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Another aspect is a midfielder can cover for a forward/ defensive position. And most of our midfielders can either play further forward or cover for the back line as emergency option.
Milner - FB and as AM if we play 2 forwards
Fabinho - FB/ CB
Gini - CF/ CB although only a game or so. Attacking midfielder if we play 2 Forwards
Hendo - can play behind as RB, and as AM if we play 2 Forwards
Keita - LF
Ox - RF/ LF

We however can never play Salah, Mane or Origi in any of the positions other than front 3.

So IMO a player in mould of Coutinho could definitely be considered ( I am considering him more of a MF than an attacker for fourth option) but a fourth attacker in mould of Mane or so is difficult option to add.
Mane, Firmino or Salah could play AM in a 4231 or as a ten in a 2-1 three man midfield or tip of diamond in 442. They're not likely too mostly because we dont have enough forwards.
 


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Keeper is completely different than outfield as you dont rotate your keeper and you never play with more than one despite tactical challenges. Mignolet was still happily contributing to the squad for 18 months. Lovren is fourth choice for two positions, yet again you can argue he has been that for the last season too. But the fourth choice for 2 positions is not the equivalent for the fourth choice for three positions. Especially when you take into account the traditional level of rotation and substitutes used in attack versus defence. Even Rafa and Ranieri dont rotate/tinker much with their back 4s. They do their attacks though. Everyone does even Klopp when he has decent options like at Dortmund and till Coutinho left. Nobody is saying that we want a pool of six rotating players. But in CM we have five who it's a bit unclear who are the starters. By most counts and understandings Wijnaldum would be 5th choice but he plays the most because of his versatility. In attack it would probably be similar with Mane. A strong LF comes in and you could argue the new guy, Firmino and Salah are our "starting" front three. But Mane covering all three positions might well end up playing more than any of them. Are you trying to say Mane would then be looking to move on? Despite being the forward who plays the most? Is Wijnaldum looking to move on just because on paper Fabingo (DM), Henderson (Captain) and Ox/Keita (AM) are ahead of him in the pecking order? Despite the fact Gini plays more than them all?
But we're not talking about a player who is better than Mané which is why they would be a sub/rotation option and shouldn't be payed £200k+ a week for that role.
 

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But we're not talking about a player who is better than Mané which is why they would be a sub/rotation option and shouldn't be payed £200k+ a week for that role.
Why do they need to be better than Mane and why do they need to be paid £200k+ a week? Was Salah "better than Mane" when we signed him? Was he on £200k+ a week when we signed him? Was Mane? If we bring in a strong LF option and Mane still ends up playing (across LF, RF and CF) more than the new guy then why would the new guy have to be better or better paid than Mane? Do you think Wijnaldum is our "best" CM or best paid? Hes our most used for two seasons. Do you think Fabinho is? Hes the only CM with a guaranteed position assigned to him above anyone else when hes available for it, everyone else is competing for the other positions. But it isn't categoric that Fabinho is better than everyone else and I dont think he is paid more than anyone else either.
 

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Why do they need to be better than Mane and why do they need to be paid £200k+ a week? Was Salah "better than Mane" when we signed him? Was he on £200k+ a week when we signed him? Was Mane? If we bring in a strong LF option and Mane still ends up playing (across LF, RF and CF) more than the new guy then why would the new guy have to be better or better paid than Mane? Do you think Wijnaldum is our "best" CM or best paid? Hes our most used for two seasons. Do you think Fabinho is? Hes the only CM with a guaranteed position assigned to him above anyone else when hes available for it, everyone else is competing for the other positions. But it isn't categoric that Fabinho is better than everyone else and I dont think he is paid more than anyone else either.
You just said they would take Manés place on the left. Why would that happen if they were not better than Mané?

Why 200k? Because this is the Coutinho thread and that's how much he is paid and the discussion was about paying Coutinho £200k to be a sub/rotation player.

If you're saying he's would have taken Mané's place on the left, that's incorrect. If you're saying he would be a sub/rotation player for Mané then fine, but 200k would be too much for that sort of player which is all anybody was ever saying.
 



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But why? Why can we accommodate 5/6 "starters" in 3 CM spots but we are limited to 3 "starters" in attack? None of the "starters" in CM are being underplayed, we were only missing one through injury.
Because quite simply we have no one in midfield who is as individually good as any of the front 3 are. You may have your own preferred line up for the midfield, but none of them, not even Fab yet, are as close to undroppable as Mane, Mo and Bobby are. You are drawing comparisons between groups of players who are not comparable.
 

