Nathaniel Clyne - Welcome to Liverpool

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DanLFC

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I said he probably won't end up being much better than Manquillo.

And I stand by that as well, I liked Manquillo and think he's easily better than the other young fullbacks we have at the club. His stats per game were better than Clyne's as well, a smallish sample though admittedly.

That isn't a harsh assessment as I rate Manquillo highly. I'm not a particularly negative poster so this isn't a case of 'never being pleased', that's my opinion.
If 10 games is enough of a sample for you to arrive at that conclusion then fair enough. Meanwhile Clyne is already a starter in the Premier League and amongst the best at his position and a full International. Think Manquillo has along way to go to approach that level and tbh I doubt he will get there. He had a huge chance last season we really struggled at RB and even with him being a specialist defender Brendan still opted to play just about anyone infront of Manquillo.
 

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If 10 games is enough of a sample for you to arrive at that conclusion then fair enough. Meanwhile Clyne is already a starter in the Premier League and amongst the best at his position and a full International. Think Manquillo has along way to go to approach that level and tbh I doubt he will get there. He had a huge chance last season we really struggled at RB and even with him being a specialist defender Brendan still opted to play just about anyone infront of Manquillo.
Yeah, I'm not arsed about any of that. I watched Manquillo play plenty enough to think he is a good footballer, very obviously a better defender than Moreno, Flanagan etc. The stats reflect that as well.

That's my opinion, I'm not bothered if you agree or not. What my post was not, however, was a 'harsh assessment', which is what you hysterically called it.
 

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frankly I wont be pleased till those in charge stop seeing 6th place as good enough and being shit in europe as normal

This signing is though yes, boring, but yes, necessary as well. Wont be the brilliant goalscorer we still need to replace but for his role hes a steady long term choice
This is a thread to welcome a new player to the club and you've still found. way to talk him down and complain about the club. The guy is a RB not a striker but he is required no less and it is a position we needed to reinforce and the club has got just about the best possible quality of player anyone could have hoped us to sign a player most expected to go to United.

Frankly if that doesn't satisfy you nothing will but we know that already anyway don't we.
 

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Yeah, I'm not arsed about any of that. I watched Manquillo play plenty enough to think he is a good footballer, very obviously a better defender than Moreno, Flanagan etc. The stats reflect that as well.

That's my opinion, I'm not bothered if you agree or not. What my post was not, however, was a 'harsh assessment', which is what you hysterically called it.
The only hysterical thing I can find is someone rating a player on 10 games most of which we lost and conceded goals in ultimately leading to said player being dropped from the squad and the club then recruiting the position the following Summer whilst also resigning a youth player who will also be infront of said rated player.

I may have misunderstood your initial comments thinking you where rating him like for like with Manquillo not in terms of long term development but like you I stand by my oppion that Manquillo isn't approaching anything like the ability Clyne has and I find it hard to understand how 10 games where we played and defended poorly could be enough to rate a player so highly.
 

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This is a thread to welcome a new player to the club and you've still found. way to talk him down and complain about the club. The guy is a RB not a striker but he is required no less and it is a position we needed to reinforce and the club has got just about the best possible quality of player anyone could have hoped us to sign a player most expected to go to United.

Frankly if that doesn't satisfy you nothing will but we know that already anyway don't we.
Take everything too seriously and being over sensitive once again

Ultimately though, his effectiveness or otherwise will also be determined by the quality of management/coaching he will receive. For defenders, lets say it maybe isnt or hasnt been optimum for many of them

Its not talking him down at all. Hes a decent young player. the idea behind this one I have said there is no issue. in any case ts not for you to dictate what we can and cant talk about in here as regards the player, the strategy, the jigsaw of the window etc, as he doesnt yet have a thread in the player forum. Though I think that despite my open and unhidden reservations about the coaching set up, and though he might find it trickier here than at southampton where they have a better structure to their side and set up (undermined inevitably by an aggressive sales policy), I think he will do a good steady job in the main and in the long run, though its a position where influence in terms of winning matches is maybe less determining than others may be. Yet still one that did need attention
 
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Brendan still opted to play just about anyone infront of Manquillo.
That's more to do with Rodgers not having much of a clue when it comes to defensive coaching than it is Manquillo not being good enough.
Or, maybe the rumours of a fall out had some substance.
 

