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POST-MATCH: Anzhi Makhachkala 1-0 Liverpool Reserves



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That was my opinion on the squad he took.
But that was probably what Mascot was referring to when saying that you claimed Rodgers approached the game with a defeatist attitude.
 

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Dane, I'm sorry if I took this the wrong way but you said we waved the white flag at Anzhi, and then a couple of posts later you were accusing Rodgers of arrogance.

Apologies if I hadn't read you posts the way you intended them to be read, but that's what it looks like to me.
 

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Why did we play in that awful away kit? there was no clash of colours. To me, it doesn't bode well and just contributes to the gloomy atmosphere. Also, for some reason, I always struggle to identify players in away kit. It was difficult for me to evaluate individual performance as I struggled to identify them without a close up, except for Shelvey and Wisdom for obvious reasons.
 

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We sent a squad over hoping they could get some kind of result but not expecting them too. This is because we don't have a giant squad of full internationals capable of competing in four competions without playing weakend sides somewhere along the way. We've done this in Europa League games so far and took the decison not to have our one fit senior striker travel all the way to Russia and back to sit on the bench just in case. We also chose, as we have done in previous Europa League games, to rest the likes of Agger, Skrtl, Allen, Gerrard and Sterling for a hugely difficult game at the weekend.

Yes it's not nice to loose. Yes we could have struggled to qualify after last nights result but we have a thin squad with a few players really holding the side together. They can't play every game so somewhere we need to factor in a rest for them somewhere in the schedule.

All this talk of playing to loose and waving white flags is ridiculous, its simply a case of trying to manage scant resources as the league games are a priority and we simply can't play the same best eleven in every single game.
 



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It was difficult for me to evaluate individual performance as I struggled to identify them without a close up, except for Shelvey and Wisdom for obvious reasons.
RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Why did we play in that awful away kit? there was no clash of colours. To me, it doesn't bode well and just contributes to the gloomy atmosphere. Also, for some reason, I always struggle to identify players in away kit. It was difficult for me to evaluate individual performance as I struggled to identify them without a close up, except for Shelvey and Wisdom for obvious reasons.
I think the reason for the away kit was probably because we have a deal with Warrior to wear that kit a certain number of times.
 

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Everything Warrior has produced bar the home kit has been dreadful. Anyways, that's for another topic of discussion.

Suarez scored a hat trick in that sexy away kit. :p
You must be one of the only people I know who actually like that kit.

Nobody I know would even contemplate buying it or even wearing it.

And that's just the locals I know.
 

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Yeah i like it. It fits me perfectly. You must be a fat blob that's y you have the sour grapes fever.
:p
 



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RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really? I hope your are not serious. Just implying he was the only black player and so easy to pick him out makes me a racist!! and we all thought the Evra-Suarez thingy was made a meal of!
 

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Relax reddie ... I think he was implying you have something against baldies ... ;)
 

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Every fan on here needs to realize that we are a team in "Development" . Stop the slagging off and just enjoy it. We are not the team we once where, we are the team we hope to be. Yes we do need to move some on and get some in but isn't that how we hope to progress, we cant have instant success, we must build with not forgetting the core values of the club and our proud history. Yes we can have debates on the highs and lows of the season, but lets not forget that we are fans of the team and club.
I for one really enjoyed watching the team last night, on a ropey pitch against a big physical team, late into the Russian night. how we stayed together and threatened till the end and didn't wilt or fade. It was impressive.
 

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Why did we play in that awful away kit? there was no clash of colours. To me, it doesn't bode well and just contributes to the gloomy atmosphere. Also, for some reason, I always struggle to identify players in away kit. It was difficult for me to evaluate individual performance as I struggled to identify them without a close up, except for Shelvey and Wisdom for obvious reasons.
I was thinking this during the game. There wasn't a colour clash, so why not - given it was a team of kids - give them the opportunity to wear the famous red.

