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Liverpool to enter the EFL trophy

FilthyBloke

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I wonder, if we win it will it go down on our honours list.
It’s on Wolves and Portsmouth’s honours list. I mean it’s an official trophy and all but would it go on our official honours or the u21 honours?
 
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The Liverpool supporter in me likes this decision
The football purist inside dislikes this decision

The EFL trophy shouldn't have gone down this route. Its a quick fix attempt to sort out the bigger problems at grassroots levels

Can't blame the club, or any Premier League club, for taking advantage
 

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I would imagine (assuming everyone stays at the club)...

Kelleher
Hoever Williams Phillips Lewis
Lallana Coyle Woodburn
Glatzel Brewster Jones

Lallana is unlikely to get much first team action and qualifies as one of two over 21s. We could field one further first team player in addition to Lallana in the above line up - eg. Origi.
Phillips is over 21 but does not count as an overage player because he has not played 40 senior games in his career.
 

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Strange that we've turned down all previous invitations to play in it till now, I always thought it would be good experience for the youngsters.
 

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The Liverpool supporter in me likes this decision
The football purist inside dislikes this decision

The EFL trophy shouldn't have gone down this route. Its a quick fix attempt to sort out the bigger problems at grassroots levels

Can't blame the club, or any Premier League club, for taking advantage
I'm with you, I dislike the competition and I won't be bothered with it at all, I think it's a disgraceful competition that's and attempt to do something far worse. Considering the big teams in League 1 it's become a bit redundant in recent times. Sky stopped showing it (Though I think they showed the final).

It's good for the youngsters but bad for football in this country in general, anyhow having watched the results for a few years now, it's unlikely we will get near to the final. Effectively you see that League 1 football might not be the best but it is still much better than the majority of PL clubs youth teams.

Any further development of this will hurt the game as we won't see the Swansea's and Bournemouth's come up and even the likes of Wolves were at that level a couple of seasons.
 

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I wonder, if we win it will it go down on our honours list.
It’s on Wolves and Portsmouth’s honours list. I mean it’s an official trophy and all but would it go on our official honours or the u21 honours?
The third most important domestic cup. To be sniffed at at our peril. ;-);-);-);-);-)lol;-)
Goes on the U21 honours board, surely.
 

FilthyBloke

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The third most important domestic cup. To be sniffed at at our peril. ;-);-);-);-);-)lol;-)
Goes on the U21 honours board, surely.
I would have thought...
But if we got relegated and did a Sunderland in league one and then we won the EFL it would go on our main honours list.
Either way, we should win it! What a experience it would be for the kids to play at Wembley.
 

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I don't really get the moralising over this tournament. The FL clubs couldn't give less of a fuck about it unless they happen to find themselves in the semi-finals - before that, even before the U21s were allowed in, no one cared at all and attendances were appauling.

U21 teams rarely go far, FL clubs still win it.
 

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Surely a better option would be to follow the European model of allowing the top academies into the bottom of the league pyramid, then let them have promotion/relegation like normal on the provision they don't play in the same league as the senior team.
 

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Surely a better option would be to follow the European model of allowing the top academies into the bottom of the league pyramid, then let them have promotion/relegation like normal on the provision they don't play in the same league as the senior team.
Not a fan of that idea. It conveys on the bigger sides an advantage that no other team enjoys, and entrenched the idea that some teams are ‘elite’ and some aren’t.
 

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Not a fan of that idea. It conveys on the bigger sides an advantage that no other team enjoys, and entrenched the idea that some teams are ‘elite’ and some aren’t.
Fair point, but that is the facts of life that not everything is equal, or do you want us to regress back to childrens age level where everyone gets a medal just for participating?

The simple fact is the U/23s' has not worked as it was expected as players are ready for the physicality or speed of playing senior football, so it needs to be addressed and the players need to get that expossure at an earlier level so that it allows clubs to see exactly what their yournger players true level is so that their development is not being stunted by playing a level that is not producing any results
 

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Fair point, but that is the facts of life that not everything is equal, or do you want us to regress back to childrens age level where everyone gets a medal just for participating?
Nope, but I still want to see an even playing field. Allowing a select few teams a massive advantage over others around youth development isn’t fair.
 

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Nope, but I still want to see an even playing field. Allowing a select few teams a massive advantage over others around youth development isn’t fair.
Even if you see it as an advantage, which Im not sure I do, it is at least an earned one.
 

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Maybe you could have it so that academy teams qualified through their U23s league to participate in the Football League the following season, either a play-off of the top 4 teams in the table, or automatic spot for the top two or whatever. Clubs could op-out if they'd prefer not to.

Could mean it's a level playing field AND clubs earn the right to do it.
 

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Not a fan of that idea. It conveys on the bigger sides an advantage that no other team enjoys, and entrenched the idea that some teams are ‘elite’ and some aren’t.
Isn't that the reality though? It's also entirely possible for a senior side to have a better youth side. Like the time our youth were winning cups and the senior team wasn't

The idea is that if we beef up our youth, this has a ripple effect on the senior side who need to keep up with the higher standard
 

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The only downside I could see of allowing those development teams is that it would probably lead to many sides holding on to players into their mid 20s - as Spanish sides do - just to be competitive in the division. In turn that might stunt the use of young players in the long run.

That's a small concern though.

I can understand the idea that the 'culture' of the EFL will be damaged so I guess that's a small downside too.

I like the loan market to be honest.