Post Match: Atletico Madrid v Liverpool (18/2/20 8pm)

Man of the match

  • Alisson

    Votes: 26 33.8%
  • Alexander-Arnold

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Gomez

    Votes: 25 32.5%
  • Van Dijk

    Votes: 7 9.1%
  • Robertson

    Votes: 27 35.1%
  • Fabinho

    Votes: 11 14.3%
  • Henderson

    Votes: 14 18.2%
  • Wijnaldum

    Votes: 3 3.9%
  • Salah

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • Firmino

    Votes: 11 14.3%
  • Mane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Origi (on 46')

    Votes: 3 3.9%
  • Ox (on 72')

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Milner (on 80')

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • Total voters
    77
  • Poll closed .

Nur der BvB09

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We need a banner saying "Welcome to Hell" in the 2nd leg.

Please forgive me everyone, I did laugh st the comment. I have this terrible habit of laughing in circumstances when I shouldn't have. I slapped myself as an act of contrition.
We have to be smarter in verbal retaliation.
You damn right Miss!!
We’ll break their HEARTS in 3 weeks time.
@DeathOrGlory should have warned me about those cunts AMs as I waved lyrics about the fight spirit ( now I add for DIVING at the highest level)they obviously possess.
We may loose a game or two ; it’s normal but only if we loose it fair and not like the mancs game against the opposite team +cunt ref. This is too much to handle
We’re getting punished for being fair play that is what pisses me most. Anyway the game at Anfield it’ll be called: welcome to Olymp where God’s shoot thunders open you as a punishment
 

POOL4EVER

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Really think that if (when !)Ath Madrid come and defend we have to get Van Dijk and Gomez to bring the ball forward to the halfway line more, they had oportunities to do that last night but they didnt. They gave us the wings and unfortunately we didnt deliver crosses as we normally do. If our 2 centre backs bring the ball out a bit further it wil make some more space in the middle when madrid players step out to face them, if they dont they will drop deep and we can move to the last third easier
 

shachart

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I won't blame the referee, Simeone, Atletico players or the pitch.

We were poor from start to finish, zero shots on target for 90 minutes. LFC was not ready for Simeone and his defensive brand of football. Atleti played the match on their terms and had the better chances to score a second goal.

VvD looked shaky which is really strange. TAA slipped 3-4 times during the first 25 minutes and his passing was awful, and then he lost all sparks of confidence. Fabinho, Gini and Hendo had a nightmare. And of course Salah, Mane and Bobby were toothless.
According to the stats Mo did not pass the ball to Sadio and Bobby for the first 25 minutes. Sadio did not create any problems for Vrsalko /a decent full back, but nothing special/.

And of course the substitutes - did not help us and created nothnig. These type of opponents show why we need to impove our squad this summer. When Salah is playing poorly /and maybe not many will share this opinion, but to my mind after that injury in Kiev his quality and effectiveness is dropping season after season/ we have no real alternatives. AOC was a passenger last night like most of his coleagues. And when you play against teams that defend deep in low block, you need players with great ball controll and technique. Only Bobby looked like that type of player. Chambo, Salah, Gini and Trents first touch and pass were not up to the required standard. They looked intimidated by the atmosphere and the opponents.

The team and the coaches need to improve massively, I exppect a smilar match to those against Napoli /in the group stage/. If we concede it is game over, they are the masters of defence and Simeone has studied our game plan and neutralized it perfectly. Klopp and Krawietz must find the right answers and also must start asking the right questions.

Both full backs blocked and ineffective. The midfielders could not create anything and the three in attack looked isolated and two of them were substituted early which is the best verdict for their impact on the match.

Stilll Atletico have lost only once in their last 26 home european games. And they have lost /after winning the first leg/ only to teams that have Ronaldo in their 11. Our players must be ready for a huge battle and it is vital to use every chance for goal, we won't have many clear cut chances. Salah and Mane need to improve and show why they are known as world class players.
I agree with your assessment of the match, not quite as to your conclusion.
while most of our players under performed, I think it was mostly they were under prepared, Klopp had his tactics wrong. There are 2 ways to break a defense which is paring the bus. The first is to spread them out, Klopp uses that all the time by using TAA and Robbo, however Atleti were prepared for that. another way to spread the defense is by shooting from outside the box. Fabinho is not a threat nor are Gini and Hendo. Ox is probably our best threat from outside the box, so I think he should start.
the other way to open a defense is with short passes, Firimino and Salah combine well, but Salah needs t play closer to him, rather than stay on the right.
As far as the subs, Origi when coming in should play in the middle, utlize his size and height. We also have a great player to work in close quarters in Minamino ( when he will be fully integrated to the team that is ). Keita is a good option as well.

