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Nabil Fekir (AM/ST) Lyon

What will Fekir be leaning on?

  • The Wall of Champions, pointing at the newly installed 6

  • A giant screen playing the leaked video from last year which we'll use for VAR

  • The railing at Melwood, looking forlornly at it cos he knackered his knee again

  • A bog standard table, with a bog standard pen, and a sheet of random paper

  • A furious Man City fan demanding to know why THEY aren't in the picture as champions

  • Big Virg, because fucking anyone can lean on him

  • An enormous pile of cash that Mick Edwards saved us

  • The crushed spirit of James Pearce

  • His mum, because he's not fucking coming


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Anfield rd Dreamer

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What has that got to do with what I asked? :eh?:
You literally asked if not buying Fekir means that we should sell Gomez and Ox. We already own them, they do fantastic for us when available. Just because we've decided not to spend a lot of money to take on a player with a similar issue doesn't mean we should cast off what we have. That's why I pointed out you wouldn't act that way over cars. Or anything really. If you have something great that has an annoying fault you try to get it fixed. But you don't go spend a lot of money on something new that already has that fault just because there is a chance it too may be great. You go buy another new one without the fault and save yourself the future hassle.
 


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EDIT: And if that Real Betis link is real, he must REALLY hate life at OL. That is a very strange choice of a club.
More of him burning his bridges after being denied the move to Liverpool. OL have hawked him to everyone this transfer windows, Liverpool werent biting, They've even offered him to Arsenal. Club like Arsenal would probably have rated Fekir as a better option than Ozil etc but they didn't make a move.
Don't blame fekir one bit but if most of the clubs feel that he's on a short lifespan, Betis(with all due respect) is probably one of the better options. There might also have been a concern on whether he could handle the physicality of the english league. It's one thing handling it in one match for the UEFA CL's where you'll meet teams which want to play football. How will his leg hold up to defenders taking a kick at him ?
 

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Yes and no. I don't necessarily disagree with you but the player also has a say, and holds the biggest hammer. We don't know how it's going behind the scenes. By all available information, the player was never the same after the bizarre turn of events with LFC. Other PL clubs possibly could have courted him and he could have possibly just said NO, If I am coming to England it's only for Liverpool. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen a player take a one club stance.

EDIT: And if that Real Betis link is real, he must REALLY hate life at OL. That is a very strange choice of a club.
People forget that he legitimately had his goodbye with the fans at the end of the previous season. He'd made his mind up, been given the necessary assurances by Aulas and then gone through the emotional process of preparing to leave, only to end up still there in August. From our perspective, Lyon is a much better club and place to be than Betis, but I can understand the thought that once you have emotionally checked out of something that you need to just move on. Its just a damn shame that a player of that undoubted quality doesnt have more suitors.
 

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I guess we’ll see over the next couple of year what happens to his knee, and whether Liverpool were right to swerve it.
More of him burning his bridges after being denied the move to Liverpool. OL have hawked him to everyone this transfer windows, Liverpool werent biting, They've even offered him to Arsenal. Club like Arsenal would probably have rated Fekir as a better option than Ozil etc but they didn't make a move.
Don't blame fekir one bit but if most of the clubs feel that he's on a short lifespan, Betis(with all due respect) is probably one of the better options. There might also have been a concern on whether he could handle the physicality of the english league. It's one thing handling it in one match for the UEFA CL's where you'll meet teams which want to play football. How will his leg hold up to defenders taking a kick at him ?
Sorry for using your post in reply, but...
- We rant or rave-one can use whichever word one chooses, about our, non plus ultra algorhytm in detecting the physical capabilities of any player we set our aim at. To say that the PL could be chalenging for him, does not stand a ground, if our guys are to be believed. We wanted to sign him, because, he could !...Of course there are other parameters also...
- The traditional thinking about the healing of the tissue, after ACL i dubious, or can be contested, it even seems obsolete... There are quite a few reputable cliniques that exercise the use of stem cells...There is one that's used for ACL...It's called; - The Regenexx stem cell procedure.
The debate can go pro, or contra...but, anyone, just find it...Mel Gibson talking about his now 100 y. old father, after the adult stem cell tretment - Joe Rogan podcast
- Not to say, there are other treatments...
We debate 137 pages, and I think we go on, because we are still at least a bit bafled, because we trusted the judgement of LFC, and wanted him signed !
Lot has been written "out there" also, with lots of conflicting, generaly superficial, "partisan" arguments.
All the best :well done:
PS. In two years time, we may "lend on the moon" - figuratively speaking:)
 

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You literally asked if not buying Fekir means that we should sell Gomez and Ox. We already own them, they do fantastic for us when available. Just because we've decided not to spend a lot of money to take on a player with a similar issue doesn't mean we should cast off what we have. That's why I pointed out you wouldn't act that way over cars. Or anything really. If you have something great that has an annoying fault you try to get it fixed. But you don't go spend a lot of money on something new that already has that fault just because there is a chance it too may be great. You go buy another new one without the fault and save yourself the future hassle.
That's not what I said or asked!
Just answer the question!
 



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That's not what I said or asked!
Just answer the question!
Err you did. Your post was talking about how we shouldn't necessarily be put off by it:

"I didn't know Lallana had an ACL when was that?
You did miss out Gomez' potential knee problems. :)
I think your assumtions over Fékirs knee are out of order. Special training isn't at all extraordinary in modern professional football many players have individual physical training sesssions. After an ACL leg muscle strengthening can go on for quite a long time after."

Your last line of your post was this question:

"I'm just wondering if you think we should look at selling Domez and AOC in the near future?"

