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Nabil Fekir (AM/ST) Lyon

What will Fekir be leaning on?

  • The Wall of Champions, pointing at the newly installed 6

  • A giant screen playing the leaked video from last year which we'll use for VAR

  • The railing at Melwood, looking forlornly at it cos he knackered his knee again

  • A bog standard table, with a bog standard pen, and a sheet of random paper

  • A furious Man City fan demanding to know why THEY aren't in the picture as champions

  • Big Virg, because fucking anyone can lean on him

  • An enormous pile of cash that Mick Edwards saved us

  • The crushed spirit of James Pearce

  • His mum, because he's not fucking coming


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Limiescouse

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Doubt Fekir was 'OK' the move fell through and probably still fancies the move to us,this twat Aulas is worse than a politician with his one sided horseshit but for me Fekir is more likely to be here than staying where he is,definitely not staying there so Aulas is just talking bollocks.
The thing is, Fekir at 35 million all of a sudden makes a lot more sense
 


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Do you ever feel like sometimes you're just p***ing into the wind when telling people the reasons he wasn't signed back in the summer!? We'll still be linked to him after he's medically retired and driving his mobility scooter down the bookies in his slippers.
Yeah, but what a left foot! Could open a tin of peaches with that!

On a more serious note, put me down for Aouar if we are going to Lyon. The Fekir ship has sailed. If we sign him it will be for a low, low fee in relation to his talent, because of the underlying knee issue. And since we are already trying to rebuild one attacking midfielder, Ox, who’s knee exploded; I can’t imagine we’d have the stomach to invite another such scenario. At least not for very much money.
 

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Yeah, but what a left foot! Could open a tin of peaches with that!

On a more serious note, put me down for Aouar if we are going to Lyon. The Fekir ship has sailed. If we sign him it will be for a low, low fee in relation to his talent, because of the underlying knee issue. And since we are already trying to rebuild one attacking midfielder, Ox, who’s knee exploded; I can’t imagine we’d have the stomach to invite another such scenario. At least not for very much money.
He's not been on fire at Lyon either, only 2 goals so far this season. Which ok isn't terrible but need to see how he fares this season and maybe if the knee situation is solvable (no idea if than kind of problem can be fixed) have a look at him next summer, but like you say at a much reduced price.
 

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He's not been on fire at Lyon either, only 2 goals so far this season. Which ok isn't terrible but need to see how he fares this season and maybe if the knee situation is solvable (no idea if than kind of problem can be fixed) have a look at him next summer, but like you say at a much reduced price.
4 goals 4 assists in 900 odd minutes of football is still pretty good, involved in a goal every 115 minutes or so. He does look like he's missed some games through injury this season though which would be a concern.

Only seen him play once this season and he was terrific at the Etihad, tore City apart. Based on that performance alone it was obvious how why we wanted him.
 



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4 goals 4 assists in 900 odd minutes of football is still pretty good, involved in a goal every 115 minutes or so. He does look like he's missed some games through injury this season though which would be a concern.

Only seen him play once this season and he was terrific at the Etihad, tore City apart. Based on that performance alone it was obvious how why we wanted him.
What was the injury? Was it the knee or unrelated?
 

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It would be pretty damn hilarious if he actually ended up here for cut price after all of Aulas' bullshit.

It won't happen, but a man can dream.
 



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See, that's worrying. A hell of a lot of coin to spend on a potential bench warmer. There are cheaper options, whether they're better or not who can say but I think the ship has left port for Fekir.
 

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See, that's worrying. A hell of a lot of coin to spend on a potential bench warmer. There are cheaper options, whether they're better or not who can say but I think the ship has left port for Fekir.
He missed games this season due to his involvement in the World Cup, and then having his ankle mashed by someone in a Ligue 1 game. Nothing to do with his "injury worries."
 

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He missed games this season due to his involvement in the World Cup, and then having his ankle mashed by someone in a Ligue 1 game. Nothing to do with his "injury worries."
Well that's what you'd expect any player to possibly suffer with each season, the worry is the failed medical.
 

