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Nabil Fekir (AM/ST) Lyon

What will Fekir be leaning on?

  • The Wall of Champions, pointing at the newly installed 6

  • A giant screen playing the leaked video from last year which we'll use for VAR

  • The railing at Melwood, looking forlornly at it cos he knackered his knee again

  • A bog standard table, with a bog standard pen, and a sheet of random paper

  • A furious Man City fan demanding to know why THEY aren't in the picture as champions

  • Big Virg, because fucking anyone can lean on him

  • An enormous pile of cash that Mick Edwards saved us

  • The crushed spirit of James Pearce

  • His mum, because he's not fucking coming


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Zoran

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Don't know why is this still open. We're not going back. You could see his body language with France last summer after what happened, his head wasn't right. That was also said about both him and Ndombele last season. However, it doesn't make him a bad player, but perhaps a bad investment long term. What he showed against City is that he's capable of really high level performances, match winning stuff right through the centre of the pitch. Technique, dribbling ability, strength, creativity, goal threat, a bit of magic about him. Stylistically, you can see that he'd probably be our best player in terms of technique and linking midfield with attack between the lines here. But as an investment, after what our club found out about him, we decided to close that chapter. Nice player to watch, hope he goes somewhere where he can stay fit and enjoy his football again, even if it's not right at one of the very best clubs, he'll keep trying to get there.
 

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Perhaps the difference between Lallana and Fekir fitness wise is that a medical assessment hasn’t revealed Lalla’s knee is about to pop?

Pointing to how much each has played over the last year is redundant, if the reason for swerving Fekir is something in his future, rather than his past.
The biggest difference for LFC is lallana already has a contract. Essentially the way we feel about fekir is probably how a lot of clubs feel about Lallana wrt to paying a fee and wages to join their club.
 

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Can't see this happening.

Unless the club have found a secret way to transfer a fit and fully functioning knee to replace his knackered one we likely will have moved on.
 

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According to Le Parisien Fekir is close to signing for Real Betis Sevilla.
 

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That doesn't make sense to me. I would stay at OL over either of those clubs. Whichever club is getting him, Real Betis or Sevilla, I will be saddened to see the Fekir saga officially come to a close without him a Liverpool player. Just doesn't seem right (to me) for some reason.
 

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It was never about money in the end. We have avoided huge problems with this one. I'm glad.
Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion but could you elaborate further on yours. What huge problems do you believe we avoided by not signing Fekir? I am asking genuinely because I am probably on the polar opposite of that spectrum. And again, I ask because I'm genuinely interested.
 

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Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion but could you elaborate further on yours. What huge problems do you believe we avoided by not signing Fekir? I am asking genuinely because I am probably on the polar opposite of that spectrum. And again, I ask because I'm genuinely interested.
I guess we’ll see over the next couple of year what happens to his knee, and whether Liverpool were right to swerve it.
 

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Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion but could you elaborate further on yours. What huge problems do you believe we avoided by not signing Fekir? I am asking genuinely because I am probably on the polar opposite of that spectrum. And again, I ask because I'm genuinely interested.
After his ACL rupture in 2016, his cartilage will worn out pretty fast and his knee will never be the same anymore, he has to do special training to build muscles on his leg and it's very difficult after an ACL rupture.. it's a mess. He has a timer in his football carreer (high level football) that is much faster than other players. I've seen lots of good players with this problem never coming back in full force.

We already have Lallana and Ox with problems. I wouldn't like having another AM with the same issue. We have money, Fékir is a good player but he isn't amazing, it's not worth it not even for free, imo. It would be much better looking for a better player, a more reliable one. It's not like Fékir is the only one in the world.
 

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After his ACL rupture in 2016, his cartilage will worn out pretty fast and his knee will never be the same anymore, he has to do special training to build muscles on his leg and it's very difficult after an ACL rupture.. it's a mess. He has a timer in his football carreer (high level football) that is much faster than other players. I've seen lots of good players with this problem never coming back in full force.

We already have Lallana and Ox with problems. I wouldn't like having another AM with the same issue. We have money, Fékir is a good player but he isn't amazing, it's not worth it not even for free, imo. It would be much better looking for a better player, a more reliable one. It's not like Fékir is the only one in the world.
I think he was a target whilst we assessed if Oxlade would recover, and if he did Lallana would leave he following summer.
 

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I think he was a target whilst we assessed if Oxlade would recover, and if he did Lallana would leave he following summer.
Ox had similar issues before he joined us didnt he? We already knew of his injury problems when we were negotiating with Lyon, it just wasnt made public. So withdrawing from the deal for Fekir after pushing hard to get the deal done makes no sense.

The only thing that makes sense is that something came up in the medical which required a further look and then left us in no doubt the condition of the knee was much worse than we had been led to believe. The fact that neither ourselves or any other top tier club came back in for him that summer, or this one would support that as being the most likely scenario.
 

