Ozan Kabak (CB) Schalke 04

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Its the same with a lot of stats to be honest, they are only a base indicator and shouldn't be read too much into but at least give you a slight indication of a players level.

Assists is another one, sometime it is the pass before the Assist that is the key pass in a goal, yet get no recognition. Someone brought that up when it transpired Gini recorded zero assists this season, but how many times will he have played in Robbo or Trent, breaking the trap with a pass only to get no recognised reward for it.

Thankfully with Klopp and his team these efforts are seen are praised internally I have no doubt
I was thinking about this during the Newcastle game. Ox's worked hard to create that first goal, driving into position, then hitting a beautiful ball to Virgil, who delivered a great header. But compare that with the following two goals Origi, and Mane basically did all the work to create and score those goals by cutting past the defenders and curling the ball into the goal.
 

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I was thinking about this during the Newcastle game. Ox's worked hard to create that first goal, driving into position, then hitting a beautiful ball to Virgil, who delivered a great header. But compare that with the following two goals Origi, and Mane basically did all the work to create and score those goals by cutting past the defenders and curling the ball into the goal.
Have you seen Son's goal of the season.

Someone got an assist for that ha ha
 

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Its the same with a lot of stats to be honest, they are only a base indicator and shouldn't be read too much into but at least give you a slight indication of a players level.

Assists is another one, sometime it is the pass before the Assist that is the key pass in a goal, yet get no recognition. Someone brought that up when it transpired Gini recorded zero assists this season, but how many times will he have played in Robbo or Trent, breaking the trap with a pass only to get no recognised reward for it.

Thankfully with Klopp and his team these efforts are seen are praised internally I have no doubt
Concerning this, I would just quickly like to make the point that more advanced (professional) level analytics do have metrics that assess the expected goals of possession chains involving a player (i.e., if Gini is part of a passing sequence, what is the likelihood that it results in a goal).

And if that kind of information is being worked on by psudeo-public sites like StatsBomb, the stuff that our in-house PhD-in-astrophysics guys are doing probably leaves that in the dust. All this to say that LFC should have data on this stuff beyond the eye test. (y)
 

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I think the only way the Matip vs Gomez gets settled is if we lose Virgil for a run of games and they have each other to rely on rather than the best centre back in the world.

I for one would be very happy if this debate runs on forever.
 

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I think the only way the Matip vs Gomez gets settled is if we lose Virgil for a run of games and they have each other to rely on rather than the best centre back in the world.

I for one would be very happy if this debate runs on forever.
Its nice to debate which top class CB is better. It makes a refreshing change from which disappointing CB is least disappointing.
 

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So, this Turkish kid or that Algerian lad???
If PSG are buying Matip for £50m both for roughly £30m profit on them two coming in Matip and Lovren going out. And if one of them struggles to settle we still have Fabinho who can step back into CB if needed.
 

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Not sure I'd be comfortable losing two of our centre backs in the same window.
As bad as it sounds the football economy and individual club finances probably need the immediate injection that sold players show up as to recover from the coronavirus effects. Bought players are spread throughout the contract, sold players show at point of sale, I wouldn't be surprised to see clubs doing a lot more sales than usual. Especially a club like us with a lot of our squad players able to be replaced by academy graduates and with lots of unneeded loaned players on the books.
 

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For 50mil, they can have Mandi after we buy him for 9mil.

You do have to pay a premium for players coming through the English and European champions.
 

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PSG apparently interested at that price, but I can’t see it personally. I mean, Edwards is good, but he’s not actually magic.
Can see Matip doing well at PSG and, separately, can see them being willing to spend that much on a defender. If they are stupid enough to put those together and pay us 50m pounds for Joel then we'd have to let him go. It's possible he wouldn't get injured as much in Ligue 1 and work out well for them, stranger things have happened.