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Liverpool Youth Teams Thread

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Conor Masterson, Juanma, McCauley, Randall, Adekanye and Whelan have all been released or sold. Just seen on a few academy lads instagrams wishing them luck in the future. Not 100% sure if for sure but pretty likely
 

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Can't see the goal but don't care. The game against Wolves was enough for me to know that KJH will be a star in the future.

Hope he will be our 3rd choice RB next season and starts all games against non PL sides in the domestic cups.
 

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Conor Masterson, Juanma, McCauley, Randall, Adekanye and Whelan have all been released or sold. Just seen on a few academy lads instagrams wishing them luck in the future. Not 100% sure if for sure but pretty likely
Conor Masterson linked with Norwich City
Corey Whelan could go back to Crewe
Bobby Adekanye expected to move to Lazio

No links yet for Juanma, McAuley or Randall from what I can see.

Other players I think could be moved on are Tony Gallacher, Ben Williams, Isaac Christie-Davies and Nathaniel Phillips.

Rafa Camacho and Bobby Duncan are reportedly considering leaving to gain further first team chances elsewhere.
 
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Rafa Camacho and Bobby Duncan are reportedly considering leaving to gain further first team chances elsewhere.

Rafa Camacho and Bobby
Bit surprised Bobby Duncan could look to leave. He’s just had a successful season at the u18s and what he’s around 17/18 and looking likely to be moved up to the u23s for the 2019/2020 season. I’d say his chances will come most likely in pre season this summer. Quite impatient I would think to be looking to leave after only one season at u18s?
 

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Bit surprised Bobby Duncan could look to leave. He’s just had a successful season at the u18s and what he’s around 17/18 and looking likely to be moved up to the u23s for the 2019/2020 season. I’d say his chances will come most likely in pre season this summer. Quite impatient I would think to be looking to leave after only one season at u18s?
They could be idle media reports but if you google his name there are a few different sources reporting that he is considering a move to Germany. Sancho's success in Germany seems to have painted a picture to English players that they will all succeed over there.
 

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The Dutch have just beaten Italy 4:2 and Hoever was lucky not to see red but apart from that they were brilliant now I understand why they have beaten England 5:2
Saw Hoever free kick that come back off the post and put in by team mate, one assist for him.
 

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Conor Masterson linked with Norwich City
Corey Whelan could go back to Crewe
Bobby Adekanye expected to move to Lazio

No links yet for Juanma, McAuley or Randall from what I can see.

Other players I think could be moved on are Tony Gallacher, Ben Williams, Isaac Christie-Davies and Nathaniel Phillips.

Rafa Camacho and Bobby Duncan are reportedly considering leaving to gain further first team chances elsewhere.
The Liverpool Echo now saying Connor Randall has a range of teams to select from in England and Scotland. He apparently love his time at Hearts so maybe he will go back up there.
 

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Not sure about that, Lahm was equally good at both fullback positions (and that at frankly ridiculous level) and he also played as a midfielder pretty well when Guardiola took over. That said, I couldn't be more proud of TAA even if I wanted to, not just because he's growing into a good player but because of the example he sets. Kids know they have a chance just by looking at what he's done and I hope it inspires a fair few of Liverpool's academy players to raise their levels.
Lahm made his debut in the Bundesliga at the age of roughly 20, on loan at Stuttgart. He stayed two years there, before he came back to Bayern. He then played the role of Lizarazu's sub in the 05/06 season, before effectively stamping his position in the team during the 06/07 season, as a left back. He was then aged 23.

It's thus fair to say that Trent is two-three years ahead of Lahm in terms of being able to nail down a position in a top team, and that's before you start to reflect about his actual contribution, which has been immense over the last two seasons. I appreciate that the situation for Trent was 'easier' than for Lahm: Lizarazu and Sagnol were legends at Bayern, and there was no way past them. Lahm became a regular starter when Lizarazu retired, not much before that. Trent had to get past Clyne, a good player in his own right, but nowhere as important to the team as Sagnol and Lizarazu were.

Where I agree with you is regarding Lahm's versatility, which was exceptional. I don't think that Trent will ever become as versatile. Why would he need to by the way? He's the perfect modern right back, no need to move him around the pitch. Although, looking at his qualities, he'd certainly be able to to play at left back if needed, or even on either wing. But I think that he has found his position and will stay there for quite some time from now.
 

