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Kolo Touré (CB) Manchester City

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grooveshark

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Personally, I dont think he is good enough, he is on the decline and has been on that route since before Arsenal sold him.

People point out that he was one half of a team that went unbeaten......that was ages ago. As an athlete, he is on the decline, as a defender of note he is on the decline and has been for quite some time.

If you want to make top 4, i believe you have to invest on players that can enable you to get there, the sceptic in me just doesnt believe that Toure does that. He is getting slower, and one of the main complaints i had about Carragher in as much as he performed well was that th team had to compensate for his lack of pace by not pressing. As such, the team was ever on the back foot. Toure for me is the same.
 


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grooveshark said:
Personally, I dont think he is good enough, he is on the decline and has been on that route since before Arsenal sold him.

People point out that he was one half of a team that went unbeaten......that was ages ago. As an athlete, he is on the decline, as a defender of note he is on the decline and has been for quite some time.

If you want to make top 4, i believe you have to invest on players that can enable you to get there, the sceptic in me just doesnt believe that Toure does that. He is getting slower, and one of the main complaints i had about Carragher in as much as he performed well was that th team had to compensate for his lack of pace by not pressing. As such, the team was ever on the back foot. Toure for me is the same.
Toure was always quicker than Carragher ever was so while he is slower than he was he's probably quicker than Carragher was this past season.

If we want to make it back into the top 4 then we're going to need experienced players that can handle the pressure. We lost valuable experience when Carragher retired and Papadopoulos and Ilori won't be helping us there. Where else are we going to find the level of experience that Kolo has and be cheap to get that wants to come to us? Certainly prefer Kolo to Ashley Williams, as he would be cheaper and far more prepared to handle the pressure of playing at a top club. Kolo has Premier league experience and could be got without paying a transfer fee. Do you realize how rare that is?
At first I was not for it but after much thought I hope it happens as long as he doesn't ask for high wages and a long term contract. Under 40,000p/w on no more than a two year deal would be appropriate.
 

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With all those comments about how he has gained weight... It would be funny if all Kolo needed to get back to top form was a substitute for the diet pills that led to his drug ban.
 



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I think this is a good move as long as he's only used sparingly and on low wages. We need more players with his character and leadership qualities especially with Carra stepping down and probably Pepe off to. Hopefully our young cb's like will learn some good things from him.Will be interesting to see what cb's we will have on the books for the season ahead.

Maybe:
Agger Papa
Ilori Toure
Kelly Wisdom
 

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If he comes in with a contract that matches his reduced abilities AND someone else is brought as a first teamer (Papa sounds juicy), then this would be a good transfer. We've moaned and bitched about the lack of characters, winners and experience in the squad, this is an opportunity to add some of that for a fair price.
 

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SirBillShankly said:
I think this is a good move as long as he's only used sparingly and on low wages. We need more players with his character and leadership qualities especially with Carra stepping down and probably Pepe off to. Hopefully our young cb's like will learn some good things from him.Will be interesting to see what cb's we will have on the books for the season ahead.

Maybe:
Agger Papa
Ilori Toure
Kelly Wisdom
Yummy! If we can get 20m for Skrtel and Coates than we'd be able to pay for Papadopoulos and Ilori with it. Now that would be good business.
 

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I'm not having a go mate but why on earth do we want a defender who's not good enough as a central defender because he can play (can be argued though) in some other positions? I'm drunk (it'a close to midnight in Japan) but I have no idea why this "can play in different positions" is good? The general idea of a club like LIverpool should be to have specialists in every position. Ok, LW could play RW but that's basically it. Toure is not good enough.
Changing tactics during a game without making a substitution?
 



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MarlboroMan said:
Yummy! If we can get 20m for Skrtel and Coates than we'd be able to pay for Papadopoulos and Ilori with it. Now that would be good business.
In our dream. Skrtel probs 8-12. Coates 2-3.
 

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For the right wages, could be a shrewd signing. He undoubtedly has the ability, just the doubts are about his fitness/mentality. As a Carra replacement, he might do quite nicely.
 

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mr mustard said:
Changing tactics during a game without making a substitution?
Or a sub who could come in for several different positions in case of injuries or under performance. I think he could be a good experienced back up and spot starter. Every team needs some players who are capable of playing multiple positions. That being said, I will be very nervous if he is expected to be first choice.

I'm guessing a cheaper vet, and I would think signing Toure would mean Williams is no longer a target.
 

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How many of our "new" scouts came straight out of Man City to us just a year ago?
They must have given a clear go ahead regarding Kolo....and they must see/know about a potential that others don't see.
These people know him well and they would never put their own reputation on the line if they didn't rate him highly.

Because of these circumstances I seriously believe he could have more to offer.

Still counting on us getting Ilori and Papa as well, though :D
 

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MarlboroMan said:
Yummy! If we can get 20m for Skrtel and Coates than we'd be able to pay for Papadopoulos and Ilori with it. Now that would be good business.
Yeah, makes good reading doesn't it? Skrtel, Carra and Coates replaced by those three, however i know next to nothing about the Greek (apart from you tube clips on here) and iIlori but they seem to be highly rated and i like the idea of a really aggressive nutcase playing alongside DAgger.

Maybe we will also add Begovic and Digne to that list. We could well have a quality defence next season, especially when Lucas gets back to his best.
 



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SirBillShankly said:
Yeah, makes good reading doesn't it? Skrtel, Carra and Coates replaced by those three, however i know next to nothing about the Greek (apart from you tube clips on here) and iIlori but they seem to be highly rated and i like the idea of a really aggressive nutcase playing alongside DAgger.