Imagine you're Connor Coady and you are playing your Liverpool debut. You approach your peg, shaking with excitement at seeing your name on that famous shirt - and it's fucking purple.

I always want to see the team in red, unless there is a colour clash. I think the management miss a trick by not using it.
 

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I agree with what you have said here, as he does lack self belief and confidence, but surely as a highly paid professional footballer, he needs to grab these opportunities when he can and impress. The chance he had was a defining moment in my eyes, as he should have taken it on, could you imagine what a 22 year old Gerrard would have done in that same situation.

I've defended Henderson against some stick with my mates, as I believe that he has the potential to be a very good footballer, I just wish that BR had given him more of an opportunity to play the Lucas role since he's been injured. Doesn't Henderson play there for the England U21's?
you can't compare him to what any other player 'would' have done. It is down to his mental state, and when that is gone as it appears to be with Hendo, you just need to help him stay positive and be supportive and encourage him - as hard a sit may be at times as if you start jumping on his back it will just shatter any resembilence of self belief that he still has
 



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Every fan on here needs to realize that we are a team in "Development" . Stop the slagging off and just enjoy it. We are not the team we once where, we are the team we hope to be. Yes we do need to move some on and get some in but isn't that how we hope to progress, we cant have instant success, we must build with not forgetting the core values of the club and our proud history. Yes we can have debates on the highs and lows of the season, but lets not forget that we are fans of the team and club.
I for one really enjoyed watching the team last night, on a ropey pitch against a big physical team, late into the Russian night. how we stayed together and threatened till the end and didn't wilt or fade. It was impressive.
Every fan on here also needs to realize that we are a team that's been cut to the bone in terms of experienced players (decent ones at any rate) at the top level; because we've been left so shallow, lineups like the one fielded last night feature quite regularly now. We can only afford to put out all our best players, injuries permitting of course, in the Premiership and maybe the FA Cup; that's the reality of it and there's really only one culprit to blame for that imo - and it's not the manager.
 

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Dane, I'm sorry if I took this the wrong way but you said we waved the white flag at Anzhi, and then a couple of posts later you were accusing Rodgers of arrogance.

Apologies if I hadn't read you posts the way you intended them to be read, but that's what it looks like to me.
No worries.
Maybe I should have worded it more clearly.

I meant that I thought the squad we took was too weak to take anything from this game.
And that Rodgers and a lot of fans thinking that, either we could win this game, or that "We only have to beat YB and it's job done" were displaying a very presumptious and arrogant outlook.
 

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I suspect that if we getting Sahin on a permanent deal, then Henderson is gone.

I think it's a shame that his natural game - an all purpose central midfielder, box to box - doesn't really exist anymore in the modern game, and increasingly these kind of players are required to specialise as attacking or defensive mids.

Had Rafa got hold of him he would have been moulded into a good defensive midfielder - like he did with Lucas, and that's what Rodger's should be doing with Hendo. Obviously Lucas had the rock hard mentality to come through poor seasons as he was learning the role, but I don't know if it's Henderson has that.

And more crucially I don't think the owners or Rodgers himself will really allow a 16m acquisition to be in the background developing when there could be a 8m return to invest in the squad. When you hear the stories that Bruce would have accepted 6m and couldn't believe it when Kenny offered 16, it's enough to make you cry.
 

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I suspect that if we getting Sahin on a permanent deal, then Henderson is gone.

I think it's a shame that his natural game - an all purpose central midfielder, box to box - doesn't really exist anymore in the modern game, and increasingly these kind of players are required to specialise as attacking or defensive mids.

Had Rafa got hold of him he would have been moulded into a good defensive midfielder - like he did with Lucas, and that's what Rodger's should be doing with Hendo. Obviously Lucas had the rock hard mentality to come through poor seasons as he was learning the role, but I don't know if it's Henderson has that.