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You've got their positions the wrong way round pal!
It's going to be this season's new trend. A few years back we'd the inverted wingers. Now we're going with the inverted full backs. :)

Seriusly though I'm delighted with this signing. Along with Shaw he is the person I wish we'd bought from Southampton last year (it actually went in order of Shaw [only as we needed a left back more than a right back last year], Clyne, Schneiderlin, Waynama, Ward Prowse, then probably Lallana). I think Clyne's easily been one of the best right backs in the league for the past few seasons and was convinced he was going to end up at United, which I wasn't happy at all about.

Could be our long term answer at right back. I personally would be happy if Hodgson kept playing other people ahead of him for England but then I'd rather none of our players had to suffer him and his antiquated training systems. Great to see him finally signed.
 

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That's more to do with Rodgers not having much of a clue when it comes to defensive coaching than it is Manquillo not being good enough.
Or, maybe the rumours of a fall out had some substance.
Didnt think manquillo was a bad player either come to that

But Clyne is also capable enough, got the pace to get up and down and knows his defensive game so we shouldnt be losing out. Even if Manquillo might have himself a bit
 

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Good fullbacks are what Joni Mitchell was writing about - you have a good one and you don;t know what you've got 'till it's gone. They paved paradise and now you've got Glen Johnson playing RB.


No one gets excited when you buy a good one and they are rarely credited as having good games, but you notice it when someone else has to step up and fill in for him.
 

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Take everything too seriously and being over sensitive once again
I take everything to seriously That's rich no pun intended I'm not the one who writes an essay every time someone at the club takes a shit or the tea lady changes biscuits.

Maybe take your own advice
 

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I take everything to seriously That's rich no pun intended I'm not the one who writes an essay every time someone at the club takes a shit or the tea lady changes biscuits.

Maybe take your own advice
its called discussion.

Like I said, over sensitive
 

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This is a thread to welcome a new player to the club and you've still found. way to talk him down and complain about the club. The guy is a RB not a striker but he is required no less and it is a position we needed to reinforce and the club has got just about the best possible quality of player anyone could have hoped us to sign a player most expected to go to United.

Frankly if that doesn't satisfy you nothing will but we know that already anyway don't we.
There is no need to defend RichLFC.

But what he wrote in this thread gave me the impression he is almost overjoyed this time, compared to what he normally says when we sign english/briish players.

That's how he rolls and shouldn't bother you.
He also would be a bit disappointed and not fully satisified if we would manage to sign harry kane for 10m and 80k/week this summer.
Because we should have gone after lacazette e.g. to show some ambition.
 

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There is no need to defend RichLFC.

But what he wrote in this thread gave me the impression he is almost overjoyed this time, compared to what he normally says when we sign english/briish players.

That's how he rolls and shouldn't bother you.
He also would be a bit disappointed and not fully satisified if we would manage to sign harry kane for 10m and 80k/week this summer.
Because we should have gone after lacazette e.g. to show some ambition.
nearly all of them end up not good enough. Not all of them, but nearly all of them. They don't have the quality and/or the mentality to handle it here

Contrast it with the uk players though we bring through the ranks, where they are generally better equipped, more particularly with the latter requirements. I think you need to get them young generally

I think though here, and maybe in the defensive positions in particular, the situation is a little bit different. In part due to it being a problem for a long time, but also we need someone with the athleticism and defensive ability to do a reliable job. main weakness is he is not great in the air, but has a solid all round game, and after some of the weird players we have had on the flanks, that will be a nice change. So its satisfactory in this area
 

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Whose they?
I don't think it happened this time.
Milner already has proven he is good enough.
He certainly has the quality and an uber-mentality/attitude in my opinion.
Clyne has shown over the past two seasons he has the quality.
Does he have the mentality? Why not.

I still believe lallana could be good enough to become a starter if he stays fit and improves his stamina.
 

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Whose they?
I don't think it happened this time.
Milner already has proven he is good enough.
He certainly has the quality and an uber-mentality/attitude in my opinion.
Clyne has shown over the past two seasons he has the quality.
Does he have the mentality? Why not.

