Kylian Mbappé (FW) PSG

What will Mbappe be leaning on?

  • The number 6, which he cheekily turns upside down into a 9, waggling his eyebrows

  • Mikey Edward's elephant-sized cock

  • Piled up lifesized cutouts of Benteke, Carroll, Jovanovic, and Voronin

  • Maria's tea set

  • ISMF's ego for starting this thread

  • A simple conference table, because he has fully accepted being a humble part of the red machine

  • The burnt-out remains of the redcafe server

  • None of the above coz he ain't fookin comin', man

  • A big VAR screen, to freak out all Abu Dhabi fans


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No way this happens. He'll fuck off to Real or something, that's what these players do. We've had plenty of threads down the years of flair type forwards that are the absolute hottest property in world football. Usually they end in 200 pages before being closed and the player was never near coming.

I'll admit we are a lot more attractive now, but the multitude of reasons against this really stack up.

First and foremost to me, getting this guy in would absolutely blow our wage structure out the window. Two, I feel that this kind of transfer is totally out of line in regards to our policy. We aim to get in good value, young players who aren't yet the finished product and then mould them into the absolute best version that they can be. This player must also fill a gap in our squad. At the moment, blowing 200 million or whatever on a guy to rotate through with the front three probably isn't the goal of I look and Edwards. If Mo or Sadio leave then we mayyy be in with a small chance.

We can sit here and discuss how attractive Liverpool is and how Mbappe would be insane not to move here tomorrow, but the fact is that we're all insanely bias due to our allegiance to Liverpool. This isn't FIFA and there are loads of factors that go into making a transfer happen.
This is the point I alluded to above. We could do it but it would screw up the clubs finances. You're therefore looking at a very small number of clubs that could
a) absorb the transfer fee (and agents fees) and
b) take the wage hit.

We're in this slightly weird scenario where a players worth is possibly outstripping what clubs can afford to pay for him legally, without doing a City. For that reason it's a slightly fascinating saga, but I'd be honestly surprised if we were involved.
 

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If he just had one year left on his contract, I'd start giving credence to these rumours. But, PSG will probably get him to sign an extension by the summer after next
 

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If he just had one year left on his contract, I'd start giving credence to these rumours. But, PSG will probably get him to sign an extension by the summer after next
Yes they will tie him down and beat him with socks filled with soap till he "agrees". Not just on the Mbappe thing but always confuses me why people believe this about players. When contracts are winding down the club becomes the players bitch. Everything gets more and more in the players favour. If they want the player to stay they need to offer more and more money in desperation. If they want to sell they have to limit themselves to dealing with clubs the player wants to move too. Thank god we are the best club around for keeping our players under long term contracts.
 

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For those interested in backing their hunches ...... https://www.oddschecker.com/footbal...lian-mbappe/club-after-summer-transfer-window

Mbappe to Liverpool get on Sky Bet.......

Personally, I put the chances of Liverpool signing Mbappe at less than 5%; not for football reasons but because he's become a believer in his own "brand" (forgive me) and his enormous expectations of his worth. We are about TEAM. Mbappe would have to swallow a huge amount of ego to subsume to that ethos. Madrid fits his Galactico image of himself, not LFC. That said: really good footballer and would welcome him in our team if Klopp thinks he can be the player we need.

Also, I'm still to see a cogent argument for how the legalities of Nike subsidising this works: how legally they (Nike) link his money to Liverpool appearances/success as opposed to anyone else. Links, yes. contractual clarity, no..............
 

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I may be wrong but didn’t we liverpool supporters start these rumours in twitter once news got out we were about to sign with nike? I remember #mbappe2020 trending worldwide LOL!
You're probably right, I don't know, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to twitter.
I get that this is a fun idea to play around with for fans and that's cool. I don't get why the discussion becomes so overly serious though, there isn't anything substantive to talk about atm and on the other hand hardly anyone disagrees about his quality as a player.
 

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For those interested in backing their hunches ...... https://www.oddschecker.com/footbal...lian-mbappe/club-after-summer-transfer-window

Mbappe to Liverpool get on Sky Bet.......

