Kylian Mbappé (FW) PSG

What will Mbappe be leaning on?

  • The number 6, which he cheekily turns upside down into a 9, waggling his eyebrows

  • Mikey Edward's elephant-sized cock

  • Piled up lifesized cutouts of Benteke, Carroll, Jovanovic, and Voronin

  • Maria's tea set

  • ISMF's ego for starting this thread

  • A simple conference table, because he has fully accepted being a humble part of the red machine

  • The burnt-out remains of the redcafe server

  • None of the above coz he ain't fookin comin', man

  • A big VAR screen, to freak out all Abu Dhabi fans


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Anfield rd Dreamer

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So lets look at what the situation is with Mbappe.

World famous mega star that is still really young.

Hasn't let the ego get to him, Klopp has used him and Trent as the examples for young players to look to when it comes to attitude and work ethic.

Currently one of the top 4 forwards on the planet with Messi (aging), Salah and Mane also being in that honoured list and only just turned 21.

Subject of a long term courtship by Real Madrid who almost certainly can't afford him at top value price and are seriously pissing PSG off with their activity.

Doesn't seem to be probable that he will stay at PSG long term and doesn't look like he will extend his contract with 2 years left this summer.

Real seem like they might be laying the groundwork for a reduced (but still expensive) deal in 2021 when he has 12 months left on his deal. If he is saying "Real or nobody" and entering the last year of his deal then PSG (even with their money) will need to accept whatever is offered.

PSG would probably prefer to sell this summer when at top value if they have to sell but there's very few teams that could even hope to do that (if any).

If you're Mbappe there is probably only between 2 and 5 clubs that are now worth moving to. And most of them have lots of disruptions with manager changes and such so is it worth moving yet?

In my fantasy head our stability appeals to the player and us not being Real appeals to PSG who would prefer to be a bit more realistic with us now than risk being fleeced by Real later or lose him for free at the age of 23.

I know money required will be astronomical but we have plenty, we're making plenty and not spending any of it. If Klopp wants to pay a fee of £150-200 million I legitimately believe we could if theres no other business. Especially with sales.

Looking at wages seems impossible at first but Nike have invested a lot with us, if what they pay Mbappe increases significantly because of him playing and marketing the LFC Nike gear then what LFC would need to pay him wouldn't be as high.

I may be away visiting a Faun in Narnia or flying to Never Never Land to be a pirate with these thoughts but so be it. Till something happens I'm grasping on to these fanciful notions and not letting go.
 

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So lets look at what the situation is with Mbappe.

World famous mega star that is still really young.

Hasn't let the ego get to him, Klopp has used him and Trent as the examples for young players to look to when it comes to attitude and work ethic.

Currently one of the top 4 forwards on the planet with Messi (aging), Salah and Mane also being in that honoured list and only just turned 21.

Subject of a long term courtship by Real Madrid who almost certainly can't afford him at top value price and are seriously pissing PSG off with their activity.

Doesn't seem to be probable that he will stay at PSG long term and doesn't look like he will extend his contract with 2 years left this summer.

Real seem like they might be laying the groundwork for a reduced (but still expensive) deal in 2021 when he has 12 months left on his deal. If he is saying "Real or nobody" and entering the last year of his deal then PSG (even with their money) will need to accept whatever is offered.

PSG would probably prefer to sell this summer when at top value if they have to sell but there's very few teams that could even hope to do that (if any).

If you're Mbappe there is probably only between 2 and 5 clubs that are now worth moving to. And most of them have lots of disruptions with manager changes and such so is it worth moving yet?

In my fantasy head our stability appeals to the player and us not being Real appeals to PSG who would prefer to be a bit more realistic with us now than risk being fleeced by Real later or lose him for free at the age of 23.

I know money required will be astronomical but we have plenty, we're making plenty and not spending any of it. If Klopp wants to pay a fee of £150-200 million I legitimately believe we could if theres no other business. Especially with sales.

Looking at wages seems impossible at first but Nike have invested a lot with us, if what they pay Mbappe increases significantly because of him playing and marketing the LFC Nike gear then what LFC would need to pay him wouldn't be as high.