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After his ACL rupture in 2016, his cartilage will worn out pretty fast and his knee will never be the same anymore, he has to do special training to build muscles on his leg and it's very difficult after an ACL rupture.. it's a mess. He has a timer in his football carreer (high level football) that is much faster than other players. I've seen lots of good players with this problem never coming back in full force.

We already have Lallana and Ox with problems. I wouldn't like having another AM with the same issue. We have money, Fékir is a good player but he isn't amazing, it's not worth it not even for free, imo. It would be much better looking for a better player, a more reliable one. It's not like Fékir is the only one in the world.
I didn't know Lallana had an ACL when was that?
You did miss out Gomez' potential knee problems. :-)
I think your assumtions over Fékirs knee are out of order. Special training isn't at all extraordinary in modern professional football many players have individual physical training sesssions. After an ACL leg muscle strengthening can go on for quite a long time after.
I'm just wondering if you think we should look at selling Domez and AOC in the near future?
 

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No top team seems to want to move for a player at €30 million that used to be rated at close to €60 million. In fact no good or even decent teams are seemingly willing to take the risk. All due respect to Real Betis but if they're the best team willing to take the risk with him then it says a hell of a lot for me. We will see if this is the true situation but it's looking like we were being careful (and with very very good reason) last summer.
 

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I didn't know Lallana had an ACL when was that?
You did miss out Gomez' potential knee problems. :-)
I think your assumtions over Fékirs knee are out of order. Special training isn't at all extraordinary in modern professional football many players have individual physical training sesssions. After an ACL leg muscle strengthening can go on for quite a long time after.
I'm just wondering if you think we should look at selling Domez and AOC in the near future?
If the car you own develops a fault you work on it, pay to get it up to speed. Especially if it's a fucking brilliant car except the faulty part. That's a lot different than forking out on a brand new car that you know will definitely develop that fault. Especially when you can buy a different car, just as good, similar money, without a strong likelihood of developing the fault.
 

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I guess we’ll see over the next couple of year what happens to his knee, and whether Liverpool were right to swerve it.
I agree Mascot, it will be interesting to watch his career in the next phase. I wish him nothing but top level success.

After his ACL rupture in 2016, his cartilage will worn out pretty fast and his knee will never be the same anymore, he has to do special training to build muscles on his leg and it's very difficult after an ACL rupture.. it's a mess. He has a timer in his football carreer (high level football) that is much faster than other players. I've seen lots of good players with this problem never coming back in full force.

We already have Lallana and Ox with problems. I wouldn't like having another AM with the same issue. We have money, Fékir is a good player but he isn't amazing, it's not worth it not even for free, imo. It would be much better looking for a better player, a more reliable one. It's not like Fékir is the only one in the world.
I respect your opinion. However, I believe much of this is overstated. Everything written here, just change the name and the exact same could be said about a number of players in our own squad.

No top team seems to want to move for a player at €30 million that used to be rated at close to €60 million. In fact no good or even decent teams are seemingly willing to take the risk. All due respect to Real Betis but if they're the best team willing to take the risk with him then it says a hell of a lot for me. We will see if this is the true situation but it's looking like we were being careful (and with very very good reason) last summer.
Yes and no. I don't necessarily disagree with you but the player also has a say, and holds the biggest hammer. We don't know how it's going behind the scenes. By all available information, the player was never the same after the bizarre turn of events with LFC. Other PL clubs possibly could have courted him and he could have possibly just said NO, If I am coming to England it's only for Liverpool. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen a player take a one club stance.

EDIT: And if that Real Betis link is real, he must REALLY hate life at OL. That is a very strange choice of a club.
 

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And for the record, yes I very much agree there are other players in the world just as good that the club could target. Our future success is not depending on whether or not we sign Nabil Fekir. My posts and my opinions are very much in a vacuum. I was excited to have this player in our side and to have Jürgen work with him. My heart goes out to the young man.
 

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Yes and no. I don't necessarily disagree with you but the player also has a say, and holds the biggest hammer. We don't know how it's going behind the scenes. By all available information, the player was never the same after the bizarre turn of events with LFC. Other PL clubs possibly could have courted him and he could have possibly just said NO, If I am coming to England it's only for Liverpool. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen a player take a one club stance.

EDIT: And if that Real Betis link is real, he must REALLY hate life at OL. That is a very strange choice of a club.
Yes and no. If it really is happening (the Real Betis sale) he knows the dream of coming to us is over. Pretty sure most or all the Prem teams would be able to outbid them on fees and/or wages. Even if he has some strange loyalty to us there are much better (and much richer) teams in Spain, Italy, France, Germany and elsewhere. It isn't Premier League or Real Betis.
 

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If the car you own develops a fault you work on it, pay to get it up to speed. Especially if it's a fucking brilliant car except the faulty part. That's a lot different than forking out on a brand new car that you know will definitely develop that fault. Especially when you can buy a different car, just as good, similar money, without a strong likelihood of developing the fault.
What has that got to do with what I asked? :eh?:
 

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Perhaps the difference between Lallana and Fekir fitness wise is that a medical assessment hasn’t revealed Lalla’s knee is about to pop?