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Well that's what you'd expect any player to possibly suffer with each season, the worry is the failed medical.
From what I've repeatedly heard and read, Fekir didn't fail the medical - it was more down to the fact that it revealed that the knee operation he had a few seasons ago was performed using cadaver material versus a graft from his own tissue, which is apparently more prone to failure, and as such we wanted to restructure the deal and/or the insurance underwriters wouldn't go for it at the original agreed fee.

To this day, there has been absolutely zero word from our club as to why we backed out of it, Fekir has said that he has no idea why the deal fell through, and Aulas is claiming that it's all down to him deciding to do it. (Cough...)
 



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Still not convinced anything will happen personally, and definitely not in January. Pulling out of a deal that was all but done at the eleventh hour to me was a clear indicator that the state of his knee was a major worry for us and we aren’t convinced he will be a worthwhile long term investment. Maybe I’m not reading the situation right but I don’t see the logic in it being about restructuring the deal financially if we were already aware of the issues surrounding how his knee was lashed back together.

Would also say that at present we do have a pretty decent amount of options in the roles he plays. Always nice to add some more quality but I feel like we’d have to get one or two out if he arrived which I can’t see us being willing to do in January. We’ve had the emergence of Salah as a striker, Firmino being deployed in a slightly deeper role, Shaqiri exceeding expectations, Sturridge proving to be a somewhat useful back option, Keita now coming into some form, Lallana still being around and Oxlade-Chamberlain potentially returning before the season ends. Would presume Solanke goes out on loan and maybe we’ll shift Origi if a decent offer comes in. Brewster was also supposedly promised some amount of game time in order to convince him to stay, will be interesting to see what happens with him after Christmas when he’s back in contention.

Given the position we are currently in as well, I do wonder if Klopp would would be willing to bring any player in if there was even the slightest risk of it having a negative effect on the harmony within the squad.
 

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From what I've repeatedly heard and read, Fekir didn't fail the medical - it was more down to the fact that it revealed that the knee operation he had a few seasons ago was performed using cadaver material versus a graft from his own tissue, which is apparently more prone to failure, and as such we wanted to restructure the deal and/or the insurance underwriters wouldn't go for it at the original agreed fee.

To this day, there has been absolutely zero word from our club as to why we backed out of it, Fekir has said that he has no idea why the deal fell through, and Aulas is claiming that it's all down to him deciding to do it. (Cough...)
Fair one Uber I didn’t know that
 

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Speaking of Lyon, saw him only twice but Ferland Mendy is pretty good going forward from LB (although today he was LWB). Just made his debut for France too.
 



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maybe our pulling out had something to do with the realization that we had a chance to sign the best keeper in the world?
 

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How often have we returned for a player we decided not to buy?

(under the same manager that is)

...

I really think this is dead.

He is a good player though and I'll enjoy watching him play.
 

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From what I've repeatedly heard and read, Fekir didn't fail the medical - it was more down to the fact that it revealed that the knee operation he had a few seasons ago was performed using cadaver material versus a graft from his own tissue, which is apparently more prone to failure, and as such we wanted to restructure the deal and/or the insurance underwriters wouldn't go for it at the original agreed fee.

To this day, there has been absolutely zero word from our club as to why we backed out of it, Fekir has said that he has no idea why the deal fell through, and Aulas is claiming that it's all down to him deciding to do it. (Cough...)
This is what im led to believe from reliable journos.
 



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From what I've repeatedly heard and read, Fekir didn't fail the medical

...it revealed [something] as such we wanted to restructure the deal
That is precisely what it means to fail a medical.

As for the type of graft, there was a lot of nonsense written about it at the time. There are pros and cons of each type of procedure, which is why there are several different approaches. None is universally and undeniably better than the other and it is not reasonable to think we backed away because of the type of graft.
 

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That is precisely what it means to fail a medical.

As for the type of graft, there was a lot of nonsense written about it at the time. There are pros and cons of each type of procedure, which is why there are several different approaches. None is universally and undeniably better than the other and it is not reasonable to think we backed away because of the type of graft.
Having unfortunately had to have an ACL repaired myself, maybe I can shed some light on this. There are (or at least were 3 years ago) 3 main types of grafts that can be done to repair an ACL. 1) using an ACL from a cadaver 2) using a hamstring tendon 3) using a section to the Patella Tendon

The cadaver method has the highest chance of a re-tear, something like 15-20% chance. Hamstring tendon was closer to 5% while Patella Tendon was 1-2% chance. (Going from memory of what my surgeon told me). Recovery wise, the cadaver method and the hamstring tendon method are both quicker recovery times than the Patella Tendon method. My surgeon was a former NFL team doctor and uses the Patella Tendon method as it has the lowest frequency of re-injury.