I may be away visiting a Faun in Narnia or flying to Never Never Land to be a pirate with these thoughts but so be it. Till something happens I'm grasping on to these fanciful notions and not letting go.
You forgot our secret weapon: Agent Fabinho.
 

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Salah and Mane will turn 28 this year and Firmino 29, so at some point we have to begin refreshing the squad, the current core won't stay together for that much longer. I can see the club allowing Salah to leave in the summer to finance a move for Mbappe. Alternatively, of course, wait until next summer. Both Salah and Mane will go for megabucks even at 29. Where there's a will, there's a way.
 

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Salah and Mane will turn 28 this year and Firmino 29, so at some point we have to begin refreshing the squad, the current core won't stay together for that much longer. I can see the club allowing Salah to leave in the summer to finance a move for Mbappe. Alternatively, of course, wait until next summer. Both Salah and Mane will go for megabucks even at 29. Where there's a will, there's a way.
I would be concerned that bringing in Mbappe will take up so much of our funds that we still wouldnt be in a position to refresh the squad.
 

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Salah and Mane will turn 28 this year and Firmino 29, so at some point we have to begin refreshing the squad, the current core won't stay together for that much longer. I can see the club allowing Salah to leave in the summer to finance a move for Mbappe. Alternatively, of course, wait until next summer. Both Salah and Mane will go for megabucks even at 29. Where there's a will, there's a way.
There's still a good 4-5 years left in the current core of players if they want it. We shouldn't be selling Salah or Mane at 29 because they're getting old, only if they want to leave and we have suitable replacements lined up. At 29 they have loads of time left to win us trophies.
 

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There's still a good 4-5 years left in the current core of players if they want it. We shouldn't be selling Salah or Mane at 29 because they're getting old, only if they want to leave and we have suitable replacements lined up. At 29 they have loads of time left to win us trophies.
We outevolve them is the other alternative. The rest of the team is already performing at at a higher level than the front three in terms of relative performance year on year.
 

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Whats really great about Mbappe is that hes such a down to earth guy. He would fit right in at Liverpool.

Regarding price he only has 2 years left on his contract after this season. If he runs it down 1 more year his price goes right down. After that its a case of where does he want to go.

Our best chance would be for Zidane to fail (Zidane is his idol), they get an average manager to replace him Real become less attractive. At the moment id say its between them and us as to where hed want to go. Right now it points to Madrid but things can change.
 
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There's still a good 4-5 years left in the current core of players if they want it. We shouldn't be selling Salah or Mane at 29 because they're getting old, only if they want to leave and we have suitable replacements lined up. At 29 they have loads of time left to win us trophies.
There's plenty of room to plan though, eh ?

I'd actually be surprised if we didn't add this summer or next January. Minamino is peg 1 to bed in. I absolutely expect peg 2 to be bought in within the next year. Jones, Elliott to be behind those. Werner is a real possibility for that 'peg 2' position.

I have no basis for thinking it but I do believe that at least 1 of our front 3 will want to "live their dream" at a Barca or RM. It's a lifestyle/ accepted peak for players. We need to plan for players having achieved it ALL, here; then doing their 'dream' thing. Difference is NOW, we attract the next wave of the best.
 

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There's plenty of room to plan though, eh ?

I'd actually be surprised if we didn't add this summer or next January. Minamino is peg 1 to bed in. I absolutely expect peg 2 to be bought in within the next year. Jones, Elliott to be behind those. Werner is a real possibility for that 'peg 2' position.

I have no basis for thinking it but I do believe that at least 1 of our front 3 will want to "live their dream" at a Barca or RM. It's a lifestyle/ accepted peak for players. We need to plan for players having achieved it ALL, here; then doing their 'dream' thing. Difference is NOW, we attract the next wave of the best.
We can plan if we want. I just don't understand the rush to sell world class players at 29. No other dominant, silverware winning sides voluntarily do it, why should we?

Squeeze every last bit of success out of them.
 

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The level of focus and commitment this group has showed over the past 2 years has been incredible. Doing that on a day to day basis is exhausting, but there are always been some hook to keep them going.
- 2 years ago you get to the end of the season and you look at the CL final and think what might have been and ask them to go again
- Last year you look at how well we did in the league and still didnt win it. You then win the CL and ask the lads to go again knowing that there is no way to keep the champions of europe down if we perform.