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Because quite simply we have no one in midfield who is as individually good as any of the front 3 are. You may have your own preferred line up for the midfield, but none of them, not even Fab yet, are as close to undroppable as Mane, Mo and Bobby are. You are drawing comparisons between groups of players who are not comparable.
It's also worth noting that our front 3 are proabably man for man in the top 3 in their respective position in the world... The drop off to anyone else, new player or not will always be big. It's also near impossible to get someone who is happy to know they are 100% a back up player - It's probably why we kept Origi.

So ultimately to get a back up for our front 3 I think you have 2 options;

1) Pay them an outrageous salary (circ. £200k)
2) Have a bigger drop in quality but pay them a normal rotation salary (circ. £60k)

The two are basically directly linked, the better you want/need your backup to be the more you pay, which then will hit diminishing returns on investment (unless you have a bottomless pit of money) and start to impact on improvements elsewhere).

It's why our rotation options are flexible players and outstanding youth prospects.
 
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You just said they would take Manés place on the left. Why would that happen if they were not better than Mané?

Why 200k? Because this is the Coutinho thread and that's how much he is paid and the discussion was about paying Coutinho £200k to be a sub/rotation player.

If you're saying he's would have taken Mané's place on the left, that's incorrect. If you're saying he would be a sub/rotation player for Mané then fine, but 200k would be too much for that sort of player which is all anybody was ever saying.
1st I also said Mane (who would play all 3 positions) may well end up being the forward who plays the most out of all 4 forwards! How can someone who plays less be taking Manes place in the side? Why would either of them be a sub/rotation player if both play a full time equivalent game time?

2nd What do you define a sub/rotation player? Was Henderson a sub/rotation player last season? He played the fourth most in our CM.

3rd I've been asking why there isn't enough room for a 4th forward. I've never suggested we should bring Coutinho back or suggested what that 4th attacker should be paid.
 

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Because quite simply we have no one in midfield who is as individually good as any of the front 3 are. You may have your own preferred line up for the midfield, but none of them, not even Fab yet, are as close to undroppable as Mane, Mo and Bobby are. You are drawing comparisons between groups of players who are not comparable.
If our midfield was Fabinho, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Spearing, Rossiter and Pacheco do you think the first three would become undroppable? It's not how good the "starters" are that makes them undroppable it's how close to them the back ups are/aren't that makes them undroppable. Quite simply Fabinho, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Keita and Ox can all be argued for as to what is the best 3 man line up and who should be starting. Milner and Lallana (when fit) aren't a million miles off the same levels. Yes Salah, Mane and Firmino are all great players but the problem is they can't play every game in a 60+ game season. Especially not when they seem to play every summer. If they were starting around 40 each there would still be well over 60 starts available for other forwards. We have the playing time for another comparable level forward within the squad.
 

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1st I also said Mane (who would play all 3 positions) may well end up being the forward who plays the most out of all 4 forwards! How can someone who plays less be taking Manes place in the side? Why would either of them be a sub/rotation player if both play a full time equivalent game time?

2nd What do you define a sub/rotation player? Was Henderson a sub/rotation player last season? He played the fourth most in our CM.

3rd I've been asking why there isn't enough room for a 4th forward. I've never suggested we should bring Coutinho back or suggested what that 4th attacker should be paid.
If Everyone is fit and you aren't playing Mané on the left, then he has by definition become the sub/rotataion player. If Mané is on the left then the new player is the sub/rotation player.

A sub/rotation player is somebody who doesn't make the starting line-up when you have every player available to you.

You replied directly in the Coutinho thread when somebody suggested that Coutinho would have too high a wage for being a sub/rotation player.

Absolutely nobody is saying there isn't room.for a fourth attacker (who would be a sub/rotation player) but either Klopp is happy with Origi as that player or there was not an option that made sense as that player this year (not Coutinho,.not Demebele).

Perhaps next year we bring in Sancho and he becomes that player, but he would be brought in as a younger prospect sub/rotation player who is capable of forcing his way into the first 11 eventually.
 



