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POST MATCH: Burnley 0-3 Liverpool (31 August, 2019)

Man of the Match vs. Burnley?

  • Adrián

    Votes: 10 8.3%
  • Alexander-Arnold

    Votes: 5 4.2%
  • Matip

    Votes: 12 10.0%
  • Robertson

    Votes: 4 3.3%
  • Henderson (off 71')

    Votes: 12 10.0%
  • Oxlade-Chamberlain (on 71')

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Fabinho

    Votes: 50 41.7%
  • Wijnaldum

    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • Salah

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Firmino (off 85')

    Votes: 71 59.2%
  • Shaqiri (on 85')

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Mané (off 85')

    Votes: 21 17.5%
  • Origi (on 85')

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Van Dijk

    Votes: 32 26.7%

  • Total voters
    120
  • Poll closed .

sportbilly1966

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A very professional performance aginsg a notoriously hard opponent especially at home. Thought everyone had a good game and I hope Salah learns from his greediness and picks the better option.

Fed up with hearing about there early chance as it was clearlynoffside and VAR would have disallowed it. This new oddside rule is a farce as assistant refs (linos) dont falg when its a close decision as then it can be ruled on if a goal is scored, however, Burnley then had a corner which if the had scored from would have stood!! When it was offside
 


liver1

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the reason he scores a lot of goals is because his team mates give him the opportunity and in return he assists them . He's a professional and will have a picture in his head of where his team mates are without even looking ( if you have to get your head up to look then the moment has gone ) . Even the boss was furious with him because that is selfish play .

It's the simpler and easier choice to pass it - it's not like he was in the 6 yard box . He's chosen to shoot twice with his weaker foot ( if i recall correctly ) when he has better placed teammates .

Doesn't matter if you are 0-0 or 3-0 (0-3) it's about choosing the right option instinctively - last season he went through a similar spell and it's to the detriment of the team .

Pass the ball , mane shoots , keeper saves and it rolls back out and you knock in a 2 yard screamer . Everyone is happy . ( Mane scores and it boosts Salah because he made the right choice )

if you're going to be selfish then you have to either score or make the keeper work hard .

He apologized to bobby for not passing so to then offer an hand of apology for doing the same thing again with Mane is a token gesture ( in that moment )

I played at amateur level and could see a pass and have a picture in my head before i received the ball . I'd imagine pro athletes can think and see things far quicker than a guy who enjoys a curry and a pint for breakfast .
The mane one he sees mane but goes for goal himself. The Bobby one , he's already shooting that ball in his head before he's even turned the defender. That's more of a case he should have his head up but again you change one thing you might lose another, how many times have you seen him waltz through a defence and head straight for goal, he doesn't have his head up looking for team mates all the time hes only got one thing on his mind.

You don't want him to lose that. There have been times in the past when he's out of form and not attacking the defenders and playing the overly simplified pass to compensate, when he should be more selfish, it happened last season for a while and he lost his goal threat.
 

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Matip was again outstanding. He and Virg were man-mountains and refused to be pushed around by anyone in Burnley's side. Long balls, set pieces, didn't matter. The triumvirate of Fab/Virg/Matip playing together give us such a different, physical dimension. Any of the mid/lower table slugs want to start their buffoonery in an effort to intimidate, we will be more than happy to oblige and return in kind.

I agree with Maria's earlier post, today's match felt different than any Burnley match of the previous 3 or 4 seasons.
 

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Look, not going to defend Salah, he can always improve, especially in decision making. But he scored 59 goals being who he is as an attacker. His type of attacker is focused when attacking, once he has his mind set on something, he goes for it. He is perhaps different from someone like Firmino who looks at all options. But Salah's selfishness is for good or for bad, one of the reasons, why we did so well, so while he can definitely do with more training on looking at options and decision making, to hear things like 'he is going to lose us the league' from some of the fans I talked to is not fair.
 



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Dyche is such an alehouse manager. The camera panned on him just before KO and he shouted the most Sunday league manager thing ever..."Turn us round so the keeper has the sun in his eyes!". I couldn't believe it. He has his team on the training field all week and all the prep and info he has given his players about us goes out the window when he notices the suns out.
As I said in the match thread - as soon as Sun went in or we swapped ends that was Burnleys manager all out of ideas!
The pitch was a swamp. He had prepared.
 

Flobs

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Is it me, didn't the lads play abit different than usual ? I can't quite put my finger on it.
Heavy pitch Maria due to over watering. Makes passing and dribbling more difficult (shooting as well but that seemed to affect Barnes the most lol). I think Gini and Firmino struggled with that. It didn't seem to affect Fabinho or Henderson though.
It means that long balls are more effective and we went long a lot more than usual I think. Also we didn't press. We knew they would play long as well so looked to pick the ball out and ply it up field rather than win it up high.
You are correct it wasn't our usual game circumstances dictated a different approach.
 

shachart

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I've got to mention Adrian.
His distribution with his feet is as poor as you can imagine, however he is proving he is more than a decent shot stopper. As long as we don't expect him to play from the back ( you're welcome Ings ) I think we made a bargain deal bringing him in.
All in all, I am pleasntly surprised, but can hardly to wait to have Allison back.
 

jim bouki

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There was an incident as the game was about to start that showed dyche shouting instructions for two players to attack or get at our keeper. Commentator tried to brush it off saying "oh must be because Adrian is facing the sun"... pricks the lot of them! So glad for Adrian to have a good game and was put under no real pressure, makes dyche look all the more of a twat. Bobby has taken his game to another level this year and it is glorious to see. Also fabinho being integrated from day 1 has been a blessing. We seem to be steam rolling everyone in our way without getting out of 2nd gear. Long may it continue!
 