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Lahm made his debut in the Bundesliga at the age of roughly 20, on loan at Stuttgart. He stayed two years there, before he came back to Bayern. He then played the role of Lizarazu's sub in the 05/06 season, before effectively stamping his position in the team during the 06/07 season, as a left back. He was then aged 23.

It's thus fair to say that Trent is two-three years ahead of Lahm in terms of being able to nail down a position in a top team, and that's before you start to reflect about his actual contribution, which has been immense over the last two seasons. I appreciate that the situation for Trent was 'easier' than for Lahm: Lizarazu and Sagnol were legends at Bayern, and there was no way past them. Lahm became a regular starter when Lizarazu retired, not much before that. Trent had to get past Clyne, a good player in his own right, but nowhere as important to the team as Sagnol and Lizarazu were.

Where I agree with you is regarding Lahm's versatility, which was exceptional. I don't think that Trent will ever become as versatile. Why would he need to by the way? He's the perfect modern right back, no need to move him around the pitch. Although, looking at his qualities, he'd certainly be able to to play at left back if needed, or even on either wing. But I think that he has found his position and will stay there for quite some time from now.
I really hope so. I understand when people call for him to be moved into midfield (because of his passing ability if nothing else) but to have such a fullback is a blessing. His impact, though, can stretch beyond the pitch - I imagine that a lot of kids will look at him and remember that he made his league debut as a teenager, starting at Old Trafford.

Having the likes of Kimmich and Alaba is the way forward in football in my opinion, a natural progression from the likes of Lahm, Zanetti, Zambrotta etc. Lahm really set the standard for me, though, a majestic player. I agree, Trent has a few years on him but Lahm was really something else at his peak and Guardiola really brought out the best of him in terms of reading the game and maximising his technical qualities. Alaba and Kimmich followed in his footsteps and I really hope Trent (and Hoever) will join that special group of modern "fullbacks".
 

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Andy Hunter (Bascombe also confirming this):

Sheyi Ojo, meanwhile, is set to sign a new five-year contract with Liverpool before going out on loan again. The 21-year-old winger has spent this season on loan at Stade de Reims but will not be returning to the French club. Steven Gerrard is an admirer of Ojo from his work at Liverpool’s academy and Rangers are expected to be among the interested clubs.
 

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Seems like we're really maximising the value we can get from academy graduates (or whatever you want to call them) by keeping them contracted beyond their teenage years as they start to mature, even if it's not while playing for Liverpool.
 

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Seems like we're really maximising the value we can get from academy graduates (or whatever you want to call them) by keeping them contracted beyond their teenage years as they start to mature, even if it's not while playing for Liverpool.
1. The quality of the youth players that come out of our club has increased drastically after a disappointing last decade.
2. The marker as a whole has moved upward. A good young player with potential like Pulisic goes for 50m+. A real deal like Mbappe costs 150m+. Even players who are last year of contract like Ox goes for 30m+.
 

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Andy Hunter (Bascombe also confirming this):

Sheyi Ojo, meanwhile, is set to sign a new five-year contract with Liverpool before going out on loan again. The 21-year-old winger has spent this season on loan at Stade de Reims but will not be returning to the French club. Steven Gerrard is an admirer of Ojo from his work at Liverpool’s academy and Rangers are expected to be among the interested clubs.
I know it won't happen but I am still so keen to see Ojo make it. The lad has more talent in one leg than most PL players.
 

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I know it won't happen but I am still so keen to see Ojo make it. The lad has more talent in one leg than most PL players.
Totally onboard with this and to be honest I'm surprised he's still only 21.. Feels he's been around (or talked about for many years).

He has all the raw ability and physicality you need to succeed, just never consistently puts it together. I think this is why I always saw him having a better chance than Wilson, Wilson is technically better, probably tactically better but just doesn't have that quick acceleration over 5 yards from a standing start I think is so so key at the highest level.
 

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Ojo's always been inconsistent but in youth teams he played about every possible role in the front five and he played them well, I really expected him to become a complete winger. He sounded driven in his interviews, self-confident without being arrogant, I really had high hopes of him. He even had decent outings in Klopp's first season, even if those games weren't of the highest profile.