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If our midfield was Fabinho, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Spearing, Rossiter and Pacheco do you think the first three would become undroppable? It's not how good the "starters" are that makes them undroppable it's how close to them the back ups are/aren't that makes them undroppable. Quite simply Fabinho, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Keita and Ox can all be argued for as to what is the best 3 man line up and who should be starting. Milner and Lallana (when fit) aren't a million miles off the same levels. Yes Salah, Mane and Firmino are all great players but the problem is they can't play every game in a 60+ game season. Especially not when they seem to play every summer. If they were starting around 40 each there would still be well over 60 starts available for other forwards. We have the playing time for another comparable level forward within the squad.
Yes, if we are able to get Messi then he is likely to get lots of games. Well played.

All of the above is a diversion that ignores the main point. All of the front 3 are among the best handful of players in the world in their position. As good a unit as our midfield is, and as much as I like all of the players we have to choose from, that cannot be said about any of them. That means the difference in switching from one of the CMs to another in any given game is negligible and it facilities rotation. Can that cannot be achieved up frnt without bringing in an MBappe type talent.

So, if you want someone who is just a squad option then 1) we already have those players, and 2) they are unlikely to play that much because of the differential between them and the Ballon D'Or quality players already at the club in that position. The alternative is to get a player who genuinely can compete and I hope you appreciate the difficulty in landing that player.
 
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This again comes down to conflating numbers with quality. The fact that when we say "our front 3" we all know precisely who we're talking about but we can't say the same about "our midfield 3" is precisely the problem in easily being able to bring in quality reinforcements to our front 3.

As has been said above not one of our midfielders (Fabinho getting close) can lay claim to being of the level of each of our three forward players. I would say it is relatively straightforward, in those circumstances, to bring in a quality CM/AM that is better. I say relatively because it goes without saying that the numbers of forwards who are better than our front 3 is a lot less than the number of CMs/AMs that are better than our midfield options. We'd still need to be paying a high fee and high wages because to be better than our current midfielders you're looking in the world class (or potentially world class) bracket.

Imagine if we didn't have Mane at the club and were playing Origi there on a regular basis. Someone like Mane would be much easier to sign in those circumstances. Would Mane come here if someone as good as him was already the incumbent? I doubt it. I think there are only three ways we get someone of that quality in; a) if it is in the form of potential; a youngster on the cusp of breaking through into the top quality bracket (in which case transfer fee is likely to be high but wages maybe not), b) if the player we're signing is better and confident of keeping out another world class player (eg Mbappe) in which case the fee is likely to be stratospheric as well as the wages, or c) if we're selling one of the front three so a space is opening up anyway.
 

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This again comes down to conflating numbers with quality. The fact that when we say "our front 3" we all know precisely who we're talking about but we can't say the same about "our midfield 3" is precisely the problem in easily being able to bring in quality reinforcements to our front 3.

As has been said above not one of our midfielders (Fabinho getting close) can lay claim to being of the level of each of our three forward players. I would say it is relatively straightforward, in those circumstances, to bring in a quality CM/AM that is better. I say relatively because it goes without saying that the numbers of forwards who are better than our front 3 is a lot less than the number of CMs/AMs that are better than our midfield options. We'd still need to be paying a high fee and high wages because to be better than our current midfielders you're looking in the world class (or potentially world class) bracket.

Imagine if we didn't have Mane at the club and were playing Origi there on a regular basis. Someone like Mane would be much easier to sign in those circumstances. Would Mane come here if someone as good as him was already the incumbent? I doubt it. I think there are only three ways we get someone of that quality in; a) if it is in the form of potential; a youngster on the cusp of breaking through into the top quality bracket (in which case transfer fee is likely to be high but wages maybe not), b) if the player we're signing is better and confident of keeping out another world class player (eg Mbappe) in which case the fee is likely to be stratospheric as well as the wages, or c) if we're selling one of the front three so a space is opening up anyway.
So we couldn't sign a player the equivalent of Salah? When we signed Salah we had as good or nearly as good a front 3. Firmino was Firmino. Mane was Mane. Coutinho was seen as our best player. We still signed Salah.
 

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Yes, if we are able to get Messi then he is likely to get lots of games. Well played.

All of the above is a diversion that ignores the main point. All of the front 3 are among the best handful of players in the world in their position. As good a unit as our midfield is, and as much as I like all of the players we have to choose from, that cannot be said about any of them. That means the difference in switching from one of the CMs to another in any given game is negligible and it facilities rotation. Can that cannot be achieved up frnt without bringing in an MBappe type talent.