I still believe lallana could be good enough to become a starter if he stays fit and improves his stamina.
I think Milner will be ok mentally, played for a successful club already. That does help. The main reservation there is that I think hes average in the CM area, and is not a first choice there for England partly as a consequence, but seems to be the role that he specified when coming here. On the flanks I think hes a decent footballer with a good engine, but I would be wary of playing him too close to Henderson.

As for Clyne I think he should be ok, as he is in a position where he can keep it simple. If he can defend, then that will be far better than what we have had there, though I thought Manquillo could yet rarely played. But that shouldnt be an issue with Clyne

With lallana and others, I feel there the onus is rather greater, you have to show the capacity to be consistent in performances and numbers, as well as fitness. Thats been often a problem. And next year especially if sterling doesnt go (which is still very possible I feel) he will be finding it tough going to knock out him, coutinho and firminho the new boy signed at some expense. And he has made some comments which showed the sort of overwhelming feeling a lot of those players get when they come here, 'its what it must be like playing for Man u and chelsea' etc. Especially for those over 25 they haven't been able to get used to the idea that you are required to perform week in week out. Henderson said similar and took 2 seasons to get used to it, and many others never do. And unfortunately the number of high class players and role models they can learn from have declined here in recent seasons r.e. examples of a winning mentality that can rub off on them

I think though with defenders, with more simple, less creative roles, it is a bit easier for them, though as said the manager's hitherto poor defensive instincts might take a bit of getting used to as compared with koeman and pocchetino and southampton's two DM set up
 

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It's called narcissism

Like I said, impossible to please
Never mind, cant be arsed arguing with no marks. Back on ignore you go

Not you Raoul btw. I like our discussions, though we dont always agree.
 
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I can't the remember the last time milner has played CM on a regular basis.
Therefore I won't judge him yet if he can do it.
He is good enough for the wing for sure.

The main reason he hardly starts for england is the manager in my opinion.
 

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I don't think the issue is with Milner per se. The issue is perhaps more one of Milner + Henderson playing at the same time.
 

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I can't the remember the last time milner has played CM on a regular basis.
Therefore I won't judge him yet if he can do it.
He is good enough for the wing for sure.

The main reason he hardly starts for england is the manager in my opinion.
Not too sure really, i think hes one of those unlucky players that is seen as a bit of a jack of all trades man. Though I would have him starting games over the likes of Townsend etc. But probably not Sterling as a wider option

In the central areas though henderson is ahead of him, but think them as a 2 would be too similar and there are more suitable options i.e. wilshere and/or carrick.

Strong suggestions from good sources though that he wants the CM role and we agreed to it. I guess as a 3 man in a 4-3-3 with someone in between him and Henderson, could be the plan, though not sure either allen or lucas are quite up to a full season there. Can? Maybe. Guess we will see. Still a bit short technically maybe but is at least a bit beefier

Clyne of course is far simpler. He goes straight in as starting RB with Wisdom and maybe Flanagan if his knee ever recovers as cover. Simple and straightforward. Which is a reason why I am happy enough to go with this one
 

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It was the season before Citeh bought him. It was the season before the 2010 world cup, where Capello was still strongly in favour of the repeatedly failed Gerrard/Lampard axis and there was a growing support for it be broken up by Milner. He played well enough for Citeh to buy him, yet when Capelo wanted to try something else in the middle he instead turned to Barry (the guy Milner had replaced and improved upon in the Villa midfield) and played Milner out wide, and Citeh then played him in a role other than the one in which his performances encouraged them to buy him in first place.

It's textbook Milner. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he actually goes by "Phil", but every time he tells someone that they say "oh, ok James" and Philly Milner then just shrugs acceptingly.
 
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Can't wait until Milner and Henderson pair in midfield, then score 15 goals each in the season and Rich and ChicagoRed's heads fall off, then Clyne solves our RB problem for the next 8 years ;)
 

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The right kind of signing and shows intent and nous on the behalf of the club. Welcome Nathaniel!
 

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Perfect replacement for Glen, with the added bonus of defensive, passing, shooting and dribbling ability.
 

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Feel a bit sorry for Clyne, been with LFC for 5 years exactly and left on a whimper with barely anyone noticing he's left. I know he should have gone a year ago but for that injury, all the same, I hope the club gave him a decent farewell.

Anyone know where he's gone?
 

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Has he joined any club yet? Decent player, would be good for any mid table clubs.
 
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