Personally, I put the chances of Liverpool signing Mbappe at less than 5%; not for football reasons but because he's become a believer in his own "brand" (forgive me) and his enormous expectations of his worth. We are about TEAM. Mbappe would have to swallow a huge amount of ego to subsume to that ethos. Madrid fits his Galactico image of himself, not LFC. That said: really good footballer and would welcome him in our team if Klopp thinks he can be the player we need.

Also, I'm still to see a cogent argument for how the legalities of Nike subsidising this works: how legally they (Nike) link his money to Liverpool appearances/success as opposed to anyone else. Links, yes. contractual clarity, no..............
He already has that contract with Nike. He just needs them to increase the amounts in it to match the amounts in the contract they have with Neymar. That would mean his total income here (assuming we give him the same salary as Salah) would match the income he currently gets whilst playing for PSG. Or even possibly beats it.
 

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He already has that contract with Nike. He just needs them to increase the amounts in it to match the amounts in the contract they have with Neymar. That would mean his total income here (assuming we give him the same salary as Salah) would match the income he currently gets whilst playing for PSG. Or even possibly beats it.
I understand that, fella. However, I'm failing to see the LFC 'exceptionalism'. Nike / Mpabbe is one relationship: Nike up his money, cool. That is independent of Liverpool.

Nike / Liverpool, another relationship: we get money for photos of Mpabbe in Nike kit, but it has to be commensurate with market rate for image rights. Above that, how are you linking Nike / Mpabbe / Liverpool ? How are Nike funneling funds into the Liverpool / Mbappe relationship, LEGALLY ?
 

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No way this happens. He'll fuck off to Real or something, that's what these players do. We've had plenty of threads down the years of flair type forwards that are the absolute hottest property in world football. Usually they end in 200 pages before being closed and the player was never near coming.

I'll admit we are a lot more attractive now, but the multitude of reasons against this really stack up.

First and foremost to me, getting this guy in would absolutely blow our wage structure out the window. Two, I feel that this kind of transfer is totally out of line in regards to our policy. We aim to get in good value, young players who aren't yet the finished product and then mould them into the absolute best version that they can be. This player must also fill a gap in our squad. At the moment, blowing 200 million or whatever on a guy to rotate through with the front three probably isn't the goal of I look and Edwards. If Mo or Sadio leave then we mayyy be in with a small chance.

We can sit here and discuss how attractive Liverpool is and how Mbappe would be insane not to move here tomorrow, but the fact is that we're all insanely bias due to our allegiance to Liverpool. This isn't FIFA and there are loads of factors that go into making a transfer happen.
Maybe. But, yknow....its still mbappening
 

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I understand that, fella. However, I'm failing to see the LFC 'exceptionalism'. Nike / Mpabbe is one relationship: Nike up his money, cool. That is independent of Liverpool.

Nike / Liverpool, another relationship: we get money for photos of Mpabbe in Nike kit, but it has to be commensurate with market rate for image rights. Above that, how are you linking Nike / Mpabbe / Liverpool ? How are Nike funneling funds into the Liverpool / Mbappe relationship, LEGALLY ?
He’s saying, very basically, that if Mbappe is staring at two offers, one from us, one from Madrid, with Madrid offering slightly more, and he can’t make his mind up, maybe Nike would suggest us as the better choice and sweeten the deal
 

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Also, I'm still to see a cogent argument for how the legalities of Nike subsidising this works: how legally they (Nike) link his money to Liverpool appearances/success as opposed to anyone else. Links, yes. contractual clarity, no..............
My position on sponsorship is slightly different (to getting directly into bed with Nike) but relevant.

36% of Salah income comes from sponsorship
13% of Mbappes income comes from sponsorship.

This means that even though Liverpool pays their players less, their total income (in Salahs case primarily topped up by Adidas, EA sports and Uber) is not that different.

It's one of the perks of playing in the premier League vs playing in farmers league. Even players like Ozil earn 50% more from their sponsorship deals than Mbappe.

This is one of the reasons PSG need to pay such high wages, as players know they are frequently better earning less elsewhere but reaping the rewards of increased exposure.
 

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He’s saying, very basically, that if Mbappe is staring at two offers, one from us, one from Madrid, with Madrid offering slightly more, and he can’t make his mind up, maybe Nike would suggest us as the better choice and sweeten the deal
Possibly, but ARD is also saying that Liverpool have an exceptional position as a result of our (future) relationship with Nike, that allows Nike to make up a shortfall in Mbappe's wage. I'm asking how that works....... ???????
 