So, if you want someone who is just a squad option then 1) we already have those players, and 2) they are unlikely to play that much because of the differential between them and the Ballon D'Or quality players already at the club in that position. The alternative is to get a player who genuinely can compete and I hope you appreciate the difficulty in landing that player.
Were any of Salah, Firmino or Mane Mbappe level talents before they started working with Klopp? Why do they have to be Mbappe style talents before the move? Or even after? With 60+ games (mostly in the league and CL) our front 3 aren't coming close to starting over 180 games between them. Last season they started 137 hardly getting a minutes rest and not missing any more than a match or two at any one time. Our back up forwards are going to play a lot this season or we are going to have to abandon our ridiculously successful 433 more often than we would like.
 

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So we couldn't sign a player the equivalent of Salah? When we signed Salah we had as good or nearly as good a front 3. Firmino was Firmino. Mane was Mane. Coutinho was seen as our best player. We still signed Salah.
None of them kept Salah out of the team. That's precisely the type of quality signing we can make - a player who's good enough to start ahead of what we have. In Salah's case he didn't displace any of the three players you mention - instead Klopp played Coutinho more withdrawn and then sold him. So yeah, if we're going for a player who's good enough to be a starter then yes, we can sign him...think I had that as option b) although you could argue that Salah was closer to option a). Salah has now become part of what we have.

Do you think we could sign 16/17 Salah now? How's he going to force his way into the team? Does Klopp drop Firmino back like he did with Coutinho?
 



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Our back up forwards are going to play a lot this season or we are going to have to abandon our ridiculously successful 433 more often than we would like.
Yes, which is what we've got Origi, Shaq, Brewster and some combination of other players already at the club for. If you want players who are already better than that you cannot sell it to them with "well, our Ballon D'or caliber forwards can't play every game so there will definitely be plenty of games for you." If you are content to accept players not yet at that level but who Klopp thinks has the ability to grow into the role and contribute then let me introduce you to Messrs Origi, Shaqiri and Brewster.
 

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If Everyone is fit and you aren't playing Mané on the left, then he has by definition become the sub/rotataion player. If Mané is on the left then the new player is the sub/rotation player.

A sub/rotation player is somebody who doesn't make the starting line-up when you have every player available to you.

You replied directly in the Coutinho thread when somebody suggested that Coutinho would have too high a wage for being a sub/rotation player.

Absolutely nobody is saying there isn't room.for a fourth attacker (who would be a sub/rotation player) but either Klopp is happy with Origi as that player or there was not an option that made sense as that player this year (not Coutinho,.not Demebele).

Perhaps next year we bring in Sancho and he becomes that player, but he would be brought in as a younger prospect sub/rotation player who is capable of forcing his way into the first 11 eventually.
I ask again, who are our sub/rotation players in CM? As per your definition Wijnaldum would probably be one of them. But he plays more than anyone else because what you described just doesn't happen. Players get injured, lose form, play a few games on the bounce and need a rest. Klopp looks like he is going strong for the line up for the Super Cup like he did for the shield. Whether he does or not for the Club World Cup remains to be seen but it seems likely. Just in the league, Europe and those games we could be playing 54 matches. Our front 3 only managed to start 137 last year with almost no issues with injuries (let's hope our luck continues there) they aren't covering 162 between them. We could have easily accommodated a new forward who played a Fabinho style introduction season of 30 starts plus a few sub cameos. That's ignoring the cups 100% .
 

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I ask again, who are our sub/rotation players in CM?
All of them are. Because, as has been stated numerous times, none of them rise above the standards of the others sufficiently to create a real, clear pecking order. If there was more of an established pecking order then the ones clearly at the top would be rotated out less often. Furthermore, if Fab (Used as an example as he appears the most likely of the midfield to achieve this) goes on to consolidate his reputation for a full season, and lets say he establishes himself as the preeminent DM in Brazil above Fernandinho and Casimero, what do you think the chances are of being able to supplement the squad next summer with a second quality DM?
 
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None of them kept Salah out of the team. That's precisely the type of quality signing we can make - a player who's good enough to start ahead of what we have. In Salah's case he didn't displace any of the three players you mention - instead Klopp played Coutinho more withdrawn and then sold him. So yeah, if we're going for a player who's good enough to be a starter then yes, we can sign him...think I had that as option b) although you could argue that Salah was closer to option a). Salah has now become part of what we have.