Maybe we will also add Begovic and Digne to that list. We could well have a quality defence next season, especially when Lucas gets back to his best.
We need a scumbag defender and it neess to be our priority this summer. Look at the strikers who hurt us most this season, Benteke, Lakaku, Lambertt, Walters, that from Oldham, it is easily our greatest weakness.

Skrtel and Coates are big bloody lads but they can get pushed about very easy. Even Grant Holt has had joy against us.

I see him as a direct replacement for Carragher, experience to steady the ship, remember who is keeping him out of the City team, possibly the best defender in the world and a couple of other pretty decent players. Got to be honest would love Micah Richards, fast, strong great going forward and an agressive little fooker.

Team Toure up with a strong, fast young defender and we will be doing well. As has already been said we have a pretty decent chance of losing Pepe this summer so we can't bring only young inexperienced players that would leave only Gerrard as the only snr player above 30 would it not? Jones is 31 but hardly a snr player.

With any luck we could fall on another Gary Mac.
 

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grooveshark said:
you want defenders that are better and could cost 10-12M? Benatia, Santana (off to Schalke), Nkoulou, Alderweireld, Dede, Inigo Martinez, Jagielka, Miranda, Chico Flores. List is endless, even in the EPL you can find so many defenders who wouldnt cost as much.

You get Papadoupolos, Ilori and Toure, lose Carragher, Skrtel and Coates. If you get an injury, you are messed if none of the others step up. I would love to believe that Ilori will be good, but the mere mention of Wisdom and Kelly at CB doesnt auger well, and not with the average fullbacks on book.

CB, RB, LB, DM all need better. The attack could get better, but seal the defense and you get a better platform for the attack. Masch was never properly replaced, now you have Toure who hasnt been on the same level as Carragher being lined up as his replacement.
Toure is coming in on a free, how is a 12m signing an alternative to him?
 

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How many of our "new" scouts came straight out of Man City to us just a year ago?
They must have given a clear go ahead regarding Kolo....and they must see/know about a potential that others don't see.
These people know him well and they would never put their own reputation on the line if they didn't rate him highly.

Because of these circumstances I seriously believe he could have more to offer.

Still counting on us getting Ilori and Papa as well, though :D
Never made that association. Good thinking. Its a wonder the ITK bluffers didnt link us with man City players either. Shows them up for what they are, keyboard warriorrs.

Yeah think m,ost would welcome Toure in that capacity, with others coming in beside him to give us good strenght in that centre back position and plenty of comeptition.
 

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It's all about building a squad where people aren't all the same age. The old generation needs to tutor and teach the next one. Buying Papa and Toure would leave us with defenders aged 32-28-22-21-20 presuming Kelly is in the mix - so we're building a much-needed bridge. Look at what it was before, which is 35-28-28-21.
 

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Do people actually believe that someone coming in for free is actually free?

Free agents get a hefty signing on fee in lieu of the transfer fee don't they?
 



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Dane said:
Do people actually believe that someone coming in for free is actually free?

Free agents get a hefty signing on fee in lieu of the transfer fee don't they?
Normally, yes. I thought I had read something in this case though about the signing on fee potentially being waived?
 

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Dane said:
Do people actually believe that someone coming in for free is actually free?

Free agents get a hefty signing on fee in lieu of the transfer fee don't they?
According to the same sources bringing this one, there's no signing on fee and he's taking a huge pay cut. Who knows whether or not that's true. I guess we never will know for sure. Normally the transfer fee is really just spread across wages and singing bonuses. I think that FSG are so tight with older players that it's just unlikely that he'll cost us much more than normal wages.
 

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Dane said:
Do people actually believe that someone coming in for free is actually free?

Free agents get a hefty signing on fee in lieu of the transfer fee don't they?
As well as agents Fees which will be quite high as well. Most likley be in the region of 5M
 



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How much of that £5m is totally imaginary, mate? 
Mate it is not hard to figure as the player will be getting a fee and the agents fee is usual worked out from what the player gets as a wage over the lenght of the contract, they don't work for free.
 

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Mate it is not hard to figure as the player will be getting a fee and the agents fee is usual worked out from what the player gets as a wage over the lenght of the contract, they don't work for free.
My issue isn't that that people need to get paid. I accept that money's going to change hands. I just don't see where you've got this figure from. With respect, you plucked it out of thin air. When people read it, they'll be thinking 'Nah, don't want him. He'll cost us loads'. Really, though, we don't know what the deal is. He might well have waived his fee, as is coming from several sources.
 

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Normally, yes. I thought I had read something in this case though about the signing on fee potentially being waived?
Yes, I read somewhere that Microsoft are giving away their products for free! :eek:
 

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You do realise that as per a recent report, Liverpool were amongst the highest spenders on agent fees?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20562889
It's not just free transfers that see agents get fees, they also get them as part of any personnel move - and considering the period quoted in that report is when we spent over £110m (includes the January we bought Carroll and Suarez, as well as the summer we bought Downing, Henderson, et al) and the payoffs we had to give Degen, Jovanovic, Voronin, and Hodgson and his staff, I'm actually surprised it wasn't higher.
 

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Cortez said:
My issue isn't that that people need to get paid. I accept that money's going to change hands. I just don't see where you've got this figure from. With respect, you plucked it out of thin air. When people read it, they'll be thinking 'Nah, don't want him. He'll cost us loads'. Really, though, we don't know what the deal is. He might well have waived his fee, as is coming from several sources.
And that will what effect exactly over whether or not this deal does/does not take place?
 



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