I think we are lacking an old school big No. 9. Someone you can lob crosses to the box and he will power over defenders in the air.
 

POOL4EVER

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on a sidenote watching Spurs getting owned by Leipzig Werner full of class running and a good pen for his 26 goal this season !! Also their no 18 Mbunko ( spelling) looks good ex PSG
 

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I won't blame the referee, Simeone, Atletico players or the pitch.

We were poor from start to finish, zero shots on target for 90 minutes.
LFC was not ready for Simeone and his defensive brand of football. Atleti played the match on their terms and had the better chances to score a second goal.

VvD looked shaky which is really strange. TAA slipped 3-4 times during the first 25 minutes and his passing was awful, and then he lost all sparks of confidence. Fabinho, Gini and Hendo had a nightmare. And of course Salah, Mane and Bobby were toothless.
According to the stats Mo did not pass the ball to Sadio and Bobby for the first 25 minutes. Sadio did not create any problems for Vrsalko /a decent full back, but nothing special/.

And of course the substitutes - did not help us and created nothnig. These type of opponents show why we need to impove our squad this summer. When Salah is playing poorly /and maybe not many will share this opinion, but to my mind after that injury in Kiev his quality and effectiveness is dropping season after season/ we have no real alternatives. AOC was a passenger last night like most of his coleagues. And when you play against teams that defend deep in low block, you need players with great ball controll and technique. Only Bobby looked like that type of player. Chambo, Salah, Gini and Trents first touch and pass were not up to the required standard. They looked intimidated by the atmosphere and the opponents.

The team and the coaches need to improve massively, I exppect a smilar match to those against Napoli /in the group stage/. If we concede it is game over, they are the masters of defence and Simeone has studied our game plan and neutralized it perfectly. Klopp and Krawietz must find the right answers and also must start asking the right questions.

Both full backs blocked and ineffective. The midfielders could not create anything and the three in attack looked isolated and two of them were substituted early which is the best verdict for their impact on the match.

Stilll Atletico have lost only once in their last 26 home european games. And they have lost /after winning the first leg/ only to teams that have Ronaldo in their 11. Our players must be ready for a huge battle and it is vital to use every chance for goal, we won't have many clear cut chances. Salah and Mane need to improve and show why they are known as world class players.
If the referee wasn't such a useless, homer gobshite there were a number of occasions where we may well have got shots on target.

Salah being penalised first half when he clearly won the ball from their LB (who went down like he'd been shot). Blatant foul on AOC in a great position late on. Clear handball just after which should have been called back for a free-kick in a good position.

It's not easy to create good goalscoring opportunities against these shithouses, it's even harder when the referee actively stops you from doing so.
 

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The least one can say is that you're hard to please... :LOL:
I'd rather put it as realistic. I'm not complaining about where we are in the league or Europe (or the world) at present, but I firmly believe that even with these results we have been lucky and also have much more progress to come.

We may be destined to become league winners, but we have managed to collect too many 3 point games which we haven't played well enough to deserve. There's a spark missing in midfield and improvement up front. If I'm correct, then the other teams in the EPL are up the creek without their proverbial paddle. It's our turn now and all the pieces from the owners, to manager, backroom staff, facilities and players are being brought into place. It was never going to happen overnight, but it's happening now.

On the other hand, Klopp would probably agree with you, as he has recently said that he saw us at 50% of where he wanted to take us. So, he sees definitely potential for more than what we've got right now.

Yeah........................Jurgs and I see the bigger picture. :cool:
 

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Whilst I agree with your more general point that we are winning without playing that well, your paragraph about our delivery from corners being consistently poor is, frankly, bollocks.
"....frankly, bollocks".

I quite like that word 'Bollocks', it has a real presence.

I always wanted to have a racehorse and name it Noble Locks, but wouldn't have got away with it.

Anyway, I digress.

We had 7 corners during that game, how many would you say were 'good corners' or served it up to our big fellers?
 

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Sort of calm enough to comment on the game now, and the stats of 73% possession away from home, and 0 shots on target, completely sums up the game for me. Any attempt at creativity from Liverpool was stifled, and if we are being honest, there is very little creativity from our midfield at the best of times. The majority of our creativity comes from the front three, and if they don’t get the ball, everything is cancelled out.

