Liverpool Youth Teams Thread

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Impressive showing from Hoever, Camacho and Jones. Obviously, Camacho might go out on loan or not sign a new contract but I hope he signs it, the kid's a natural in right back position, in my opinion, especially for someone that young. Obviously, his versatility is a plus but since proper fullbacks are hard to come by these days, I hope he plays that role for Liverpool in the future. Between him and TAA, that position could be sorted for the foreseeable future.
May not have played had we not loaned out Clyne. Just saying. Don't think Clyne going out necessarily weakens us and allows for players like Camacho and Hoever to get some first team exposure.
 

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May not have played had we not loaned out Clyne. Just saying. Don't think Clyne going out necessarily weakens us and allows for players like Camacho and Hoever to get some first team exposure.
I was worried when Clyne left because there were a lot of reports that Camacho would also be loaned out. When I saw him playing against Man United in pre-season, I was very impressed and optimistic for his future at Liverpool. He continued that mini-trend tonight. Small sample but he looks every bit a Klopp's fullback - committed, quick, forward-thinking, great touch.

Whether it's the best for him to go out on loan or remain at Liverpool is a decision Camacho, Klopp and Inglethorpe will have to take. I'd sacrifice half a season of his playing time in order to cover for TAA (and Gomez), Klopp will need every player to hold off Man City's and Tottenham's assault.
 

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I was worried when Clyne left because there were a lot of reports that Camacho would also be loaned out. When I saw him playing against Man United in pre-season, I was very impressed and optimistic for his future at Liverpool. He continued that mini-trend tonight. Small sample but he looks every bit a Klopp's fullback - committed, quick, forward-thinking, great touch.

Whether it's the best for him to go out on loan or remain at Liverpool is a decision Camacho, Klopp and Inglethorpe will have to take. I'd sacrifice half a season of his playing time in order to cover for TAA (and Gomez), Klopp will need every player to hold off Man City's and Tottenham's assault.
I agree. Where Camacho is concerned I'd be happy for the transfer window to have already closed. With Clyne gone we've got to keep him around, surely?
 

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I agree. Where Camacho is concerned I'd be happy for the transfer window to have already closed. With Clyne gone we've got to keep him around, surely?
I doubt we are keeping Clyne. TAA and maybe Gomez are ahead of him in the pecking order and he doesnt seem content with his position in the squad. The only way his current loan make sense is that he wants to be a regular starter which looks unlikely at our club. I think between Trent, Gomez, Hoever and maybe Camacho we have that position fairly covered.
 

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I doubt we are keeping Clyne. TAA and maybe Gomez are ahead of him in the pecking order and he doesnt seem content with his position in the squad. The only way his current loan make sense is that he wants to be a regular starter which looks unlikely at our club. I think between Trent, Gomez, Hoever and maybe Camacho we have that position fairly covered.
I wasn't suggesting that we were keeping Clyne nor even that we should... :eh?:
 

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Was very satisfied with Hoever and Camacho (hope he stays), especially them playing close to each other. Jones less so, but okay, our whole midfield/attack was a bit flat.
 

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A couple of his sloppy moments have been left out but even so, a nice glimpse into his potential. His ability to step past a man and fizz the ball into players between the lines is nice. Lacking on the physical side but that will fixed with age.
 

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Milner has more playing experience than this lad has years of age, right? Incredible to think. His lack of experience showed last night, I think first real Wolves attack caught him stranded on the half-way line and that chance that Jimenez fumbled should be attributed to lack of communication, Mignolet should have really come out for that one, at least Hoever looked like he expected him to collect it. Otherwise, pretty impressive for a 16-year old, it was as good as it could have been from any 16-year old centre back out there on his debut. His passing ability looked better than I thought, both short and long, like he's a midfield playmaker. As a side note, I found it funny that he probably made his Liverpool debut sooner than he would have made his Ajax debut!

What I loved about the three debutants last night is that all three of them looked natural in their roles, taking to them like ducks to water. We probably won't see them until some new injury crisis (who knows, Hoever might end up on the bench for Brighton game, even though I find it unlikely) but in a year or two, these three should be knocking on first team squad's door. I hope that Camacho signs a new contract first and then takes it from there, I think Klopp will appreciate his qualities even in the short term, given that he's the oldest of the three.
 