I'm not sure what happened to him, I hope it's just a period of mental weakness that can be overcome if he comes across a coach who knows how to help a young player, lift his spirits and then work on maximising his potential. I think that's why Chelsea sent Mount and Tomori to Derby County, for example, I wouldn't bet against Liverpool sending Wilson there, too, because of Jody Morris' presence.

I'd be lying if I said I still believe Ojo will make it at Liverpool and that I'm not surprised by the contract extension because it's essentially been a two-season slump for him with these failed loans. However, I hope from the bottom of my heart he manages to turn his fortunes around and prove me wrong, especially because he has a rare combination of physical and technical qualities., especially his acceleration, unseen from a Liverpool player in my opinion, Klopp surely loves that in a forward.

These kids needs a bit of luck in the right time, I hope he and Woodburn get it like Wilson did - no injuries and a good loan at this age could do wonders to their careers.
 

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Ojo's always been inconsistent but in youth teams he played about every possible role in the front five and he played them well, I really expected him to become a complete winger. He sounded driven in his interviews, self-confident without being arrogant, I really had high hopes of him. He even had decent outings in Klopp's first season, even if those games weren't of the highest profile.

I'm not sure what happened to him, I hope it's just a period of mental weakness that can be overcome if he comes across a coach who knows how to help a young player, lift his spirits and then work on maximising his potential. I think that's why Chelsea sent Mount and Tomori to Derby County, for example, I wouldn't bet against Liverpool sending Wilson there, too, because of Jody Morris' presence.

I'd be lying if I said I still believe Ojo will make it at Liverpool and that I'm not surprised by the contract extension because it's essentially been a two-season slump for him with these failed loans. However, I hope from the bottom of my heart he manages to turn his fortunes around and prove me wrong, especially because he has a rare combination of physical and technical qualities., especially his acceleration, unseen from a Liverpool player in my opinion, Klopp surely loves that in a forward.

These kids needs a bit of luck in the right time, I hope he and Woodburn get it like Wilson did - no injuries and a good loan at this age could do wonders to their careers.
My feeling is that in many ways Ojo is similar to Pogba. Exceptional physical and technical gifts far above those of his peers going through the youth system. Playing at a top level club going through their respective academies, it was all too easy for them. They were by far the best because of their natural physicality combined with their talent gave them a significant advantage over every other player. You can see it in Pogba and you can see it in Ojo, their attributes have created complacency. Pogba got out and moved to Juventus where he had to prove himself. He thrived in that environment and, dare I say it, he was also driven to shove racist taunts down the throats of opposition fans. Back at the place where his legend already existed, where he grew up dominating his peers by virtue simply of his physical attributes, complacency has set back in again. It's all too easy for him. It's also apparent that he's de-motivated by the quality of his team-mates.

Ojo, I feel, is similar. He didn't really have to try too hard to be by far the best player on the pitch. I get the impression that this has led to a period where he became complacent. Everything up to the age of about 18/19 just happened for him without him even trying. He probably just took playing for the first team for granted forgetting that his physical attributes would not be enough. From the outside looking in, I get the impression that he struggled to deal with that. That's not unusual when you're still so young...immaturity, petulance even.

I don't know what it might take for him to realise he's got this wonderful gift that he's in danger of wasting if he doesn't immediately knuckle down and dedicate himself to being the best he can be. Unfortunately, like Pogba, I do not think that happens without a change in environment.
 

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Ojo's always been inconsistent but in youth teams he played about every possible role in the front five and he played them well, I really expected him to become a complete winger. He sounded driven in his interviews, self-confident without being arrogant, I really had high hopes of him. He even had decent outings in Klopp's first season, even if those games weren't of the highest profile.

I'm not sure what happened to him, I hope it's just a period of mental weakness that can be overcome if he comes across a coach who knows how to help a young player, lift his spirits and then work on maximising his potential. I think that's why Chelsea sent Mount and Tomori to Derby County, for example, I wouldn't bet against Liverpool sending Wilson there, too, because of Jody Morris' presence.