South American Red

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To me it looks like Mané is yelling at Henderson in the bench. Maybe he was angry because Henderson didn't say something to Salah regarding his greediness.

Bobby's gesture is one of complicity too, like saying ''I know man, he did the same to me''.


I think Mané is right, if Salah would pass it more often, the team would score a couple more goals per match. Against Burnley no one cares, but in a tighter match that could be a problem...
 

Jimmyscase

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Fabinho just gets better and better each time he plays at the moment. MOTM for me.

Leave the front three (without Klopp if possible) to sort out how to improve balancing personal goals with team goals.
The media should but won't keep their distance, unless Sadio can keep his frustration under wraps. It doesn't need anyone from outside to inflame the tiff into a rift.
 

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I am now anticipating months of content for the trash media with stories about how "Mane wants OUT at Liverpool" and "Salah demands Mane sale!" etc etc.
TBH it's quite pleasing to see your team 3:0 up and the forwards losing their shit because they want more. I'd just rather they kept it to the training ground rather than airing dirty washing in public.

The front 3 are an interesting partnership. Bobby has to be one of the most selfless center forwards out their - always looking for the best opportunity before playing the ball. The other two are far more aggressive goal hunters but when it works, it works well.

One thing I have noticed is that we look slightly more coherent down the left compared to the right. Mané and Robbo have an innate understanding of each other and at times it is easy to forget who is the defender and who is the forward.

On the right, you don't see quite the same link up between Mo and TAA. They do work well together but there isn't quite that same understanding. Is that down to experience or personality? I'm not sure.
 



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to hear things like 'he is going to lose us the league' from some of the fans I talked to is not fair.
That's ridiculous thinking and nothing more. Salah's insistence to shoot when he should obviously pass is irritating but it's hardly a problem and it's already been dealt with.

Time to move on ourselves.
 
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Mane look to revive spirit of Suarez x Sturridge rivalry when they were competing who could score the most and be the best in the fans eyes. I remember Luis show same type of annoyance with Daniel on the pitch for being selfish too. Pretty sure there was a identical incident like yesterday between Dan and Lui.

The point is they push each other to perform up to their very best everytime they step on the pitch and it's all to the benefit of the team. Klopp don't even need to motivate them, they motivate each other. Mane is definetely pushing to top Salah, he equel him last season and this season I think he wants to take it even further, so of course he don't accept Salah missing so many shot every game, especially when he knows Mo has a eye for a pass but goes for the shot everytime regardless.
 

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Thought we played excellent yesterday. Can hardly remember Burnley having a decent shot or header. Fabinho was back to his best. He is a beast in front of our back line. Bobby was so un-selfish - yet again. Totally deserved that goal. Should have put 6 past them as Mo himself missed two sitters. Never mind though - we are greedy, as was shown by Mane having a go at Mo. Long may it continue...
 



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Re Mane.

There was one point in the second half of the match where I spotted him doing something that Klopp forbids players doing - looking knackered.

He was bending over, hands on knees, a pose Klopp has said they must never do as it shows tiredness and weakness, I said to my OH that Klopp will be pulling him off soon, and he did. These guys are being monitored physically all the time they are on the pitch, and the experts know when it's right to pull them off - or not. Maybe Mane was getting so wound up it raised his BP, maybe the tiredness was showing in his stats, and maybe they could see what was developing and pulled him before a fist fight started! Whatever - he was showing signs of tiredness at one point.
 



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This Salah / mane issue .
I reckon it’s been going on for a while now , going back to last season .
Many times Both of them have been guilty of squandering goal scoring chances because they don’t pass on to there teammates .akin to yesterday .
If they’ve been working in training on , if a better option presents itself , lay the ball off .
That could be mane ‘s Frustration showing .
Hence the out burst towards the bench , including Henderson .
My opinion anyway .
We do need to be Clinical with these chances , if we’re to win the league
 

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Milner sitting on the bench 2 games in a row - I think we are starting to preparing life without him - very slowly, but yet.
 

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TBH it's quite pleasing to see your team 3:0 up and the forwards losing their shit because they want more. I'd just rather they kept it to the training ground rather than airing dirty washing in public.

The front 3 are an interesting partnership. Bobby has to be one of the most selfless center forwards out their - always looking for the best opportunity before playing the ball. The other two are far more aggressive goal hunters but when it works, it works well.

One thing I have noticed is that we look slightly more coherent down the left compared to the right. Mané and Robbo have an innate understanding of each other and at times it is easy to forget who is the defender and who is the forward.

On the right, you don't see quite the same link up between Mo and TAA. They do work well together but there isn't quite that same understanding. Is that down to experience or personality? I'm not sure.
Personality, Hendo and TAA have an excellent understanding in fact with Hendo on the right I don't think there's much difference between our right and left sides. The only thing to say is that Salah seems to be over thinking things. Yesterday for example he would hve 3 opportunities to hit it with his left foot but then he would put the ball on his right and miss the goal all together. Salah just needs to start hitting the ball with his left toward the goal imo for our left side to look as good as our right.