Do you think we could sign 16/17 Salah now? How's he going to force his way into the team? Does Klopp drop Firmino back like he did with Coutinho?
You think 16/17 Salah could see the future? Or received a clause in his contract to say Klopp would be forced to play 4231 for a certain number of games? Have you actually looked how many games we did that to accommodate the 4 of them? It actually wasnt that many. Salah joined because Klopp told him he'd play and he 1 trusted Klopp and 2 wanted a financially beneficial move to a big side in a top league where he had unfinished business. He did it despite us having 3 top class forwards whose starting status was seemingly etched in stone. Yeah I think that player would still make the move now. Probably think Firmino playing behind current Salah with new Salah on the wing if all goes well for some games and any combination of 3 from the 4 when one is missing, rotated or more presence in midfield is required.
 

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All of them are. Because, as has been stated numerous times, none of them rise above the standards of the others sufficiently to create a real, clear pecking order. If there was more of an established pecking order then the ones clearly at the top would be rotated out less often. Furthermore, if Fab goes on to consolidate his reputation for a full season, and lets say he establishes himself as the preeminent DM in Brazil above Fernandinho and Casimero, what do you think the chances are of being able to supplement the squad next summer with a second quality DM?
Why would we need to add a DM? We have 5 starting capable CMs 3 of which have pleased Klopp with how they played that role. If Henderson and Wijnaldum both moved on a class young DM may look at a CM of Fabinho, Keita and Ox and think he'll get game time yeah, sometimes alongside Fabinho. Sometimes instead of Fabinho when hes rested or plays CB. Kind of like Rodri joining City.
 



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All of them are. Because, as has been stated numerous times, none of them rise above the standards of the others sufficiently to create a real, clear pecking order. If there was more of an established pecking order then the ones clearly at the top would be rotated out less often. Furthermore, if Fab goes on to consolidate his reputation for a full season, and lets say he establishes himself as the preeminent DM in Brazil above Fernandinho and Casimero, what do you think the chances are of being able to supplement the squad next summer with a second quality DM?
Why would we need to add a DM? We have 5 starting capable CMs 3 of which have pleased Klopp with how they played that role. If Henderson and Wijnaldum both moved on a class young DM may look at a CM of Fabinho, Keita and Ox and think he'll get game time yeah, sometimes alongside Fabinho. Sometimes instead of Fabinho when hes rested or plays CB. Kind of like Rodri joining City.
 

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Why would we need to add a DM?
Fuck sake. It was an example used to make a point. I used Fab as he appears the most likely of the entire midfield to really cement himself as the incumbent in the position.

As for Rodri, he has joined City because the guy who is the incumbent is 34 and the club have been actively trying to handle the transition for 18 months. The same would not be true of us with a 10 year younger Fab.
 

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I ask again, who are our sub/rotation players in CM? As per your definition Wijnaldum would probably be one of them. But he plays more than anyone else because what you described just doesn't happen. Players get injured, lose form, play a few games on the bounce and need a rest. Klopp looks like he is going strong for the line up for the Super Cup like he did for the shield. Whether he does or not for the Club World Cup remains to be seen but it seems likely. Just in the league, Europe and those games we could be playing 54 matches. Our front 3 only managed to start 137 last year with almost no issues with injuries (let's hope our luck continues there) they aren't covering 162 between them. We could have easily accommodated a new forward who played a Fabinho style introduction season of 30 starts plus a few sub cameos. That's ignoring the cups 100% .
It isn't clear yet apart from Fabinho who the starting three players are because of the injuries we've had I think this has been explained to you several times.. I already said if Naby had not been injured and had carried on his form.from RB then he and Fab would have established themselves as two starters along with whoever best complimented them, probably Hendo or Gini. Everyone else therefore is a sub/rotation player.

You can stop repeating how many games/starts we have this season. It has no bearing on anything. We have players to play as sub/rotation to cover all the games. Their names are Origi, Shaqiri and Brewster.

