think its Ilori with an I not a L. Second how long has it been since Toure has played DM? I can accept him as our experienced CB playing the odd game but with his reduced pace at his age, I don't see him doing well at either fullback positions. So he's not really a versatile defender is he?
 



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First I think its Ilori with an I not a L. Second how long has it been since Toure has played DM? I can accept him as our experienced CB playing the odd game but with his reduced pace at his age, I don't see him doing well at either fullback positions. So he's not really a versatile defender is he?
he has not played as a DM since his early Arsenal days. But to me, he is an intelligent player and we can take a leaf out of Claude Makele who is the classic, "old and slow" but still manage to do a damn good job for Chelsea. I think Kolo, while not necessarily better than Makele, has similar qualities in his reading of the game. That said, I still think he is here, if signed, to be the old head replacement for Carragher.
 

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gasband said:
he has not played as a DM since his early Arsenal days. But to me, he is an intelligent player and we can take a leaf out of Claude Makele who is the classic, "old and slow" but still manage to do a damn good job for Chelsea. I think Kolo, while not necessarily better than Makele, has similar qualities in his reading of the game. That said, I still think he is here, if signed, to be the old head replacement for Carragher.
I'd still rather a proper DM than a guy that played there a few years ago. We also need energy, pace and power in midfield not just power. Toure doesn't have pace or energy at his age, I doubt he'd do better than Lucas so he wouldn't really be providing competition.
 

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I'd still rather a proper DM than a guy that played there a few years ago. We also need energy, pace and power in midfield not just power. Toure doesn't have pace or energy at his age, I doubt he'd do better than Lucas so he wouldn't really be providing competition.
as I said, i think he is not meant to provide the competition for Lucas. Perhaps emergency cover yes. I think other than Wanyama if we want to buy him, we can look at playing Coady more often to ease him into the first team and also to see how good he is in the premier league

But no as I said, as a 3rd/4th choice CB, there are not many out there with his experience and still of good quality who will come at reduced wages and free transfer.
 

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Spearo and Gerrard are both likely to be better in a DM position than Kolo.
 

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you really think he has what he takes a team to the top?
Won the league twice captained a very talented arsenal side so he does have the talent for a top team the thing is if he does join we need to get him fit. He has quality in him and let's hope he discovers his top form here.
 



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and not to mentioned that he was 1 half of the CB pairing that went on an unbeaten run throughout the whole season in the league. That is not luck. That is showing some quality and consistency. No one should be led to believe that he is the younger Toure then but he is still of a certain quality not many Cbs his age has.
 

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I think this could be a masterstroke as he was a great defender who attacked the ball and was very good at interceptions and winning the ball in the air and if he can pass any knowledge on abd show this in training he may be the making of young wisdom. They are similar in stature and if he can pick up any of the good points to kolo game all the better.
 

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1dragon said:
People forget that Toure is also versatile. He played DM under Wenger while at Arsenal and can play comfortably in either LCB or RCB. Maybe he is brought in as a versatile cover for several positions. In matches where we will need more steel, Toure could be partnering Lucas/Gerrard in midfield.

This is one free signing that is worth the risk as we have a need for cover in that position and he looked good this season when he covered for Kompany or partnered him. (I dare say in better form than Kompany this season).
I'm not having a go mate but why on earth do we want a defender who's not good enough as a central defender because he can play (can be argued though) in some other positions? I'm drunk (it'a close to midnight in Japan) but I have no idea why this "can play in different positions" is good? The general idea of a club like LIverpool should be to have specialists in every position. Ok, LW could play RW but that's basically it. Toure is not good enough.
 

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This reminds me of when Spurs signed Gallas. Seemed past it but has provided good leadership and cover when they've needed it and despite being a bit of a liability this year, I think he has earned his keep there throughout his contract.

Some food for thought - say we sell Skrtel and Coates and buy Papa and Ilori. Say one of them has trouble settling in and another gets injured - we could be looking at Ilori and Kelly as our starting CBs. Lots of potential there but I think we all agree that we need more experience for our next campaign. As long as he is relatively cheap (which is probably going to be the case considering out wage standards) then there doesn't seem to be a huge downside.

Another note - lots of stories coming out about Mancini's terrible relationships with many of the players which certainly could factor into Kolo's poor form this past season. Additionally, I think he looked particularly bad when playing as the right side of a back three - I remember Sterling giving him a tough time there in the beginning of the season. Does not seem to be his strongest position but he may still cut it in a partnership with a quicker CB (i.e. Kelly or Ilori).
 

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First I think its Ilori with an I not a L. Second how long has it been since Toure has played DM? I can accept him as our experienced CB playing the odd game but with his reduced pace at his age, I don't see him doing well at either fullback positions. So he's not really a versatile defender is he?
Maybe not that versatile but he's just an emergency cover. How many games did Coates get as 4th choice this season? Mostly he was played to give him game time rather than him being needed. I think Toure could be emergency cover at a few positions, i remember seeing him at RB a few times as well as CB and even if he has lost some pace and put on weight there's no reason why he can't lose the weight. I think if we get llori, Papa and him that we are well covered at the back even if we lose Skrtel and allow Coates to go on loan. Between GJ,Wisdom,Kelly,Enrique,Agger and the new guys we have 8 players not counting the youngsters coming through.
 



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