There does come a point that you do reach the finish line though. How do you ask for the same next year once we've won the league? At some point it pretty much has to come down to new players, even if that is only to provide them the internal challenge they need to maintain their standards.
 
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We can plan if we want. I just don't understand the rush to sell world class players at 29. No other dominant, silverware winning sides voluntarily do it, why should we?

Squeeze every last bit of success out of them.
Nah, you have to sell them at 29.... it's the Moneyball way. Yanks Out!

Ok, all kidding aside, you're absolutely right. You buy/sell based on their current contribution level for the team. Some players will be sold earlier or later than others, and all good. I think the main players for Liverpool all have at least a few more years in them, but we do want to ensure we have consistent players through out in order to maintain a constant stream of top level play lest we end up having to completely reset again (and that's not fun).

With that, I expect we'll move some of our players on and bring in others, but not because we have to or because they hit a certain age.
 

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Mane,Bobby and Salah have another 5 seasons at the top. To suggest replacing them is very Fifa and football manager esque. They are currently in their peak and long left to still put up elite numbers. These are extremely fit and professional ballers. If they were injury prone it would be one thing but Mbappe should only be added to our front 3 not to replace. We are the best club in the world now. Not bargain hunting wheelers and dealers. Ffs
 

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Mane,Bobby and Salah have another 5 seasons at the top. To suggest replacing them is very Fifa and football manager esque. They are currently in their peak and long left to still put up elite numbers. These are extremely fit and professional ballers. If they were injury prone it would be one thing but Mbappe should only be added to our front 3 not to replace. We are the best club in the world now. Not bargain hunting wheelers and dealers. Ffs
To be fair Mbappe is the one player I wouldn't mind replacing our front 3 with. He's world class.

Sancho, Havertz, Werner...no. They're squad level players.
 

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To be fair Mbappe is the one player I wouldn't mind replacing our front 3 with. He's world class.

Sancho, Havertz, Werner...no. They're squad level players.
Not sure I agree that those in the German league are squad level players. Maybe they are squad level for this current Liverpool team, but not for most.
Havertz is yet unproven on a consistency basis, but Werner and Sancho have each backed up good seasons.
Mbappe is a great player, but he's a great player on far and away the best team in a 1 team league (much worse league than the German league where the other 3 play).

Besides, how many of the "world class" players at Liverpool were "world class" when we bought them? I'm guessing Alisson and possibly Virgil?
That's about it. All the others were developed and improved at Liverpool.
 

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Not sure I agree that those in the German league are squad level players. Maybe they are squad level for this current Liverpool team, but not for most.
Havertz is yet unproven on a consistency basis, but Werner and Sancho have each backed up good seasons.
Mbappe is a great player, but he's a great player on far and away the best team in a 1 team league (much worse league than the German league where the other 3 play).
That would be fair if we hadn't seen him do it for Monaco prior to the move.
 

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Not sure I agree that those in the German league are squad level players. Maybe they are squad level for this current Liverpool team, but not for most.
Havertz is yet unproven on a consistency basis, but Werner and Sancho have each backed up good seasons.
Mbappe is a great player, but he's a great player on far and away the best team in a 1 team league (much worse league than the German league where the other 3 play).

Besides, how many of the "world class" players at Liverpool were "world class" when we bought them? I'm guessing Alisson and possibly Virgil?
That's about it. All the others were developed and improved at Liverpool.
Mbappe is miles ahead of those 3 in the German league.

My point was that if we're going to actively look to replace one of them it should be with a player of similar quality, not the likes of Sancho and Werner who are significantly behind Mane and Salah.
 

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To be fair Mbappe is the one player I wouldn't mind replacing our front 3 with. He's world class.

