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Liverpool U23s: Atherton, N Williams, Gallacher, R Williams (Clayton), Boyes (Koumetio), Chirivella (Ritaccio), Sharif, Longstaff (Bearne), Kane, Christie-Davies, O'Rourke (Dixon-Bonner).

So Atherton signed extension too. Koumetio - new youngster from Lyon, signed in January.

Tagseth (Rosenborg) and Raitanen (Fortuna Sittard) - gone from academy section of official site.
 
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Which youth or former youth player could still be sold in this window?

I think Wilson and Kent will be sold.
 

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Which youth or former youth player could still be sold in this window?

I think Wilson and Kent will be sold.
Kent and Wilson should both be involved on the US tour, let's see where it goes. I'd be surprised if Kent makes it through the summer, who knows about Wilson. If we really aren't bringing a big name in, I've no problem keeping one for depth, and that's probably Wilson.

Saying that, I could see Kent's directness and pace being beneficial in the last 20 minutes of games, even if you don't want to see starting for 6 games in a row. Out of the two, I'd be surprised if he is still in the squad when the season starts, but they'll all get a chance. Maybe Kent only needs to be in a team surrounded by great players to really show what he's got.
 

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If we would have to replace Salah, Firmino and Mané in an important game my favorite Front three would be Ox (LW), Origi (CF), Shaqiri (RW). Even in that (unrealistic) scenario Brewster would still be ahead of Wilson and Kent.
 

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If we would have to replace Salah, Firmino and Mané in an important game my favorite Front three would be Ox (LW), Origi (CF), Shaqiri (RW). Even in that (unrealistic) scenario Brewster would still be ahead of Wilson and Kent.
Has Ox even started a game in a front 3 for us yet? I can't remember but don't think he has. Couple of appearances wide in 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-1-1. But almost exclusively as a CM since the move here. Klopp hasn't been keen to use Shaqiri in a front 3 either, nearly all his appearances were in 4231 too.
 

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Has Ox even started a game in a front 3 for us yet? I can't remember but don't think he has. Couple of appearances wide in 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-1-1. But almost exclusively as a CM since the move here. Klopp hasn't been keen to use Shaqiri in a front 3 either, nearly all his appearances were in 4231 too.
Not even sure Ox has ever started as a Left Winger but i think from our squad he would be best suited to try to replace Mané.

Shaqiri was used as a Left Winger once last season (not sure which game it was) and wasn't he a Right Winger in THAT game against Barca? Of course he is a different type of 'winger' than Salah. I would say Salah is a right forward while Shaqiri is a right midfielder.
 

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Not even sure Ox has ever started as a Left Winger but i think from our squad he would be best suited to try to replace Mané.

Shaqiri was used as a Left Winger once last season (not sure which game it was) and wasn't he a Right Winger in THAT game against Barca? Of course he is a different type of 'winger' than Salah. I would say Salah is a right forward while Shaqiri is a right midfielder.
Yeah so although we may get away with it here and there essentially our back up plans for Salah and Mane (two similar players who are incredibly important parts of our ideal attack and both start as often as possible) are completely different types of players. Its hardly ideal like.
 

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I remember that song by Musical Youth when I was a kid:

Play Larouci on the left hand side
Play Larouci on the left hand side
I don't get the reference, unfortunately... :( But I know When You Don't Larouci Me by The Sisters Of Mercy! lol

It's good to see him playing tonight against Tranmere, I hope he makes the most out of it. Liverpool handpicked him from Le Havre and while he did change his initial position, he's been very bright for U18s. Well built, good pace, obvious attacking instincts, technique and skill... A bit one-footed, though, and I don't think he'd be able to handle PL wingers, so probably two more years before he can be considered a first team member, provided his progress continues at last season's trajectory.
 

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I don't get the reference, unfortunately... :-( But I know When You Don't Larouci Me by The Sisters Of Mercy! lol

It's good to see him playing tonight against Tranmere, I hope he makes the most out of it. Liverpool handpicked him from Le Havre and while he did change his initial position, he's been very bright for U18s. Well built, good pace, obvious attacking instincts, technique and skill... A bit one-footed, though, and I don't think he'd be able to handle PL wingers, so probably two more years before he can be considered a first team member, provided his progress continues at last season's trajectory.
I'll be honest, i've been really excited by the thought of him breaking through ever since i first read about him in March. I've never seen him play though which makes the excitement even odder.
 

