Loris Karius (GK) Bayer Leverkusen / Besiktas

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I think we all knew this was coming.

John Percy of the The Telegraph is reporting that Karius is a target for Bayer Leverkusen. Given the rumours in the past couple of days that Klopp is willing to sell both Mignolet and Karius in this window, it's not surprising to see Karius linked with a Bundesliga team. Not nearly as surprising as seeing Mignolet linked with Barcelona though!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ffloading-loris-karius-simon-mignolet-summer/
 

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Wonder if Karius is a loan or sell. Selling Ward doesn’t seem the best idea now
 

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Interesting. Because Leverkusen signed quite a few goalies in the last year or so (he'd probably be viewed as backup to Hradecky?). But you always felt going back to Germany was probably the most realistic option for Karius if he left. Especially at this stage, needing a place for football rehab. Not sure if we'd be really prepared to go with the trio of Alisson, Grabara and Kelleher though. Maybe we'd look at the free/cheap/loan market for an experienced option (not 'anyone' though, needs to fit certain criteria in terms of style) to help the situation behind Alisson for a season or so.
 

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Let him go. In my opinion I don't think he's good enough for a no 2 either (and that's not down to the Champs League final). Rather have Mignolet or an experienced steady keeper like Krul as no 2
 

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Interesting. Because Leverkusen signed quite a few goalies in the last year or so (he'd probably be viewed as backup to Hradecky?). But you always felt going back to Germany was probably the most realistic option for Karius if he left. Especially at this stage, needing a place for football rehab. Not sure if we'd be really prepared to go with the trio of Alisson, Grabara and Kelleher though. Maybe we'd look at the free/cheap/loan market for an experienced option (not 'anyone' though, needs to fit certain criteria in terms of style) to help the situation behind Alisson for a season or so.
Not “anyone” Bogdan :shocked: The name that strikes fear into ever Liverpool fan worldwide when a new back up goalkeeper is required on the cheap who “won’t play much”
 

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I'll be very surprised if we sold Karius. His value couldn't be lower right now. I expect we'll probably keep him around but if he does go I'd expect it to be on loan.

I also can't see us letting both Karius *and* Mignolet leave. Mignolet is almost certain to be off (preferably permanently, if not on loan), which makes Karius' departure even more unlikely.
 

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Even the Echo saying Klopp is open to prospect of losing both Karius and Migs.

Loan for Karius makes the most sense, allows him to rebuild his confidence away from the PL spotlight.

We would need more cover coming in, though. I feel kinda sick saying it, but a year-loan for someone currently unwanted like Hart would make sense.
 

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Even the Echo saying Klopp is open to prospect of losing both Karius and Migs.

Loan for Karius makes the most sense, allows him to rebuild his confidence away from the PL spotlight.

We would need more cover coming in, though. I feel kinda sick saying it, but a year-loan for someone currently unwanted like Hart would make sense.
I think there are other temporary options out there aprt from Hart. Tim Krull for example.

If both Migs and Karius do leave then I can pat myself on the back for predicting that we'll have three goalies leaving and two coming in. Won't I feel smug. It might even be three coming in as the Mirror reckons we're interested in some 6' 7'' non-league goalie.
 

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I think there are other temporary options out there aprt from Hart. Tim Krull for example.

If both Migs and Karius do leave then I can pat myself on the back for predicting that we'll have three goalies leaving and two coming in. Won't I feel smug. It might even be three coming in as the Mirror reckons we're interested in some 6' 7'' non-league goalie.
Krul signed for Norwich a week ago, 2-year deal.

Don't get me wrong I don't like Hart and don't think he's a very good goalie any more, but feels like we're running out of time and I'd be surprised if there are many better no2 options out there.

Loan deal, though, not permanent. Rebuild Karius, welcome him back in 12 months and boot Hart back out the door.
 

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You could see them both wanting out now, where as in the last couple of years they were both competing for no.1, neither have a chance of that now.
So do they both want to sit on the bench for a season?
 

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You could see them both wanting out now, where as in the last couple of years they were both competing for no.1, neither have a chance of that now.
So do they both want to sit on the bench for a season?
Even more than what they want, I'm not sure how getting splinters on the bench would benefit Karius at this point. But I don't think he's a dead loss, which is why I think a loan for him would be the best solution for everyone.
 

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A Leverkusen brainfade and we get Havertz for Karius + €10m. Please make this happen. I'd happily go with Ward and Grabara as Becker backup, if Jürgen gets his chance to develop Kai. Imagine an Özil clone but with a Klopp pressing work ethic chip in its brain.
 

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A Leverkusen brainfade and we get Havertz for Karius + €10m. Please make this happen. I'd happily go with Ward and Grabara as Becker backup, if Jürgen gets his chance to develop Kai. Imagine an Özil clone but with a Klopp pressing work ethic chip in its brain.
Ward? Going to be expensive to buy him back from Leicester.
 

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Simple spelling error of course I meant Casey Kelleher. Or is he at Leicester too?
I did the same the other day with Woodburn and Markovic.