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Milner has more playing experience than this lad has years of age, right? Incredible to think. His lack of experience showed last night, I think first real Wolves attack caught him stranded on the half-way line and that chance that Jimenez fumbled should be attributed to lack of communication, Mignolet should have really come out for that one, at least Hoever looked like he expected him to collect it. Otherwise, pretty impressive for a 16-year old, it was as good as it could have been from any 16-year old centre back out there on his debut. His passing ability looked better than I thought, both short and long, like he's a midfield playmaker. As a side note, I found it funny that he probably made his Liverpool debut sooner than he would have made his Ajax debut!

What I loved about the three debutants last night is that all three of them looked natural in their roles, taking to them like ducks to water. We probably won't see them until some new injury crisis (who knows, Hoever might end up on the bench for Brighton game, even though I find it unlikely) but in a year or two, these three should be knocking on first team squad's door. I hope that Camacho signs a new contract first and then takes it from there, I think Klopp will appreciate his qualities even in the short term, given that he's the oldest of the three.
Agree. I'll add that while Jones looked very comfortable and confident with the ball at his feet and going at players, he seemed a bit naive (understandably so) about when to do the party tricks, when to keep it simple, and he gave the ball away fairly cheaply with poor passes quite a few times. Experience and age will hopefully cure most of that. He'll also be helped if the rest of team actually perform. I don't really have any negatives from the two young defenders. It's easy to see why the are so excited about Hoever, that was quite a debut for what he was asked to do. I don't think he'll play CB for us for another 3 or 4 years. Comacho's touch and confidence were both better than I was expecting. Looks a real prospect.
 

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Milner has more playing experience than this lad has years of age, right? Incredible to think. His lack of experience showed last night, I think first real Wolves attack caught him stranded on the half-way line and that chance that Jimenez fumbled should be attributed to lack of communication, Mignolet should have really come out for that one, at least Hoever looked like he expected him to collect it. Otherwise, pretty impressive for a 16-year old, it was as good as it could have been from any 16-year old centre back out there on his debut. His passing ability looked better than I thought, both short and long, like he's a midfield playmaker. As a side note, I found it funny that he probably made his Liverpool debut sooner than he would have made his Ajax debut!

What I loved about the three debutants last night is that all three of them looked natural in their roles, taking to them like ducks to water. We probably won't see them until some new injury crisis (who knows, Hoever might end up on the bench for Brighton game, even though I find it unlikely) but in a year or two, these three should be knocking on first team squad's door. I hope that Camacho signs a new contract first and then takes it from there, I think Klopp will appreciate his qualities even in the short term, given that he's the oldest of the three.
If the reports about Lovren's condition today are true, might not seem too far-fetched...
 

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I watched a few "all touches" compilations of Jones this afternoon, and after watching those, combined with his performance last night, I can't say I see what all the hype is about.

He does have a neat dribble at times, but I don't see anything of the level that you'd expect from a youngster to break into the first team permanently, certainly not where the club is at now. Can someone who has watched a lot of him give a rebuttal our share their opinion? Am I missing something?

Btw, please note that I'm not being harsh on him for the sake of bashing a youngster. As much as I don't see the hype with Jones I do however see the enormous potential in Hoever. With some tactical coaching on things like positioning (he was caught out on the halfway line a few times last night) he has all the potential in the world and I can definitely see him developing and taking a spot in the first team long-term. He's like a beautiful hybrid of Trent, Gomez, and Van Dijk, all rolled into one 16 year old.
 

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I watched a few "all touches" compilations of Jones this afternoon, and after watching those, combined with his performance last night, I can't say I see what all the hype is about.

He does have a neat dribble at times, but I don't see anything of the level that you'd expect from a youngster to break into the first team permanently, certainly not where the club is at now. Can someone who has watched a lot of him give a rebuttal our share their opinion? Am I missing something?

Btw, please note that I'm not being harsh on him for the sake of bashing a youngster. As much as I don't see the hype with Jones I do however see the enormous potential in Hoever. With some tactical coaching on things like positioning (he was caught out on the halfway line a few times last night) he has all the potential in the world and I can definitely see him developing and taking a spot in the first team long-term. He's like a beautiful hybrid of Trent, Gomez, and Van Dijk, all rolled into one 16 year old.
The reason I and many others are so excited about Hoever's performance yesterday was that he did not get caught out of position even once. OK maybe once but that's it. To do that against this wolves team that looked to be plying on the counter with speed players and Neves and Coady finding them with long balls is quiet something. And judging by their league position something that not many defences have done. Also noteworthy was how well ehe offered himself up to receive a pass and he was fairly calm about it even under wolves pressure. He got trapped once ( I blame Mingolet for playing it to him there when 2 wolves players were converging) but kept a cool head and tried to get himself out. You are bound to make mistakes, what matters is how you try to get yourself out of it.