It may well be that we looked for another player to bring in, but we obviously did not find anyone who would offer more than Origi does but who does not cost £50m+
 
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You think 16/17 Salah could see the future? Or received a clause in his contract to say Klopp would be forced to play 4231 for a certain number of games? Have you actually looked how many games we did that to accommodate the 4 of them? It actually wasnt that many. Salah joined because Klopp told him he'd play and he 1 trusted Klopp and 2 wanted a financially beneficial move to a big side in a top league where he had unfinished business. He did it despite us having 3 top class forwards whose starting status was seemingly etched in stone. Yeah I think that player would still make the move now. Probably think Firmino playing behind current Salah with new Salah on the wing if all goes well for some games and any combination of 3 from the 4 when one is missing, rotated or more presence in midfield is required.
And Klopp was right. He knew how he would deploy them together and it was certainly anticipated that none of them would be better than Salah from the right.

The four of them were only fit and available to start 6 PL games (out of 22) before Coutinho was sold. In 4 of those games all 4 of them started. Salah and Mane started in every single one of them. On 2 occasions Firmino was on the bench and 1 occasion Coutinho joined him. None of the three you mention kept Salah out of the team.
 

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And Klopp was right. He knew how he would deploy them together and it was certainly anticipated that none of them would be better than Salah from the right.

The four of them were only fit and available to start 6 PL games (out of 22) before Coutinho was sold. In 4 of those games all 4 of them started. Salah and Mane started in every single one of them. On 2 occasions Firmino was on the bench and 1 occasion Coutinho joined him. None of the three you mention kept Salah out of the team.
And this doesn't prove my point? You've just put the evidence up yourself that we successfully added a fourth attacker to a cemented front 3 of "starters" but not only did that player not ride the bench as a "sub/rotation" player but we comfortably used all four, none were considered sub or rotation only options (like, let's face it, Shaqiri and Origi are best case scenario), all four got to play enough and it even gave us the tactical option to really blast teams away by lining up with all 4 by sacrificing a midfielder (apparently they are nowhere near the same level so that's not a problem). What was so wrong with that set up/level of strength?
 



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And this doesn't prove my point? You've just put the evidence up yourself that we successfully added a fourth attacker to a cemented front 3 of "starters" but not only did that player not ride the bench as a "sub/rotation" player but we comfortably used all four, none were considered sub or rotation only options (like, let's face it, Shaqiri and Origi are best case scenario), all four got to play enough and it even gave us the tactical option to really blast teams away by lining up with all 4 by sacrificing a midfielder (apparently they are nowhere near the same level so that's not a problem). What was so wrong with that set up/level of strength?
Eh? We added a player that was at a level that he had to start even when our existing front three were available. Which player are you suggesting fits that criteria that we could sign? Whoever you identify I am not likely to object to signing him but at what cost and what happens to Bobby, Mo or Sadio?

Even when we signed Salah it meant that Firmino was on the bench for a third of those games where all 4 were available and when Klopp did play all four together it was a midfielder that missed out (hinting to our fewer number of world class midfielders).
 

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Eh? We added a player that was at a level that he had to start even when our existing front three were available. Which player are you suggesting fits that criteria that we could sign? Whoever you identify I am not likely to object to signing him but at what cost and what happens to Bobby, Mo or Sadio?

Even when we signed Salah it meant that Firmino was on the bench for a third of those games where all 4 were available and when Klopp did play all four together it was a midfielder that missed out (hinting to our fewer number of world class midfielders).
Why does one of those 3 have to move on? Did we need to sell Coutinho because we had too many forwards? On Firmino that's a lawyers way of twisting it, he was hardly a rotation sub was he? Was Salah a guaranteed thing when we signed him? A lot didn't rate him haha including me.
 

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Why does one of those 3 have to move on? Did we need to sell Coutinho because we had too many forwards? On Firmino that's a lawyers way of twisting it, he was hardly a rotation sub was he? Was Salah a guaranteed thing when we signed him? A lot didn't rate him haha including me.
I note your lack of suggestions as to who we could sign who starts ahead of our front three.

I didn't say any of the front three would need to move on but how do you play them all with another first choice forward and if you can't who misses out most often and would they be happy with that? Assuming we can sign the player who's better than them in the first place.

Klopp only managed to field all four of them together because Coutinho's more suitable to a midfield role than Firmino and our midfield options weren't good enough to exclude that as a 'solution'.
 

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Honestly Dreamer, and I mean no offence here but it amazes me how you have the time and energy to keep this going. It feels like you have been banging this drum for weeks and weeks now. Not having a pop at you but its getting tiresome reading the same stuff day in day out.
I think I get it, you wanted more quality in the front line. It's not going to happen now so maybe enjoy the football instead starting with tonights final.
 



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