And more crucially I don't think the owners or Rodgers himself will really allow a 16m acquisition to be in the background developing when there could be a 8m return to invest in the squad. When you hear the stories that Bruce would have accepted 6m and couldn't believe it when Kenny offered 16, it's enough to make you cry.
But if he only cost £6 million he wouldn't have been as good now would he? The fact we paid £16 million for him meant that he was £10 million better than he would have been had we paid £6 million.
 

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i disagree a wee bit and have little sympathy for the squad and its depth as it stands, to me, thats---not irrelevant--- but not as significant as people make out.

sure, suarez and gerrard dont have to play.....or travel...

but thats different completely to what was sent out.

the thing is, is this squad really...i mean really that bad.....rafa won the euro cup with milan fucking baros as his striker, and traore as his left back.

to me, we are being conditioned here, almost conned.

cant get fourth...cant progress in the league cup...plan to strategically lose in europe...

suarez is one of the best strikers in the game today, the centre backs are a great match, sahin....gerrard....allen....

surely this squad isnt as bad as aiming for nothing but getting good at passing...which is my other bug bear....'learning the system tm '


as if these guys dont know how to pass a fucking ball 5 yards.


i dont think im overreacting to a loss in russia, but im reacting to a complete and utter apathy to not even planning to try and win certain games.

funnily eough...losing to chelsea will have no bearing on our season...losing to anzi just might....

conditioned.

thats the kindest i can be right now.
if we accept the propositions:

A. Suarez cannot play in every game, 2 games a week.

and

B. Suarez has scored or created 80% of our goals this season

and consider that 100% of our attack has been inadequate this season, exactly which senior players were worth using in a game where we were playing with best-case 20% of our offensive firepower?

Throwing otherwise useful resources after a lost cause you have already chosen to starve of the critical resource is ass-covering weak management in any walk of life.

PS. Baros as first striker, Traore as centre back? European champions? Absurd, you are a WUM. Wait...damn, that did happen, didn't it?
 



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Every fan on here also needs to realize that we are a team that's been cut to the bone in terms of experienced players (decent ones at any rate) at the top level; because we've been left so shallow, lineups like the one fielded last night feature quite regularly now. We can only afford to put out all our best players, injuries permitting of course, in the Premiership and maybe the FA Cup; that's the reality of it and there's really only one culprit to blame for that imo - and it's not the manager.
Quote of the season. As perfect as one could ever get.

Redbj,

Losing to chelsea won't have a bearing on our season?

I think winning against Chelsea will have a bearing given how badly we have started the season and how far down the table we are at. For pride, honor and respect, every point here on counts BIG TIME.
 

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But if he only cost £6 million he wouldn't have been as good now would he? The fact we paid £16 million for him meant that he was £10 million better than he would have been had we paid £6 million.
We should have up'd the fee by another four million. Then we'd have a 20m player on our hands. Fucking Comolli.
 

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All due respect, you are one of my favourite posters, but have to disagree on the defensive side.

Hendo did his "day job" quite well, all their chances went round or over him they couldn't attack through the middle due to him and Coady an thats where Anzhi's most dangerous player was set up to take advantage of our most inexperienced (Hiddink ain't soft).

Agree on attacking first chance should of smashed it at keeper an who knows what could of happened with lose balls an rebounds with Morgan an Shelvey steaming into area.

Second shot was a chance too and mucked it up completely.

But all these people having a go at Henderson for his lack of contribution up top.... do they also have a go at Allen and Lucas for it?

Instead of comparing how useless Henderson was in attack compared to Shelvey and Gerrard and the likes why not compare him to the holding midfielders like he is?

Just because he managed to help get involved in a couple of attacks doesnt mean he should be rated based on his attacking contribution or lack of in my view.