Sancho, Havertz, Werner...no. They're squad level players.
I would rather Mbappe went Man Utd than to even consider replacing any of our front 3. I’m a huge fan of Mbappe(reincarnation of R9) but we have to hold this front 3 together until they are 33-34. Reckon they will only get better with time. Also not sure if Mbappe will get as much space to run into like he does in Ligue 1. He’s game is all about runs in behind but we face low block teams every week. So that space inbehind teams is non existent. Salah,Mane and Firmino are great passers and drop deep to create space for themselves. Something Werner and Mbappe have never showed me. Our fan base seem to think Selling Salah is the move(last year it was Mane loool) but Mbappe will not adapt as quickly to the Salah role. It could be a amazing flop like the Sell neymar to sign Coutinho deal. I don’t want to take that risk. Would rather we kept the front 3 together. Rather than force through Mbappe
 

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I would rather Mbappe went Man Utd than to even consider replacing any of our front 3. I’m a huge fan of Mbappe(reincarnation of R9) but we have to hold this front 3 together until they are 33-34. Reckon they will only get better with time. Also not sure if Mbappe will get as much space to run into like he does in Ligue 1. He’s game is all about runs in behind but we face low block teams every week. So that space inbehind teams is non existent. Salah,Mane and Firmino are great passers and drop deep to create space for themselves. Something Werner and Mbappe have never showed me. Our fan base seem to think Selling Salah is the move(last year it was Mane loool) but Mbappe will not adapt as quickly to the Salah role. It could be a amazing flop like the Sell neymar to sign Coutinho deal. I don’t want to take that risk. Would rather we kept the front 3 together. Rather than force through Mbappe
Nah, Mbappe has more to his game than that. He's a very well rounded player. The French league isn't like the German league where it's open season every game. Goals per game is much lower in France IIRC. Teams will be sitting deep against him every week.

I agree with you, I'd keep the front 3 together at all costs as well but Mbappe is probably the only player in the game at the moment I'd consider changing that for if it was possible and made sense with salaries etc. He's going to be one of the top 3 players in the world throughout his career.

We're more or less on the same page though, it's definitely a risk to be thinking about selling Salah and developing another player to his level and IMO it's a pointless risk not worth taking. Unless it's Mbappe ;)
 

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Nah, Mbappe has more to his game than that. He's a very well rounded player. The French league isn't like the German league where it's open season every game. Goals per game is much lower in France IIRC. Teams will be sitting deep against him every week.

I agree with you, I'd keep the front 3 together at all costs as well but Mbappe is probably the only player in the game at the moment I'd consider changing that for if it was possible and made sense with salaries etc. He's going to be one of the top 3 players in the world throughout his career.
Fair enough I haven’t seen much of him last 18 months but he was a glorified Vardy with step overs a few seasons ago. But he was like 18 or something so it’s possible he has added to his game. I just hope we don’t sell any of the front three. Sign mbappe (we have the money) and play 4-2-3-1 with Mbappe upfront and Bobby as a 10 for the win. Don’t know why we have to sell to buy. We have literally been saving money for seasons on end while our club is growing more and more. 100million spent in 5 seasons while Man Utd that haven’t had CL football for 5 seasons have spent 600million. Let’s start acting out size and buy the world class superstar with out having to sell. This is our time @LFC
 

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When I look the player to me he looks like he is going to be the best player in the world for this generation.

The level of his play, maturity and his natural physical attributes at his age is phenomenal.

This isn't like buying Lewandowski or Neymar two world class players (but a tier below the very best). This is like buying a young Messi or Ronaldo where he should be aiming to be amongst the best players ever. Mentioned in comparison to Pele and Maradona. Breaking reccords and making iconic memories.

There comes a point where money is less important than legacy. That's the reason why he will leave PSG. That's the reason he will end up either here (biggest highest profile league and best team) or Madrid/Barcelona (biggest clubs in world).

For me it's like buying VvD. And eye watering amount but today viewed as a bargain. As bizarre as it sounds I think we have a decent chance (with cash windfall of multiple trophies, and saving pennies last few windows).
 

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Players don't get legacies at clubs like Barca and Real. The clubs are too fucked up, too much in turmoil even when winning things, for more than a very tiny number of players to make a lasting legacy for themselves there. Once a Liverpool player always a Liverpool player. At Real the fans are already eyeing up the next player flashing some leg at them before you're in your third season.
 

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I remember his season with Monaco, I hadnt seen much of him and just thought it would end up as just being hype.
Well, i stand corrected. I may be off the mark but he reminds me of the Brazilian Ronaldo but more grounded. In every interview i read, he comes across genuine and speaks well. You can see why Klopp has spoke highly of him and if reports/rumours are to be believed was keen to sign him.
This lad, IMO injury preventing, will be this generations superstar. His skill set and personality fits LFC and Klopp’s style.
Spend the money on him, the scenario is that we get 3/4 years from him at least and if he wants to go Madrid we will make money on him.
I actually believe the front 3 would love to play alongside him, he would make their game better, create chances, make their game easier.
Its a no brainer, especially if Nike can part fund it!
 