He came to Liverpool a few months ago and until a few weeks back he was playing U18s. His progression through the ranks has been blistering but he seem to be able to take it in his stride. I don't think yesterdays game fazed him the slightest. Unfortunately, none of this is captured in those all touches compilation but there's genuine reason to be optimistic imo.
 

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Nice piece on Hoever in the Echo:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...ws/liverpools-90000-gem-story-behind-15659510

Also, @Nikola , maybe this lad deserves his own player thread... we might be seeing a lot more of him!
I've actually made a few in advance, just checking what happens with these kids. We generally stopped making threads for youth players because they don't generate posts, even those of club's finest talents, and my OCD gets triggered easily. :)
 

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Klopp has just categorically dismissed the possibility of Camacho leaving in January. Let's hope he signs that new contract, I think Klopp really believes in him.
 

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Cool. Probably wanted to have a look against Wolves if he can trust him (in a serious senior match other than a friendly) if Gomez is really needed centrally and nowhere else, so we need to have another player ready to protect Trent. Plus Camacho's ability to cover other positions if we need it.
 

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Trent and Camacho as our two right backs full time. Interesting.

Ask me a year ago if I thought Camacho could break through and I would have thought it would be as a pace option in place of Mane. Klopp (and his backroom team) see things in players that others just don't.
 

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My missus just picked her Uni-mate from the UK, husband is a huge Liverpool fan just mentioned to me that this Bobby Duncan fella is something special. Anyone watches him here? I took the liberty to check out his stats, bloody hell 12 goals in 12 Champs League matches, 14 goals in 12 league games. Recorded 5 assists in those two competitions in his age group. Is he really that good?
 

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My missus just picked her Uni-mate from the UK, husband is a huge Liverpool fan just mentioned to me that this Bobby Duncan fella is something special. Anyone watches him here? I took the liberty to check out his stats, bloody hell 12 goals in 12 Champs League matches, 14 goals in 12 league games. Recorded 5 assists in those two competitions in his age group. Is he really that good?
He is good but whether it'll translate into senior football I'm not so sure. He's not lightning fast and technically he can improve a lot, sometimes he takes too long on the ball and his first touch is sloppy compared to somebody like Glatzel.

He's very direct, he'll work hard and he's very persistent and determined in a similar manner to Kuyt or Suarez I guess. He does strike the ball well with his left foot.

We have quite a good number of young strikers on our books, Brewster and Duncan are the most well known ones but Paul Glatzel (mentioned above) and Fidel O'Rourke are also quality.

Brewster is still the pick of the lot for me.
 
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My missus just picked her Uni-mate from the UK, husband is a huge Liverpool fan just mentioned to me that this Bobby Duncan fella is something special. Anyone watches him here? I took the liberty to check out his stats, bloody hell 12 goals in 12 Champs League matches, 14 goals in 12 league games. Recorded 5 assists in those two competitions in his age group. Is he really that good?
According to the official site he also is a cousin of Steven Gerrard.
Can‘t be bad :)
 

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I was wondering why there had been no mention of Nat Phillips as a possible solution to our current CB crisis. Here's why:
Nat Phillips is facing a further spell on the sidelines after recently undergoing surgery on an ankle injury, Liverpool Under-23s manager Neil Critchley.
Thanks for the update, I was wondering as well. Real shame for the lad because with Lovren, Matip and Gomez out together that was the opportunity a player like Phillips (in his circumstances) needed to prove himself. Missing that opportunity by also being injured is really unfortunate and he may not get another opportunity. A real sliding doors moment for his future here, I feel.

[Sorry for discussing in here, there's no player thread for him]
 

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“Nat is a humble and down-to-earth boy and realises the bigger picture. He didn’t get too carried away when he did well with the first team and he doesn’t get too down when he is injured either. He has got the right attitude and the right character to come through these setbacks.”


Got the same impression. Shame, there was a potential debut for him against Wolves. Hope he has a solid career somewhere, after he almost gave up(?) on football last summer.
 

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Ki-Jana Hoever has just been sent off for the softest foul I've ever seen! Think the referee gave it for "last man" but it seems a bizarre decision as George Johnston was covering (and was very close). The referee took a long time to decide so I assume he forgets that Johnston was covering when he made his decision.

Liverpool winning 1-0 against Brighton.