I'd be lying if I said I still believe Ojo will make it at Liverpool and that I'm not surprised by the contract extension because it's essentially been a two-season slump for him with these failed loans. However, I hope from the bottom of my heart he manages to turn his fortunes around and prove me wrong, especially because he has a rare combination of physical and technical qualities., especially his acceleration, unseen from a Liverpool player in my opinion, Klopp surely loves that in a forward.

These kids needs a bit of luck in the right time, I hope he and Woodburn get it like Wilson did - no injuries and a good loan at this age could do wonders to their careers.
Hopefully, Origi proves to be an uplifting example for these young players - and shows them that even a couple of failed/poor loans are not the end for them.
 

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Personally I think apart from being complacent, Ojo could also be thick and not following his instructions. Otherwise I don't see any other reason for him not kicking on as he has all the tools. I expect him to be sold this or next summer.
 

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My feeling is that in many ways Ojo is similar to Pogba. Exceptional physical and technical gifts far above those of his peers going through the youth system. Playing at a top level club going through their respective academies, it was all too easy for them. They were by far the best because of their natural physicality combined with their talent gave them a significant advantage over every other player. You can see it in Pogba and you can see it in Ojo, their attributes have created complacency. Pogba got out and moved to Juventus where he had to prove himself. He thrived in that environment and, dare I say it, he was also driven to shove racist taunts down the throats of opposition fans. Back at the place where his legend already existed, where he grew up dominating his peers by virtue simply of his physical attributes, complacency has set back in again. It's all too easy for him. It's also apparent that he's de-motivated by the quality of his team-mates.

Ojo, I feel, is similar. He didn't really have to try too hard to be by far the best player on the pitch. I get the impression that this has led to a period where he became complacent. Everything up to the age of about 18/19 just happened for him without him even trying. He probably just took playing for the first team for granted forgetting that his physical attributes would not be enough. From the outside looking in, I get the impression that he struggled to deal with that. That's not unusual when you're still so young...immaturity, petulance even.

I don't know what it might take for him to realise he's got this wonderful gift that he's in danger of wasting if he doesn't immediately knuckle down and dedicate himself to being the best he can be. Unfortunately, like Pogba, I do not think that happens without a change in environment.
It's a good comparison. Reputation comes into play, too, as Ojo was (and I believe he still is) the most expensive 14-year old in English football. Stronger and quicker than all his whole life, yeah, it probably played a big part in his recent travails. That said, he never sounded immature in his interviews, at least not in my opinion. He might take out a leaf from Sterling's book, in all honesty, he worked so bloody hard to become what he is (and he also spent his whole football upbringing being stronger and quicker than all).

If club didn't think he could turn it around, they wouldn't offer him a new contract, though, which surprised me a fair bit. That said, what if that change in environment should actually be no change at all, i.e. him remaining at Liverpool for a while? It's done wonders to Origi, I still can't believe he got to the point where club think he should be offered a new contract (sorry, @ILLOK!). I can't remember the last time Ojo spent a prolonged period of time with Liverpool (2016 maybe, when he was injured?), maybe stability is what he needs? I'm contradicting my previous post in a way but that coach (or coaches) who could help him turn his career around could be Critchley (as he's still elligible for U23s) and/or Klopp...

Whatever happens, I really hope we will talk about him in a few years' time the way we talk about Origi now. I really hope his problems are based on lack of self-confidence and/or consistency, rather than work rate or motivation.
 

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Just having a look at the players who went on loan this year.

Pedro Chirivella – Extremadura UD - sell
Liam Millar – Kilmarnock - sell
Ovie Ejaria – Reading - sell
Kamil Grabara – AGF Aarhus - another loan
Nathaniel Clyne – Bournemouth - sell
Danny Ings – Southampton - sell
Loris Karius – Besiktas - sell
Marko Grujic – Hertha Berlin - another loan
Sheyi Ojo – Reims - Debatable
Ryan Kent – Rangers - sell
Harry Wilson – Derby - PL loan or squad role here
Adam Bogdan – Hibernian - sell
Taiwo Awoniyi – Royal Excel Mouscron - sell?
Allan Rodrigues – Eintracht Frankfurt - sell
Anderson Arroyo – KAA Gent - ???
Herbie Kane – Doncaster Rovers -???
Woodburn - another loan?

What do you guys think?