The thing that stopped us getting the result was the fractional things that we didn’t accomplish as well as we normally do, and unfortunately it was all of them at the same time.
  1. Not passing into the space of the receiving player, which means the momentum of the attack is killed nearly instantly, and this happened constantly.
  2. The same can be said of first touch control, just that small misplaced touch, yes enough control to keep possession, but once again it killed off any potential attack.
  3. The crossing was really bad, really, really bad.
  4. We definitely could have moved the ball a split second quicker, it would have helped.
I think this is a decent result, it really could have very easily been 2 shots, 2-0. We can expect exactly the same tactics from them at Anfield, maybe just more defensive, more acting, more time wasting, more diving, more foaling, so maybe 85% possession Liverpool, 10% possession to time wasting, and 5% for them. We just need to make it count, and not play like we are surprised by the tactics. I expect Simeone to be on his knees, distraught, instead of jumping up and down on the touch line.
 

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Crowd makes a massive impact. They've won 5 out of 18 games away from home this season, They've lost 6 including 2 of their 3 CL ties.

And they haven't won an away game in over a month, having played 5 times and losing 4 of them, conceding twice 3 times. If Eibar can beat them 2-0 we need to show we can.
 

sportbilly1966

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All of this. I gave myself some time to think about it before posting. I had a rant about AM, Diego The Lunatic, and La Liga in my mind but why bother? Absolute grotesque brand and style of football. Awful. Literally the absolute worst league in the world and it's not even close. Diving, cheating, stop/start, time wasting, injury faking, no flow to the match, sit back and defend. AM getting that early goal was literally the worst possible scenario for this match and it unfolded exactly by the script, to the letter, thereafter. It was mind bending watching how lopsided the officiating was in the last 20 minutes of the match. The ref was firmly in Diego's pocket and was there to stay. They won the match at HT, forcing our manager's hand to take off our best player for the entire second half.

Having said all that, the match was still there for us. If that's the best AM have, they are in trouble. I would NEVER be critical of our boys. Literally, ever. They just weren't at their best last night. What surprised me was how lethargic I thought we looked at times. Not making excuses, but it was bound to happen at some point. I felt like we had been showing these signs the last few weeks in PL matches. Wasteful at times. AM overloaded the midfield and always had an extra man and we really didn't have an answer for it. When we did get the ball out to the FB they weren't at their best. Crosses were speculative and begging more than anything else. Trent had a mare. I didn't at all understand bringing Origi on. I would've expected one of Keita or Taki to come on to break down some off that deep defending. Easy for me to say though from my living room! I will always trust Klopp. Fab, who is one of my favourite players in the world, is still not fully back and up to match speed. I thought he struggled a bit.

Again, bound to happen at some point. Our boys have been on a season for the ages and now is not the time for our supporters to make grand, sweeping accusations or to be overly dramatic about any one player. We lost 1-0. Hold our heads high and look forward. We get these assholes at our place in a few weeks and we will put them in their proper place. Onward.
Regarding the lethargy of the players, this only seemed to be when we had the ball because otherwise our effort closing down was overall very good.

Maybe they were concentrating too much on the defensive side as our movement IMO was not to the standard that we expect.

I have mentioned in the in-match forums that we seem to refuse to play a straight ball up the middle to Bobby's feet, doing this and then getting runners off playing 1 and 2 touch football has worked so well for us, this also pulls their players in and creates more space for Trent & Robbo out wide to receive the ball and deliver, we also seem to take 2 passes getting the ball wide when 1 will do.
 

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We had 7 corners during that game, how many would you say were 'good corners' or served it up to our big fellers?
For the last time: you’re focusing on one game. You have to look at a larger sample size to draw accurate conclusions. If you don’t understand that simple premise, I really can’t help you.
 

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Atletico players still celebrating today :ROFLMAO: Hopefully our players have seen this video as well....


But what's the matter with that?? Why would our players get angrier just because AM are celebrating??


That's what you do when you beat the world champions who are in a long unbeaten run. Celebrate. It seems logical and predictable to me...


Not a good idea for the players to get too emotionally involved against AM. That would most likely play into their hands. Their mind games worked effectively agaisnt Mane already.
 

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For the last time: you’re focusing on one game. You have to look at a larger sample size to draw accurate conclusions. If you don’t understand that simple premise, I really can’t help you.
The 'sample size' argument is valid. Perhaps the poster you quoted needs to do billions of corner simulations and analyse the probabilities of landing in each square metre of the penalty box leading to a goal. That's what any sensible contributor to this discussion needs to do after months of building the database, naturally.
 

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Make Burnley look like Barca. I actually had to turn over on several occasion as I just couldn't stomach them and the ref. And all the medias drooling over Simeone's is sickening my pish (Macca et al). Why do we celebrate these people who make good livings from effectively coaching cheating. Not that they ever will, but it would be a travesty for that shower to win anything.

Anyway, a better ref at Anfield and we'll have them. We just need to take the chances we'll have more of am sure.
 