Now I'm assuming that is a straight up challenge asking those who think we shouldn't sign Fekir if they also think we should sell Gomez and Ox. If that wasnt what you meant maybe you should re-read your post I initially replied to and reword it. Because that's definitely the only meaning I can take from that post.
 

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Unless I’m very much mistaken, no medical can reveal that any joint is about to pop. If it’s functionig fine now, who’s to say it’s going to go bang tomorrow?
A medical can flag concerns with the way it was repaired, and reveal a high liklihood that further problems will occur
 

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Reading the medical notes achieves that without the actual medical though doesn’t it?
Which may be part of the issue they had over the Fekir deal. They probably had sight of the medical notes but that didnt tally with what they were seeing during the medical and so they asked for another one.
 



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Which may be part of the issue they had over the Fekir deal. They probably had sight of the medical notes but that didnt tally with what they were seeing during the medical and so they asked for another one.
I think you should stay on the safe side and speculate that perhaps our (LFC) exam identified something new or that had been missed.
Even so it appeared that Lyon weren't of the same opinion and that's often what it boils down to (particularly in medicine) opinion.
So we have speculation based on unknown opinions, I wonder if one day we will get a 'full disclosure' on this from someone and if anyone will take any notice if this happens. :)
 

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Which may be part of the issue they had over the Fekir deal. They probably had sight of the medical notes but that didnt tally with what they were seeing during the medical and so they asked for another one.
Not like we've not done this thing before. Loic Remy, well known about his heart condition even before his move to the Premier League, went through our medical and then cancel the deal "due to medical reasons - his heart". We already know his heart condition and we still bid for it. What I know at the time was us trying to ask QPR to drop their price a bit more, and QPR said no to us. We then pulled the plug, release a statement to show fans we are concerned about his health.

It is also normal for us to believe what our club said since we are fans of Liverpool FC, unless you have the privy to read chain of emails/conversation notes which then allow you to form your own judgement based on it.
 

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Not like we've not done this thing before. Loic Remy, well known about his heart condition even before his move to the Premier League, went through our medical and then cancel the deal "due to medical reasons - his heart". We already know his heart condition and we still bid for it. What I know at the time was us trying to ask QPR to drop their price a bit more, and QPR said no to us. We then pulled the plug, release a statement to show fans we are concerned about his health.
We would have been sued to high heaven if we had actually done that.

The relationship between Cardiomyopathy and Sudden Cardiac Death is not that well understood and so there is a tremendous variability of opinion over how to screen for it and what the findings mean. It is also true that a lot of people don't even screen for it at all so there are tons of reasons why different clubs would conclude different things about a player like remy. The only relevance to the Fekir situation is that it indicates we are maybe more sophisticated than most teams in our evaluations.
 

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The only relevance to the Fekir situation is that it indicates we are maybe more sophisticated than most teams in our evaluations.
How do you come to that speculation/evaluation/conclusion?

Considering that Lyon work very closely with one of the best/renown specialists in knee surgery in France.
Really without confirmation of what really went on everything is speculation.
 



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We would have been sued to high heaven if we had actually done that.

The relationship between Cardiomyopathy and Sudden Cardiac Death is not that well understood and so there is a tremendous variability of opinion over how to screen for it and what the findings mean. It is also true that a lot of people don't even screen for it at all so there are tons of reasons why different clubs would conclude different things about a player like remy. The only relevance to the Fekir situation is that it indicates we are maybe more sophisticated than most teams in our evaluations.
We didn't because it isn't a secret that he had a heart condition. Nothing that we cannot disclose to the world from our side to QPR. They did think about it, but they realise no grounds.

As for your last part - Remy had gone and played 80plus games or so, and still actively playing for Lille, alive and kicking.
 

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We didn't because it isn't a secret that he had a heart condition. Nothing that we cannot disclose to the world from our side to QPR. They did think about it, but they realise no grounds.

As for your last part - Remy had gone and played 80plus games or so, and still actively playing for Lille, alive and kicking.
And?
 

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Sounding like Fekir has agreed a £25m move to Real Betis, likely to have to wait until they've sold Lo Celso though.
 



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Ok my tin foil hat theory.

We wanted Fekir this summer but couldn't be arsed with Aulas doing his big I am routine, so we sat back until another club thrashed out an acceptable bid (£26m) so we can swoop in and match it, while Fekir tells Aulus he wants to come to us instead of Betis.

We get Fekir for a price without the Liverpool tax, jobs a good 'un.

:well done:
 

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£18m plus £9m add ons. Crazy fee really. I know he has only got one year left on his contract but the whole thing is just fucking weird!!!! It's basically the Solanke fee.
 



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Fekir going to Betis/Napoli for a fraction of last year's fee, Lille still hawking Pepe around unsuccessfully, Sporting doing the same with Fernandes... feels like these are guys who would have previously been guaranteed big-money moves to England, and the market is having to readjust a bit around PL clubs generally (ignoring United for a moment) being a bit more careful with their money compared to recent summers.

I feel like Sporting in particular were banking on an auction for Fernandes, and are a bit surprised no-one's bitten yet.
 

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Ok my tin foil hat theory.

We wanted Fekir this summer but couldn't be arsed with Aulas doing his big I am routine, so we sat back until another club thrashed out an acceptable bid (£26m) so we can swoop in and match it, while Fekir tells Aulus he wants to come to us instead of Betis.

We get Fekir for a price without the Liverpool tax, jobs a good 'un.
Perfect scenario, and hopefully will transpire. I mean, from CL football, to world cup winner, top Real Betis? Makes ZERO sense
 

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The failed transfer last summer 'cost' them £30m. Can't understand why they agreed to have a friendly with us.
 



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