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PSG face a choice.

1 Keep him till his contract runs down and lose him at 23 for nothing needing to rebuild a side that he carried.

2 Keep him till he is 22 with only a year left on his contract and accept whatever deal the club he chooses offers. Real seem to be maneuvering for this and completely pissing PSG off in the process because of how transparent it is.

3 Sell him this summer to a club other than Real that Mbappe accepts for less than his "value" but a more realistic fee, maybe somewhere around what they paid. Very limited clubs can even do that, even more limited clubs he would accept a move to.

4 Hang onto him hoping they can persuade him to extend his deal, something he has indicated won't happen and he has no motivation to stay for. He's done all he can do there.

Even PSG can't be reckless enough to go for 1 or 4 and I think pride will mean they will want to avoid the possibility of 2.

I'm with ISMF in that I can actually picture the impossible happening.

In 433 (sometimes even 4231) having a front 3 of Mbappe, Salah, Mane, Firmino, Minamino, Elliot and Brewster is fine by me. Sometimes emergency cover from Jones and Ox. The others are all likely to want to move on anyway with others coming in. Shaqiri already seems to want to go and Origi wanted to leave in the past over playing time before he elevated himself to 4th choice. Both will command reasonable moves to decent clubs at good fees now. Everyone wins.
 

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If we can sign Mbappe, we should! Anfield Rd Dreamer does an excellent job a few posts up of laying it all out and at least making it seem plausible. If signing Mbappe means losing one of the current front three, I would also do that. We are talking about a player who is at their level already, and who has every chance of going even higher, for many years to come.

If we don't sign Mbappe then I don't really understand all the *ock-teasing that is going on from various quarters. It all seems a bit of a game if there's no substance to this one. (Lebron, Sturridge, Linda, Trent, Jurgen, Mbappe himself, etc.)

If the booby prize ends up being one or two of Werner, Sancho and Havertz, then that just shows what an amazing place we are in these days.
 

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Mbappe has 10+ years left at the very top, but even if we do sign him I would imagine he will still be looking at Real Madrid in 4-5 years time. If we splurge the cash we will have to make sure we protect our asset and don't get our pants pulled down at the end of it.
 

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If Mbappe were to come here it would need to be a perfect storm.

If he goes at the end of this season it wont be to us. His fee will be astronomical and it will be Madrid that will get him. So he would need to hang on another year at PSG for his fee to come down to a reachable level. And when I say reachable were still talking the £150million mark.

Number 2 is that by the end of next season Real Madrid do crap and are in disarray.

And number 3 is that we win another CL to keep us at the top of the tree.
 

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If Mbappe were to come here it would need to be a perfect storm.

If he goes at the end of this season it wont be to us. His fee will be astronomical and it will be Madrid that will get him. So he would need to hang on another year at PSG for his fee to come down to a reachable level. And when I say reachable were still talking the £150million mark.

Number 2 is that by the end of next season Real Madrid do crap and are in disarray.

And number 3 is that we win another CL to keep us at the top of the tree.
2 back to back CL finals including winning one, we are at the top of the tree regardless what happens this year in the CL. We are setting world wide records with our form in the league.

I also think that, at the moment at least, out of us and Real Madrid right now we are likely to be able to put together the bigger fee if we want to.

Real have multiple needs, FFP worries and despite what they've done in the past they are nowhere near as strong financially as their reputation would have people believe.

We however have ever increasing revenue streams including the Nike one. We also have a largely settled, young enough squad that doesn't have many/any real needs for transfers right now. With FFP reporting it seems spending big every other year is the wisest way to do it and this year and 2 years ago we had around about a minus 20 million net spend. The year between we had a 120 million net spend. With some of the likes of Shaqiri, Wilson, Grujic, Origi potentially leaving we could easily raise as much as 100 million in sales without significantly weakening ourselves. 150-200 million really doesn't seem as out of reach for us as you would imagine.