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Glatzel and Duncan are our golden duo.

Was Captain Tsubasa a thing where you live or when you grew up?

In Germany it was huge.
 

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Yeah so although we may get away with it here and there essentially our back up plans for Salah and Mane (two similar players who are incredibly important parts of our ideal attack and both start as often as possible) are completely different types of players. Its hardly ideal like.
I think it's fine to say you don't think a specific player shouldn't play a role for us if you think he lacks the attributes. However, I think the way you have positioned that represents a fault that is common on here - that the required attributes are exactly those that the current incumbent of the shirt has.
 

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I think it's fine to say you don't think a specific player shouldn't play a role for us if you think he lacks the attributes. However, I think the way you have positioned that represents a fault that is common on here - that the required attributes are exactly those that the current incumbent of the shirt has.
I don't think I'm being too out of line. You wouldn't use wingers like Beckham and Downing to cover Salah and Mane just because they play roughly the same position. Salah and Mane are practically out and out strikers who start wide and cut inside to the space that is vacant because Firmino doesn't take it up like a traditional number 9. If you replace them with players like Ox and Shaqiri its different. Firmino isn't vacating the space for anyone in particular it's just being left vacant. What's more they'll either contest the wide areas meaning Robertson and Alexander-Arnold can't attack the space (as there isn't any space) or they'll be cutting into attacking midfield. I think at the club at moment the most natural cover we have for Salah and Mane is Origi, Brewster and Kent not guys like Shaqiri, Ox and Wilson.
 

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I don't think I'm being too out of line. You wouldn't use wingers like Beckham and Downing to cover Salah and Mane just because they play roughly the same position. Salah and Mane are practically out and out strikers who start wide and cut inside to the space that is vacant because Firmino doesn't take it up like a traditional number 9. If you replace them with players like Ox and Shaqiri its different. Firmino isn't vacating the space for anyone in particular it's just being left vacant. What's more they'll either contest the wide areas meaning Robertson and Alexander-Arnold can't attack the space (as there isn't any space) or they'll be cutting into attacking midfield. I think at the club at moment the most natural cover we have for Salah and Mane is Origi, Brewster and Kent not guys like Shaqiri, Ox and Wilson.
Lemar doesnt play like Mane or Salah. Neither does Fekir. Neither do Brandt or Draxler. Yet all are forwards we made serious attempts to sign. Hell, Phil didn't and he was still exceptional in the role. If Klopp can view how new players can still fit in despite having different attributes than Mane or Salah then it doesnt make sense to act like the requirement to play instead of them is being an analogue of them.
 

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Lemar doesnt play like Mane or Salah. Neither does Fekir. Neither do Brandt or Draxler. Yet all are forwards we made serious attempts to sign. Hell, Phil didn't and he was still exceptional in the role. If Klopp can view how new players can still fit in despite having different attributes than Mane or Salah then it doesnt make sense to act like the requirement to play instead of them is being an analogue of them.
See I believe we were at one point trying to move from 433 to 4231 and several of those targets make a lot of sense in 4231 as does Shaqiri and (to a lesser extent) Ox, Lallana and Keita who obviously work in midfield in 433 as well. I think (at least during last season) Klopp realised more of the side works better and more fluid in 433. It's not for sure he'll stick with 433 and not move towards 4231 again but I'm working on what we are currently set up in. Klopps 433 is more likely to use players like these in the middle 3 or the false 9 and strikers in the "wide" positions.
 

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U23s beat Spartans FC in their pre-season tour of Scotland.

Winterbottom
N. Williams R. Williams Boyes Johnston
Chirivella Kane Sharif
Longstaff Christie-Davies O'Rourke

Subs: George; Clayton, Gallacher, Rattachio, Bearne, Dixon-Bonner, Varesanovic

Jack Bearne scored the only goal.
 
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U23s beat Spartans FC in their pre-season tour of Scotland.

Grabara
N. Williams R. Williams Boyes Johnston
Chirivella Kane Sharif
Longstaff Christie-Davies O'Rourke

Subs: George; Clayton, Gallacher, Rattachio, Bearne, Dixon-Bonner, Varesanovic

Jack Bearne scored the only goal.
Winterbottom, not Grabara.
 

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From what I've seen so far in pre-season I think Hoever, Jones and obviously Brewster have huge chances to progress here.

