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Liverpool face expulsion from Carabao cup

treboeth

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Funnily enough it was posted there before it was posted on here. But it is us that is obsessed with them
Have you read it lately?
Seems like a reasonable and well balanced critique of the Club,the City,the Fans and everything LFC.


Yeah not really it`s the usual bile spouted on every other thread on that forum.
Sad they are so obsessed and bitter.
 


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Pleased to put this behind us, and glad that some of the youngsters will get another chance.

Any idea whether Chirivella is now free to play?
Looks like he will be limited to just Premier League 2 appearances until the FA intervene to get his clearance.

I know I sound like a broken record but we still don't have anyone looking out for Chirivella's interests. We can't sell him because he can't play for anyone. He can't play because we reported ourselves to the FA, and now he is banned from playing in the EFL Trophy too - his only chance to play against grown ups.

This is a 22 year old former Spain youth international who has been a good player in Holland for multiple years and yet now he is stuck in our reserve team with a bunch of teenagers because of paperwork that he has no influence over.

Liverpool "deserved" their fine but the FA need to take a look at themselves and question what they are actually doing to help a young player struggling to make his way in the game. Joke.
 

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Looks like he will be limited to just Premier League 2 appearances until the FA intervene to get his clearance.

I know I sound like a broken record but we still don't have anyone looking out for Chirivella's interests. We can't sell him because he can't play for anyone. He can't play because we reported ourselves to the FA, and now he is banned from playing in the EFL Trophy too - his only chance to play against grown ups.

This is a 22 year old former Spain youth international who has been a good player in Holland for multiple years and yet now he is stuck in our reserve team with a bunch of teenagers because of paperwork that he has no influence over.

Liverpool "deserved" their fine but the FA need to take a look at themselves and question what they are actually doing to help a young player struggling to make his way in the game. Joke.
Agree. It seems that Pedro is the loser in this scenario. At an age where he really needs games, he isn't allowed to play because of an FA paperwork issue. That's desperately unfair on him.
 

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Looks like he will be limited to just Premier League 2 appearances until the FA intervene to get his clearance.

I know I sound like a broken record but we still don't have anyone looking out for Chirivella's interests. We can't sell him because he can't play for anyone. He can't play because we reported ourselves to the FA, and now he is banned from playing in the EFL Trophy too - his only chance to play against grown ups.

This is a 22 year old former Spain youth international who has been a good player in Holland for multiple years and yet now he is stuck in our reserve team with a bunch of teenagers because of paperwork that he has no influence over.

Liverpool "deserved" their fine but the FA need to take a look at themselves and question what they are actually doing to help a young player struggling to make his way in the game. Joke.
I'm surprised this isn't the main media story here. Disgusting from the FA.
 

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Carabao cup Winners take a whooping 100,000 home.
And we got fined 200,000 for a minor infringement with 100k of that suspended.
So we are basically sponsoring this year Cup winner. It's our right then to win this year and get that 100k back.
In case we win next year too, that suspended 100k should get negated and we will be given a 0 pound check during the trophy awarding ceremony.
 



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Looks like he will be limited to just Premier League 2 appearances until the FA intervene to get his clearance.

I know I sound like a broken record but we still don't have anyone looking out for Chirivella's interests. We can't sell him because he can't play for anyone. He can't play because we reported ourselves to the FA, and now he is banned from playing in the EFL Trophy too - his only chance to play against grown ups.

This is a 22 year old former Spain youth international who has been a good player in Holland for multiple years and yet now he is stuck in our reserve team with a bunch of teenagers because of paperwork that he has no influence over.

Liverpool "deserved" their fine but the FA need to take a look at themselves and question what they are actually doing to help a young player struggling to make his way in the game. Joke.
Exactly this.

FA are the ones with the biggest blame, in terms of actually not completing a simple formality in a short space of time when given the task to do so last July. And then we ourselves are to blame for not following due dilligence, so rightfully we get a stupid fine.

We are also to blame in terms of not looking after the interests of our own player, as even though the FA were doing the sqaure root of fuck all, we should have been hounding them the FA of their own oversight.

So Pedro missed 6 months last season as his paperwork arrived after the deadline, and now in a simliar position due to no fault of his own. Ridiculous. It's like a 'computer says no' situation, where the remedy should be done manually taking mitagating circumstances into account, which it won't.
 

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Exactly this.

FA are the ones with the biggest blame, in terms of actually not completing a simple formality in a short space of time when given the task to do so last July. And then we ourselves are to blame for not following due dilligence, so rightfully we get a stupid fine.

We are also to blame in terms of not looking after the interests of our own player, as even though the FA were doing the sqaure root of fuck all, we should have been hounding them the FA of their own oversight.

So Pedro missed 6 months last season as his paperwork arrived after the deadline, and now in a simliar position due to no fault of his own. Ridiculous. It's like a 'computer says no' situation, where the remedy should be done manually taking mitagating circumstances into account, which it won't.
I also wonder where the PFA are in all this - they should be kicking up a stink with both and the FA (not to say they aren't behind the scenes but I would have thought they would make a public statement).
 