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I'd rather put it as realistic. I'm not complaining about where we are in the league or Europe (or the world) at present, but I firmly believe that even with these results we have been lucky and also have much more progress to come.

We may be destined to become league winners, but we have managed to collect too many 3 point games which we haven't played well enough to deserve. There's a spark missing in midfield and improvement up front. If I'm correct, then the other teams in the EPL are up the creek without their proverbial paddle. It's our turn now and all the pieces from the owners, to manager, backroom staff, facilities and players are being brought into place. It was never going to happen overnight, but it's happening now.
Mary, you can’t get the points total we have this year by being lucky. We’re a brilliant, brilliant football team.
 

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Sort of calm enough to comment on the game now, and the stats of 73% possession away from home, and 0 shots on target, completely sums up the game for me. Any attempt at creativity from Liverpool was stifled, and if we are being honest, there is very little creativity from our midfield at the best of times. The majority of our creativity comes from the front three, and if they don’t get the ball, everything is cancelled out.

The thing that stopped us getting the result was the fractional things that we didn’t accomplish as well as we normally do, and unfortunately it was all of them at the same time.
  1. Not passing into the space of the receiving player, which means the momentum of the attack is killed nearly instantly, and this happened constantly.
  2. The same can be said of first touch control, just that small misplaced touch, yes enough control to keep possession, but once again it killed off any potential attack.
  3. The crossing was really bad, really, really bad.
  4. We definitely could have moved the ball a split second quicker, it would have helped.
I think this is a decent result, it really could have very easily been 2 shots, 2-0. We can expect exactly the same tactics from them at Anfield, maybe just more defensive, more acting, more time wasting, more diving, more foaling, so maybe 85% possession Liverpool, 10% possession to time wasting, and 5% for them. We just need to make it count, and not play like we are surprised by the tactics. I expect Simeone to be on his knees, distraught, instead of jumping up and down on the touch line.
Why have you ignored the penalty Mané should have been given for clear impedence that the blind ref didn't see?
Yes we were poor compared to our usual standards but to say it could have been 2-0 when it should have been 1-1 is 'out of order' in my book (it's not a very good book or long for that matter but it's all about having those nice rose tinted glasses that make LFC look wonderful even if there's a storm). ;)
Far too many are being far too critical over one match that didn't look like going our way from the kick off due to us being nervous and the ref being blind. :)
 

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I agree with your assessment of the match, not quite as to your conclusion.
while most of our players under performed, I think it was mostly they were under prepared, Klopp had his tactics wrong. There are 2 ways to break a defense which is paring the bus. The first is to spread them out, Klopp uses that all the time by using TAA and Robbo, however Atleti were prepared for that. another way to spread the defense is by shooting from outside the box. Fabinho is not a threat nor are Gini and Hendo. Ox is probably our best threat from outside the box, so I think he should start.
the other way to open a defense is with short passes, Firimino and Salah combine well, but Salah needs t play closer to him, rather than stay on the right.
As far as the subs, Origi when coming in should play in the middle, utlize his size and height. We also have a great player to work in close quarters in Minamino ( when he will be fully integrated to the team that is ). Keita is a good option as well.

I think we are lacking an old school big No. 9. Someone you can lob crosses to the box and he will power over defenders in the air.
As I said in the pre-match thread AM had probably been preparing for this for weeks (causing their poor form in their league).
We on the other hand are definitely concentraing on our league and so not as prepared as we could have been. We still have 90 minutes to set the record straight and i am confident we will do so.:)
 

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I did the Barca first leg and @i_still_miss_fowler did the second leg.
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I hand my broken and sullied baton over to you!
@i_still_miss_fowler? He started the good Barca game last season.
I am the Divock Origi of TIA. Inconsistent, frustrating, and frequently dividing opinion, but just occasionally I can produce magic.

When we play Madrid next, no magic is required. Just a normal professional performance should do it. ;)
 

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Why are so many fans hung up on the 'zero shots on goal' stat? I counted 3-4 fizzing shots that practically brushed the post without even mentioning Salah's beautiful shot that was blocked. Are they less valuable than a tame shot directly at the keeper?

Were we clinical enough? Not even close. But we've seen the forwards put on their anti-clinical boots on plenty of times this season and they've turned things around the next game. Days like that happen. It wasn't our best game, but there were some positives to take back to Anfield.
 

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They got lucky with a Garbage goal early, it wasnt even sloppy it was just an unlucky ricochet.

Not much we can do there but for as poorly as we played they didnt dominate us and we can play much better.

In light of recent comments a big reception for the boys is coming and Athletico will find out exactly what Anfield nights are all about.