Just seems a bit of a harsh way to be looking at him.
Allen and Lucas are exactly who i was comparing him to in my earlier post not Shelvey or Gerrard. I honestly think he is terrible in that DM/Holding position. When Allen and Lucas play there they start off the attacks. Alot of people think Allen and Lucas give nothing from an attacking sense but i disagree. They didctate the tempo of our passing and pull the opposition around by recieveing and ditributing the ball quickly and intelligently.
there's more than one way to pass a ball 5 or 10 yards. From what i've seen ,Hendo more time than not passes the ball directly to feet or behind a players forward movement when passing to wide players. this breaks down the whole passing flow of the team. The recieving player has to either check back to recive the ball, now he is facing his own goal and passing options are keeper or centre half or recieves it square and needs a touch to get it out from under their feet. Opposition get that second to close him, his vision is accross the field and toward his own goal, options are keeper, center half or square back to Hendo ( hendo has not got himself into a safe position to recieve the ball )
Lucas or Allen on the other hand when at all possible play the ball into the path of the wide or central players now the recieving player is facing the opposition goal. options are
  • first time down the line
  • over the top
  • player in the hole
  • beat his man
actualy there are too many to mention but he still has the options that were available under the pass behind or flat. Win Win situation.

it may sound like a very simple skill but Hendo does not seem to have it.

Lucas and Allen give the attacking players the options to be creative, Hendo does not.

This is may sound like a Hendo bash but it is not. it is just my observation of him in this position.
 

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Henderson is not performing and is rightfully get it from the support.

Lucas and Allen are/were performing and are getting the thumbs up rightfully.
 

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First half last night i thought we played quite well.Second half we were chasing the game so it opened up a fair bit in Anzi,s favour.Couple that with the fact most of the team were young lads,inexperienced at this level and playing away from home on a bad pitch and although we didn't get a positive result,we didn't really get overrun.

The younger lads,while feeling down cos of the result can draw confidence from a decent performance on their part which will stand them in good stead for the future.

We still have 2 games to go and can finish top of this group.We didn't really expect to go and score many goals last night,we only scored 1 against them at home,so i'm a bit surprised that some of us expected us to get anymore than we did out of this game.Yes the line up was not what it could have been,but that is not to say the result would have been any different had it been.
 



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you can't compare him to what any other player 'would' have done. It is down to his mental state, and when that is gone as it appears to be with Hendo, you just need to help him stay positive and be supportive and encourage him - as hard a sit may be at times as if you start jumping on his back it will just shatter any resembilence of self belief that he still has
Its a shame though, as I think he could have a future at LFC, but mentally he just might not be tough enough to play at a club that has so much pressure on it.
 

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Strange, how so many people are coming to the dark side over Henderson, as if yesterdays lackluster performance was anything new. I guess all the people that told me I was wrong last year didn't come back after the site crashed.
 

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Henderson needs to be sold. He needs to improve else where.
Or next on loan like Spearo!
 

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This team never had any goals in it, the only surprise to me was that it wasn't 2-0 as I'd thought. Downing and Cole are just awful. Henderson passing it back into the Anzi defense when he was one on one with the goalie just shows the sort of form and confidence he's on right now. Woeful. Suso injected a bit of life when he came on, but we weren't even close. Boring game to watch. We will get knocked out of these cup competitions early unless we can cling on til January and actually get some decent attacking players in.
 

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This team never had any goals in it, the only surprise to me was that it wasn't 2-0 as I'd thought. Downing and Cole are just awful. Henderson passing it back into the Anzi defense when he was one on one with the goalie just shows the sort of form and confidence he's on right now. Woeful. Suso injected a bit of life when he came on, but we weren't even close. Boring game to watch. We will get knocked out of these cup competitions early unless we can cling on til January and actually get some decent attacking players in.
NONE of our teams have any goals in them unless Suarez is playing. Unfortunately playing him every game is asking for trouble. I still think Cole and maybe Downing are getting games to show off their talents and try and get some money for them in January. I think we're all pinning our hopes on a good transfer window, hopefully FSG realise you can't run a football team with such a thin squad and having 2 recognised strikers (Borini and Suarez, don't count Yesil yet) is just asking for trouble.