Seriously though, it would be a massive, massive risk going into the season with Grabarra and Kelleher backing up Alisson.

If Karius goes, then the club would have to bring in an experienced number two.
 
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IMO Karius has to go, and permanently. Having him round at no2 will be a constant reminder of his Kiev debacle. He has got the hump about not being told Alisson was coming and I don't see Klopp putting up with grumbling or disharmony. That's ultimately why he'll go.

During a couple of years, Karius had a decent spell for 3-4 months Jan-April but nothing earth shattering and even during that period I remember Virgil bailing him out a couple of times and looking decidedly unimpressed.

He was a cheap punt, didn't work out. We can probably get an equal no2 fairly 'cost neutrally' if we sell him and we just need cover for a year or two as we have some exciting youngsters coming through.

No point loaning him to come back to the bench, since Alisson is the future. Maybe his value would rise from rock bottom now but bundesliga prices will be peanuts compared to the hassle value, so get rid.
 

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I did the same the other day with Woodburn and Markovic.

Seriously though, it would be a massive, massive risk going into the season with Grabarra and Kelleher backing up Alisson.

If Karius goes, then the club would have to bring in an experienced number two.
Karius broke his hand in one of his first appearances... accidents can and unfortunately do happen and I can't really envisage someone as canny as Klopp leaving us vulnerable to something like that.

We'll have to see how it develops, the only two scenarios I can see are Karius stays as no2 or he goes and someone like Hart is drafted in at the last minute to provide experienced cover.
 

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Even more than what they want, I'm not sure how getting splinters on the bench would benefit Karius at this point. But I don't think he's a dead loss, which is why I think a loan for him would be the best solution for everyone.
Personally I'd rather sell him. Let him rebuild his career elsewhere. We have just broken the world record for a goalie, so unless something awful were to happen Alisson then Karius would be wasting his time coming back after one year on loan. Best thing for him and us would be for him to join another club. For a fee.

As for a stop-gap goalie, another option could be the 35 year old former Red Diego Cavalieri. Don't know if Alisson's English is all that good, but I'm assuming Cavalieri's is maybe OK. As a fellow Brazilian he could help Alisson adapt to life here as well as helping linguistically, particularly in training.
Here's a link from which you can see our Diego in one of his rare appearances in a Liverpool shirt. I should add that, as you probably know, he has been released by Palace.
http://www.worldfootball.net/player_summary/diego-cavalieri/
 

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Personally I'd rather sell him. Let him rebuild his career elsewhere. We have just broken the world record for a goalie, so unless something awful were to happen Alisson then Karius would be wasting his time coming back after one year on loan. Best thing for him and us would be for him to join another club. For a fee.

As for a stop-gap goalie, another option could be the 35 year old former Red Diego Cavalieri. Don't know if Alisson's English is all that good, but I'm assuming Cavalieri's is maybe OK. As a fellow Brazilian he could help Alisson adapt to life here as well as helping linguistically, particularly in training.
Here's a link from which you can see our Diego in one of his rare appearances in a Liverpool shirt.
http://www.worldfootball.net/player_summary/diego-cavalieri/
Alisson speaks pretty good English going by his LFC interview(s). I don't think we need someone around to help him adapt when we've got Bobby, Fabinho and the mascot, Moreno.
 

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I remember Cavalieri. I dunno man, he was poor when he played for us before, I doubt he's a better player at 35 than he was at 28...
 

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Speculation is Hart is available for less than 5 million :think:
Having him in goal wouldn’t fill me with optimism but I’d be more relaxed than if it was Mignolet or Karius as he is just now :((
 

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Speculation is Hart is available for less than 5 million :think:
Having him in goal wouldn’t fill me with optimism but I’d be more relaxed than if it was Mignolet or Karius as he is just now :((
I dont rate Hart at all to be honest. I get the feeling he's a bit broken like Karius
 



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Seriously though, it would be a massive, massive risk going into the season with Grabarra and Kelleher backing up Alisson.

If Karius goes, then the club would have to bring in an experienced number two.
I agree, I was just answering a Pavlovian reflex. I'm conditioned to bring Kai Havertz into the discussion, whenever I read the word Leverkusen.
Pavlov's pipe dream.
 

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If there is any truth to this claim I would now expect Karius to be the one who goes IF he can find a decent club willing to take him permanently in his current state of mind. I’d be surprised if Klopp lets Karius AND Mignolet go with so little of the current transfer window left. Unless of course we go for a short-term fix and could tempt Pepe back or possibly bring in Casillas? It may turn out to be a pity we let Ward go in hindsight. Migs may have to wait until the next transfer window (at least) to get his move away.
 
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Until now I haven't seen anything about this move in the German media. Not sure what to think, Leverkusen isn't in need either and tbf we already had some fake news about Karius.

Edit.. there are still these "fake news" around that Karius was upset because of Alisson etc. This is now ridiculous imo, and everything about that is only because that wrong translated telegraph article.
 
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