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The words 'who gives a shit' come to mind. I suppose it's a good tournament for our youngsters and fringe players. The league cup has long since lost any meaning. Who won it last year? Many people probably don't even know.
 

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The words 'who gives a shit' come to mind. I suppose it's a good tournament for our youngsters and fringe players. The league cup has long since lost any meaning. Who won it last year? Many people probably don't even know.
I think everyone remembers it is Man City. Remember the angry man in the press box ranting after the FA Cup final about Mo Salah? About the media ignoring the "greatest achievement" in modern football when they beat Watford, Rotherham and Burton Albion.
 

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Bit more in depth here
Liverpool have been fined £200,000, of which £100,000 is suspended, for fielding an ineligible player in a Carabao Cup match against MK Dons on September 25, the English Football League has announced.
The issue surrounds midfielder Pedro Chirivella, who came off the bench in the 63rd minute of the 2-0 victory, and the absence of an international transfer certificate - required after the 22-year-old returned from a loan spell with Spanish club Extremadura last season.
The EFL said in a statement: "Following a comprehensive review of all the evidence, the board determined that it wasn't appropriate to expel the club from the competition because of a number of mitigating factors."
Liverpool requested the paperwork in July but the process can only be completed with the Football Association's intervention and that is where the club believe the error has been made.
EFL rules give it "full powers" to investigate - which could have meant anything from a reprimand to expulsion from the competition.
A statement from the EFL continued: "In particular, the board noted that the club had sought the assistance of the Football Association in securing the return of the international clearance prior to the start of this season, and the club had been able to include the player on team sheets for Premier League Two matches (under Premier League rules) and one Leasing.com Trophy match, which resulted in the breach not being identified until the club reported the issue to the EFL and Premier League following the MK Dons match.

"As a result, the club has also been found guilty of misconduct in relation to the same breach for having fielded the player in the defeat against Oldham Athletic in the Leasing.com Trophy on 7 August, with the sanction incorporated into the financial penalty.
"The club will be liable for the suspended sum of £100,000, plus an additional sanction, if they were to again field an ineligible player in the Carabao Cup between now and the end of next season."
Following the EFL ruling, Liverpool issued a statement apologising for the "technical indiscretion".
A Liverpool club spokesperson said: "The club accepts the judgement, outcome and punishment imposed by the EFL.
"We believe it is proportionate with the technical indiscretion committed and will be making no further representations.
"Even though there were mitigating factors, which were beyond our control or jurisdiction, we believe it appropriate we apologise to the competition's governing body and also to Milton Keynes Dons."
Thank our lucky stars we didn't overspend in the summer, this fine could have bankrupted us. ;)
 



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They were never going ban, it's why they threw the big teams together (Bar Man City) they need a big hitter in the final.
 

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I think everyone remembers it is Man City. Remember the angry man in the press box ranting after the FA Cup final about Mo Salah? About the media ignoring the "greatest achievement" in modern football when they beat Watford, Rotherham and Burton Albion.
I find it quite odds the length Man City fans go to to try and discredit the Champions League.

People can argue over whether the league or CL is the bigger achievement (I somehow doubt C Ronaldo values his league medals ahead of his CL ones), but I've heard a lot about them trying to make the domestic treble seem better than one containing the CL.

Whilst we take great pride in our European achievements, we're happy to admit we're desperate to win the league as well. City fans seem to take the opposite stance in the sense that they pretend they don't care about their continued European failures. I actually heard some discussing how if we beat them next month and created an even bigger gap, they'd have to "focus on the FA Cup" (no mention of CL).

As you've mentioned, you can win domestic cups playing against a stack of lower league teams. Great to win them, but top clubs shouldn't expect to get much credit for them. If Spurs had won the League Cup this season the "you've not won anything" trolls would simply change to "you've only won the League Cup".
 

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I find it quite odds the length Man City fans go to to try and discredit the Champions League.

People can argue over whether the league or CL is the bigger achievement (I somehow doubt C Ronaldo values his league medals ahead of his CL ones), but I've heard a lot about them trying to make the domestic treble seem better than one containing the CL.

Whilst we take great pride in our European achievements, we're happy to admit we're desperate to win the league as well. City fans seem to take the opposite stance in the sense that they pretend they don't care about their continued European failures. I actually heard some discussing how if we beat them next month and created an even bigger gap, they'd have to "focus on the FA Cup" (no mention of CL).

As you've mentioned, you can win domestic cups playing against a stack of lower league teams. Great to win them, but top clubs shouldn't expect to get much credit for them. If Spurs had won the League Cup this season the "you've not won anything" trolls would simply change to "you've only won the League Cup".
Yup.. Winning against Rotherham, Burnley, Newport County, Swansea, Brighton and Watford is better than winning against PSG, Napoli, Bayern Munich, Porto, Barca (one of the all time best come backs) and Spurs.
Truth is - they don't have the guts to mention about winning CL, because they know that they can't win it.