Maybe my surgeon was blowing smoke, but take it for what its worth. If Fekir had his replaced using a cadaver ACL, its entirely reasonable that the club docs might not be comfortable with that given the demands of the way we play and the higher frequency of that type of repair being re-injured.
 

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From what I've repeatedly heard and read, Fekir didn't fail the medical - it was more down to the fact that it revealed that the knee operation he had a few seasons ago was performed using cadaver material versus a graft from his own tissue, which is apparently more prone to failure, and as such we wanted to restructure the deal and/or the insurance underwriters wouldn't go for it at the original agreed fee.

To this day, there has been absolutely zero word from our club as to why we backed out of it, Fekir has said that he has no idea why the deal fell through, and Aulas is claiming that it's all down to him deciding to do it. (Cough...)
Just from having 2 ACL surgeries on a single knee (which is why I don't play the beautiful game anymore competitively)... I will comment that both times I've done it they have used grafts from my own body - both patella tendon grafts (one from either knee). There are positives and negatives to all types of grafts. Historically using a donor graft was not ideal for high level athletes as they were considered weaker, lower quality grafts and there were concerns of diseases and rejection by your body. These donor grafts have become MUCH better in quality, but I think during preparation there are cells killed through freezing and this also can weaken the graft. I am very surprised that they would have used a donor graft for Fekir. The only reasons I can think of not to use part of his patella tendon (from either knee).

When you take a patella graft from your own body, it should end up being stronger than the original ACL, but it does weaken your knee and could cause problems with the knees down the road. However I would have thought this would have been minimal with proper surgery which I am sure would have been done by better surgeons and more completely than mine was.

I could see how the underwriters and club could believe that the method used "could" have higher risk of future injury associated with it and need to take steps accordingly. That said, it's also extremely likely that he'll never tear it again and all will be well with him.

I wish Nabil all the best, but don't expect we'll ever find him here in a Liverpool shirt. His numbers in the Champions League have been excellent. His numbers in the league not so much, but that could be as he's only managed 8 league matches.
 

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That is precisely what it means to fail a medical.

As for the type of graft, there was a lot of nonsense written about it at the time. There are pros and cons of each type of procedure, which is why there are several different approaches. None is universally and undeniably better than the other and it is not reasonable to think we backed away because of the type of graft.
I don't think that's necessarily true. For a high performing athlete, I've not heard of anyone recommending use of a cadaver graft (they are weaker) unless there is a reason you can't use a graft from your own body. Of the grafts from your own body, there is an advantage of using your patellar tendon as opposed to a hamstring tendon is because with the patellar tendon, you can attach bone to bone. The hamstring graft has a longer healing time, and it is typically a weaker attachment. Now if you don't mind sidelining the player for a much longer time frame, then it can be similar to the patellar graft, though many doctors still think it's a weaker attachment.
 
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I don't think that's necessarily true. For a high performing athlete, I've not heard of anyone recommending use of a cadaver graft (they are weaker) unless there is a reason you can't use a graft from your own body. Of the grafts from your own body, there is an advantage of using your patellar tendon as opposed to a hamstring tendon is because with the patellar tendon, you can attach bone to bone, which is a longer healing time, and it is typically a weaker attachment. Now if you don't mind sidelining the player for a much longer time frame, then it can be similar to the patellar graft, though many doctors still think it's a weaker attachment.
I know this is commonly stated, but it doesn't make it true. Would you concede that maybe these things are more complicated than being able to say "this procedure is stronger than that" and that performance of the graft is not the only consideration? For instance, both the Petella tendon and the hamstring tendon play critical roles in the proper functioning of the knee and those are tissues that are permanently weakened as a result of the donation. What do you think the implications of that are for a footballer?
 
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