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My position on sponsorship is slightly different (to getting directly into bed with Nike) but relevant.

36% of Salah income comes from sponsorship
13% of Mbappes income comes from sponsorship.

This means that even though Liverpool pays their players less, their total income (in Salahs case primarily topped up by Adidas, EA sports and Uber) is not that different.

It's one of the peaks of playing in the premier League vs playing in farmers league. Even players like Ozil earn 50% more from their sponsorship deals than Mbappe.

This is one of the reasons PSG need to pay such high wages, as players know they are frequently better earning less elsewhere but reaping the rewards of sponsorship.
I understand that players AND clubs earn money from sponsors. I'm asking HOW does Mbappe playing SPECIFICALLY for Liverpool, does Nike cover that ???? Ther are at least 3 relationships. For Mbappe to be subsidised to play only and specifically for Liverpool, there needs to be a fourth. How, LEGALLY, does that operate ?
 

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To be clear, I am asking a question. I'm not saying it is impossible, but am asking what is the mechanism.

1. Nike / Mbappe - Ok
2. Nike/ Liverpool - OK
3. Liverpool / Mbappe - OK
4. Nike/Liverpool/Mbappe - How
 

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I understand that, fella. However, I'm failing to see the LFC 'exceptionalism'. Nike / Mpabbe is one relationship: Nike up his money, cool. That is independent of Liverpool.

Nike / Liverpool, another relationship: we get money for photos of Mpabbe in Nike kit, but it has to be commensurate with market rate for image rights. Above that, how are you linking Nike / Mpabbe / Liverpool ? How are Nike funneling funds into the Liverpool / Mbappe relationship, LEGALLY ?
They don't have to be linked I don't get why people keep saying it has to be linked.

Not all a players financial consideration and income is what the club plays him.

If it comes down to a straight choice between Real Madrid and Liverpool and he is considering the finances it won't just be the wage offer.

Real Madrid are with Adidas, Nike are hardly going to be happy with paying him more to represent them whilst he is dressed in Adidas in most photos and videos of him. He would likely stay on the same deal he is currently on which is between 6.5 and 7.5 million lower than the Neymar deal.

If by coming to a team in the highest profile league, to a team that wears Nike and happens to be the focal point of a massive Nike advertising campaign there is a chance that Nike may increase his deal to match the Neymar deal.

The difference in salary between Salah and Mbappe isn't as great as people seem to assume. It's less than the difference between the Mbappe and Neymar Nike deals.
 

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I understand that players AND clubs earn money from sponsors. I'm asking HOW does Mbappe playing SPECIFICALLY for Liverpool, does Nike cover that ???? Ther are at least 3 relationships. For Mbappe to be subsidised to play only and specifically for Liverpool, there needs to be a fourth. How, LEGALLY, does that operate ?
Not really sure what you are not understanding to be honest

Nike would pay him a higher sponsorship if he played for LFC in the premier league.

That’s the assertion.
 

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To be clear, I am asking a question. I'm not saying it is impossible, but am asking what is the mechanism.

1. Nike / Mbappe - Ok
2. Nike/ Liverpool - OK
3. Liverpool / Mbappe - OK
4. Nike/Liverpool/Mbappe - How
Just drop number four out conpletely

It’s not overly complicated
 

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They don't have to be linked I don't get why people keep saying it has to be linked.

Not all a players financial consideration and income is what the club plays him.

If it comes down to a straight choice between Real Madrid and Liverpool and he is considering the finances it won't just be the wage offer.

Real Madrid are with Adidas, Nike are hardly going to be happy with paying him more to represent them whilst he is dressed in Adidas in most photos and videos of him. He would likely stay on the same deal he is currently on which is between 6.5 and 7.5 million lower than the Neymar deal.

If by coming to a team in the highest profile league, to a team that wears Nike and happens to be the focal point of a massive Nike advertising campaign there is a chance that Nike may increase his deal to match the Neymar deal.

The difference in salary between Salah and Mbappe isn't as great as people seem to assume. It's less than the difference between the Mbappe and Neymar Nike deals.
YOU are linking them: "Nike will make up the difference", type comments.