Brewster is pretty obvious, he looks far far above his age. A complete forward, seems to have no weaknesses (or glaring ones), certainly knows how to score, but I've been most impressed with his link up play.

Hoever has only built on the games v's Wolves etc. So calm and assured at such a young age, where he will play could be anywhere - RB/LB/CB/DM.

Jones seems to be slipping under the radar a bit but he scored a technically outstanding half volley in the first game and everytime I see him he seems to have all the time on the ball. Hopefully not rose tinted glasses as he's a scouser and more scousers in the team isn't a bad thing.

1 core personality trait they all have is swagger, a raw confidence that I think is utterly key in making it.
 

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Jones seems to be slipping under the radar a bit but he scored a technically outstanding half volley in the first game and everytime I see him he seems to have all the time on the ball. Hopefully not rose tinted glasses as he's a scouser and more scousers in the team isn't a bad thing.

1 core personality trait they all have is swagger, a raw confidence that I think is utterly key in making it.
He's an interesting one as I thought he was one of the better players in last pre-season as well. Then once the season started he disappeared, and according to the people who watch didnt even have too good a season at this level.
 

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He's an interesting one as I thought he was one of the better players in last pre-season as well. Then once the season started he disappeared, and according to the people who watch didnt even have too good a season at this level.
He seems very naturally gifted so I wonder if he takes it all a bit too easy. I have no doubts the likes of Inglethorpe and Klopp will sort him out. He should be bossing it at U23 level.
 

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He's an interesting one as I thought he was one of the better players in last pre-season as well. Then once the season started he disappeared, and according to the people who watch didnt even have too good a season at this level.
I think the thing people overlooked last season is he was often the youngest player on the pitch at U23 level , he only turned 18 at the end of January.

Despite his youth he was expected to be focal point of a rubbish attack - he spent most of his season with Glen McAuley upfront - a lot of viewers at that level were expecting to see him dominate fixtures (that weirdo Guardian was critical of him whenever he was quiet) without taking the context of his relative inexperience and the fact our front line was rubbish into account.

I've been going over the U23s season on LFCTV Go recently and it is noticeable just how much he improved towards the end of the season when Brewster and Woodburn returned to the side.
 

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I think the thing people overlooked last season is he was often the youngest player on the pitch at U23 level , he only turned 18 at the end of January.

Despite his youth he was expected to be focal point of a rubbish attack - he spent most of his season with Glen McAuley upfront - a lot of viewers at that level were expecting to see him dominate fixtures (that weirdo Guardian was critical of him whenever he was quiet) without taking the context of his relative inexperience and the fact our front line was rubbish into account.

I've been going over the U23s season on LFCTV Go recently and it is noticeable just how much he improved towards the end of the season when Brewster and Woodburn returned to the side.
I get that he was young, but other than maybe explaining some inconsistency, you wouldn't think that sort of step up would bother a player who looked so at home with the first team. Having to play with a lower quality of player very well might though. For a creative player, about the only thing more frustrating than no one seeing the passes you want to make is constantly finding yourself in good positions and no one finding a way to get you the ball. You end up being the best player on the pitch and getting no meaningful touches.
 
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I think the thing people overlooked last season is he was often the youngest player on the pitch at U23 level , he only turned 18 at the end of January.

Despite his youth he was expected to be focal point of a rubbish attack - he spent most of his season with Glen McAuley upfront - a lot of viewers at that level were expecting to see him dominate fixtures (that weirdo Guardian was critical of him whenever he was quiet) without taking the context of his relative inexperience and the fact our front line was rubbish into account.

I've been going over the U23s season on LFCTV Go recently and it is noticeable just how much he improved towards the end of the season when Brewster and Woodburn returned to the side.
I thought guardian jerked off over Jones, wasn't it Duncan he had it in for?
 

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I get that he was young, but other than maybe explaining some inconsistency, you wouldn't think that sort of step up would bother a player who looked so at home with the first team. Having to play with a lower quality of player very well might though. For a creative player, about the only thing more frustrating than no one seeing the passes you want to make, is constantly finding yourself in good positions and no one finding a way to get you the ball.
Could well be he's one of those who play better with better players around him. It sounds obvious in a way; but if he's a team player who feeds off what he has around him, rather than being the type who wants to be the 'hero' and the best player in the team, then it makes sense for him to look better next to better players.