Pointing to how much each has played over the last year is redundant, if the reason for swerving Fekir is something in his future, rather than his past.
Unless I’m very much mistaken, no medical can reveal that any joint is about to pop. If it’s functionig fine now, who’s to say it’s going to go bang tomorrow?
 



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What has that got to do with what I asked? :eh?:
You literally asked if not buying Fekir means that we should sell Gomez and Ox. We already own them, they do fantastic for us when available. Just because we've decided not to spend a lot of money to take on a player with a similar issue doesn't mean we should cast off what we have. That's why I pointed out you wouldn't act that way over cars. Or anything really. If you have something great that has an annoying fault you try to get it fixed. But you don't go spend a lot of money on something new that already has that fault just because there is a chance it too may be great. You go buy another new one without the fault and save yourself the future hassle.
 

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EDIT: And if that Real Betis link is real, he must REALLY hate life at OL. That is a very strange choice of a club.
More of him burning his bridges after being denied the move to Liverpool. OL have hawked him to everyone this transfer windows, Liverpool werent biting, They've even offered him to Arsenal. Club like Arsenal would probably have rated Fekir as a better option than Ozil etc but they didn't make a move.
Don't blame fekir one bit but if most of the clubs feel that he's on a short lifespan, Betis(with all due respect) is probably one of the better options. There might also have been a concern on whether he could handle the physicality of the english league. It's one thing handling it in one match for the UEFA CL's where you'll meet teams which want to play football. How will his leg hold up to defenders taking a kick at him ?
 

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Yes and no. I don't necessarily disagree with you but the player also has a say, and holds the biggest hammer. We don't know how it's going behind the scenes. By all available information, the player was never the same after the bizarre turn of events with LFC. Other PL clubs possibly could have courted him and he could have possibly just said NO, If I am coming to England it's only for Liverpool. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen a player take a one club stance.

EDIT: And if that Real Betis link is real, he must REALLY hate life at OL. That is a very strange choice of a club.
People forget that he legitimately had his goodbye with the fans at the end of the previous season. He'd made his mind up, been given the necessary assurances by Aulas and then gone through the emotional process of preparing to leave, only to end up still there in August. From our perspective, Lyon is a much better club and place to be than Betis, but I can understand the thought that once you have emotionally checked out of something that you need to just move on. Its just a damn shame that a player of that undoubted quality doesnt have more suitors.
 

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I guess we’ll see over the next couple of year what happens to his knee, and whether Liverpool were right to swerve it.
More of him burning his bridges after being denied the move to Liverpool. OL have hawked him to everyone this transfer windows, Liverpool werent biting, They've even offered him to Arsenal. Club like Arsenal would probably have rated Fekir as a better option than Ozil etc but they didn't make a move.
Don't blame fekir one bit but if most of the clubs feel that he's on a short lifespan, Betis(with all due respect) is probably one of the better options. There might also have been a concern on whether he could handle the physicality of the english league. It's one thing handling it in one match for the UEFA CL's where you'll meet teams which want to play football. How will his leg hold up to defenders taking a kick at him ?
Sorry for using your post in reply, but...
- We rant or rave-one can use whichever word one chooses, about our, non plus ultra algorhytm in detecting the physical capabilities of any player we set our aim at. To say that the PL could be chalenging for him, does not stand a ground, if our guys are to be believed. We wanted to sign him, because, he could !...Of course there are other parameters also...
- The traditional thinking about the healing of the tissue, after ACL i dubious, or can be contested, it even seems obsolete... There are quite a few reputable cliniques that exercise the use of stem cells...There is one that's used for ACL...It's called; - The Regenexx stem cell procedure.
The debate can go pro, or contra...but, anyone, just find it...Mel Gibson talking about his now 100 y. old father, after the adult stem cell tretment - Joe Rogan podcast
- Not to say, there are other treatments...
We debate 137 pages, and I think we go on, because we are still at least a bit bafled, because we trusted the judgement of LFC, and wanted him signed !
Lot has been written "out there" also, with lots of conflicting, generaly superficial, "partisan" arguments.
All the best :well done:
PS. In two years time, we may "lend on the moon" - figuratively speaking:-)
 

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You literally asked if not buying Fekir means that we should sell Gomez and Ox. We already own them, they do fantastic for us when available. Just because we've decided not to spend a lot of money to take on a player with a similar issue doesn't mean we should cast off what we have. That's why I pointed out you wouldn't act that way over cars. Or anything really. If you have something great that has an annoying fault you try to get it fixed. But you don't go spend a lot of money on something new that already has that fault just because there is a chance it too may be great. You go buy another new one without the fault and save yourself the future hassle.
That's not what I said or asked!
Just answer the question!