RM / Addidas; understood. Yes, they can up his number to match Neymar but that does NOT provide Liverpool an exceptional circumstance. How do they, Nike, incentivise Mbappe to sign for Liverpool? They can pay him more as a Nike/Mbappe thing but how do they do that for Nike/Liverpool/Mbappe ?

I am not clear on what legal arrangement you believe exists that Nike exploits to makes LFC the exception... i.e. If you (Kylian) sign for Liverpool this is the deal. We (Nike) add an extra £20M to your deal and you (Liverpool) are inured from FFP scrutiny. I'm not understanding that bit ?
 

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They don't have to be linked I don't get why people keep saying it has to be linked.

Not all a players financial consideration and income is what the club plays him.

If it comes down to a straight choice between Real Madrid and Liverpool and he is considering the finances it won't just be the wage offer.

Real Madrid are with Adidas, Nike are hardly going to be happy with paying him more to represent them whilst he is dressed in Adidas in most photos and videos of him. He would likely stay on the same deal he is currently on which is between 6.5 and 7.5 million lower than the Neymar deal.

If by coming to a team in the highest profile league, to a team that wears Nike and happens to be the focal point of a massive Nike advertising campaign there is a chance that Nike may increase his deal to match the Neymar deal.

The difference in salary between Salah and Mbappe isn't as great as people seem to assume. It's less than the difference between the Mbappe and Neymar Nike deals.
If Mbappe goes to Real Madrid he still gets to be seen around the world and attracts fans so Nike are still likely to sell merchandise off of that. For Nike to think about splashing out increases in payments to him, they have to consider how much that differs to what he would attract in sales playing for a club that is sponsored by Nike, like us.

If Nike dont increase their deal with him when he moves to a club like Real Madrid, he will simply take the first opportunity to end the deal and move to Adidas. So i dont think the 'Nike factor' is as significant as you do.

Secondly, the comparison in salaries isnt just current earnings. Mbappe is younger, and looking to negotiate a new deal. If he is rejecting a deal double his current salary to move then he is still going to be looking to be paid more than he is now - so the gap between Salah and Mbappe is going to be bigger than it is currently. It's extremely unlikely he is going to move to a club with no raise in his salary, expecting Nike to do the heavy lifting in giving him more money.
 

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YOU are linking them: "Nike will make up the difference", type comments.

RM / Addidas; understood. Yes, they can up his number to match Neymar but that does NOT provide Liverpool an exceptional circumstance. How do they, Nike, incentivise Mbappe to sign for Liverpool? They can pay him more as a Nike/Mbappe thing but how do they do that for Nike/Liverpool/Mbappe ?

I am not clear on what legal arrangement you believe exists that Nike exploits to makes LFC the exception... i.e. If you (Kylian) sign for Liverpool this is the deal. We (Nike) add an extra £20M to your deal and you (Liverpool) are inured from FFP scrutiny. I'm not understanding that bit ?
It is supposed to be two distinct discussions. Mbappe & Liverpool. Nike and Mbappe. The mutual interest in seeing the move happen guides both discussions separately. At least in theory.
 

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Its not an arguement I have made.

But I could easily see players presented with potential earnings. Liverpool could simply present what he could expect to negotiate with Nike (given other players in squad or informal discussions with Nike).

It could be a handshake agreement that when he represents Nike it's as an independent rather than specifically Liverpool player.

All the way through having an exemption in his contract for image rights with club sponsors. Thereby allowing him to negotiate independently with Nike and others. Reducing Liverpool's bargaining power with sponsors but increasing Mbappes.

That's just purely speculative on my part not knowing the details of sponsor or player contracts.

It would need to be fair and reasonable, but the bench mark is approx 40m a year for Messi and Ronaldo (total sponsorships).

Someone like Kopstar could give a much better answer. The legalities and loop holes.
 

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YOU are linking them: "Nike will make up the difference", type comments.

RM / Addidas; understood. Yes, they can up his number to match Neymar but that does NOT provide Liverpool an exceptional circumstance. How do they, Nike, incentivise Mbappe to sign for Liverpool? They can pay him more as a Nike/Mbappe thing but how do they do that for Nike/Liverpool/Mbappe ?

I am not clear on what legal arrangement you believe exists that Nike exploits to makes LFC the exception... i.e. If you (Kylian) sign for Liverpool this is the deal. We (Nike) add an extra £20M to your deal and you (Liverpool) are inured from FFP scrutiny. I'm not understanding that bit ?
I'm not linking them. If Mbappe moves to the highest profile league in the world (ours), playing for a top club in Nike kit (like us) his EXISTING Nike deal (signed years ago) will increase as it already (reportedly) has clauses in place for such moves.

How many top Premier League sides wear Nike? How many of them can dream of buying a player for over 100 million?

Now add in that Nike (for their own commercial reasons) are putting a massive effort into a new marketing venture and are paying all the Nike athletes they can to come in and promote it and Mbappe, if he was free to be a part of that, could easily get his share of that cherry. All for Nikes benefit using Nike sponsored athletes.

All of this is independent of Liverpool and purely between Mbappe and Nike. A lot is actually already covered by existing contracts and precedents are already there with Nikes deal with Neymar.

Liverpool would potentially benefit unless Mbappe says "yeah well I'll get all this extra money by moving to you but I'm still only interested if you (LFC) massively increase my earnings too!"! That is obviously possible but if it really is all about the money then I doubt he would be thinking of leaving PSG who want to double his wages. It also doesn't match what the reports and stories of his personality say about him. Klopp used him as an example for young players to emulate and if he was like that Klopp wouldn't have.
 

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If Mbappe goes to Real Madrid he still gets to be seen around the world and attracts fans so Nike are still likely to sell merchandise off of that. For Nike to think about splashing out increases in payments to him, they have to consider how much that differs to what he would attract in sales playing for a club that is sponsored by Nike, like us.

If Nike dont increase their deal with him when he moves to a club like Real Madrid, he will simply take the first opportunity to end the deal and move to Adidas. So i dont think the 'Nike factor' is as significant as you do.

Secondly, the comparison in salaries isnt just current earnings. Mbappe is younger, and looking to negotiate a new deal. If he is rejecting a deal double his current salary to move then he is still going to be looking to be paid more than he is now - so the gap between Salah and Mbappe is going to be bigger than it is currently. It's extremely unlikely he is going to move to a club with no raise in his salary, expecting Nike to do the heavy lifting in giving him more money.
Mbappe can stay at PSG if it's only about money. They pay higher wages than anyone in Europe. If it's all about money it's done as he will have already signed the deal they are offering. Real and us can't match that. Nike won't pay significant price increases to an Adidas kitted out player. That's horrific marketing strategy. They'd more likely try and hold onto him for as long as possible on his current deals whilst trying to snipe Salah off Adidas.
 

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Mbappe can stay at PSG if it's only about money. They pay higher wages than anyone in Europe. If it's all about money it's done as he will have already signed the deal they are offering. Real and us can't match that. Nike won't pay significant price increases to an Adidas kitted out player. That's horrific marketing strategy. They'd more likely try and hold onto him for as long as possible on his current deals whilst trying to snipe Salah off Adidas.
No one is saying it is only about money. It isnt simply a case of accepting what Salah is on or getting what PSG were prepared to pay him - there is a middle ground which you seem to be ignoring for no good reason.

As far as i understand it, Mbappe has his own range - thats why they would be raising their payments to him. Whether he comes here or goes to Madrid he will most likely see the sales of that range increase. They arent going to pay him more simply to sell Liverpool shirts as that would most likely just cannibalise their own sales.
 

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Yes they will tie him down and beat him with socks filled with soap till he "agrees". Not just on the Mbappe thing but always confuses me why people believe this about players. When contracts are winding down the club becomes the players bitch. Everything gets more and more in the players favour. If they want the player to stay they need to offer more and more money in desperation. If they want to sell they have to limit themselves to dealing with clubs the player wants to move too. Thank god we are the best club around for keeping our players under long term contracts.
Yeah, but there is some risk . What if he got a serious injury. Also, look at the likes of Eriksen at Spurs. At one point, rumour had it Real Madrid were in for him. By the end, it was just the Italian teams trying to buy a good player on the cheap. His level dropped considerably because he wasn't totally committed anymore and the club were not committed to playing him as they knew he was a turn coat. Emre Can is another example. Obviously, Mbappe is a level way higher than either of these so everyone is probably in for him no matter what. I am just saying that there is still some risk to doing it. Also, I don't like players who do this to their clubs unless they are doing it because they want to play for their boyhood club. It isn't a good sign of their character.