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Post match: Chelsea v Liverpool (EPL 22/9/19 4.30pm)

Match of the match

  • Adrian

    Votes: 71 44.4%
  • Alexander-Arnold [GOAL 14’]

    Votes: 24 15.0%
  • Matip

    Votes: 90 56.3%
  • Van Dijk

    Votes: 8 5.0%
  • Robertson

    Votes: 11 6.9%
  • Fabinho

    Votes: 42 26.3%
  • Henderson [off 83’]

    Votes: 16 10.0%
  • Wijnaldum

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Salah [90+2’]

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Firmino [GOAL 30’]

    Votes: 14 8.8%
  • Mane [off 71’]

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Milner [on 71’]

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lallana [on 83’]

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • Gomez [on 90+2]

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Total voters
    160
  • Poll closed .

Craig_Johnston

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People saying we look tired, but it’s only our sixth league match. We really should have signed a forward who is on a level with our current front three. They would all get plenty of game time and it would keep things fresh. Brewster’s an unknown quantity, Origi just isn’t good enough and Shaq isn’t trusted for some reason. It’s great that we’re in such a good position, but we were flying last season until January and then the lack of squad depth cost us. Concerned about a repeat this time
 


Incognito

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People saying we look tired, but it’s only our sixth league match. We really should have signed a forward who is on a level with our current front three. They would all get plenty of game time and it would keep things fresh. Brewster’s an unknown quantity, Origi just isn’t good enough and Shaq isn’t trusted for some reason. It’s great that we’re in such a good position, but we were flying last season until January and then the lack of squad depth cost us. Concerned about a repeat this time
Think this has been discussed at lengths during the summer- CF and a LB. But just perhaps a CF who is as good as the front 3, isn't costly, not fussed to be benched and won't disrupt out wage structure may not have existed at that time?

Also, I think we usually tire out during this Sept-Oct period around, happened last year as well. Check this post match thread first page-

 
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ptt

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Has anybody else woken up today with a strangely euphoric feeling? City scored 8 and it did them no good, United lost and we just won a game in an almost clinically procedural manner. Exactly the kind of win that leads to big silver things covered in ribbons. And with our second choice keeper. Happy days my red friends :)
 

Billy Biskix

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Also, I think we usually tire out during this Sept-Oct period around, happened last year as well. Check this post match thread first page-

I was going to make reference to the Huddersfield game too. We were hanging on then against one of the worst PL teams ever. Yesterday reminded me of the end of that game although Chelsea are obviously a much better team and were always going to cause us problems particularly with Kante back.

Tiredness was a factor yesterday in the second half, mainly in midfield which is why we started dropping off. Klopp rarely rotates much early on so it's completely normal. We have to get off to a good start so he's going to stick with his strongest players for the first few games. From now on we'll start seeing some mild rotation. Shaqiri, Gomez, Keita and so on coming in for the odd game here and there. In previous seasons we've hit top gear and fitness around about Christmas when the fixtures are at their most intensive, then there are the winter camps which seem designed to re-condition us for the second half of the season. I do think that the high line we are playing now contributes to the tiredness because it's a very intense way to play but that's probably a discussion for another thread.
 



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The first half was very good, second half they really came out firing, I felt like I'd been holding by breath for the final half hour. We hung on some of the defending was immense. Alonso never seemed to stop with those crosses. So thrilled with the win.

Trent's goal was pure class.
 
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koptician

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Did I ever tell you how much I loathe Martin Tyler, he doesn’t even try and hide his bias.. Martin the technology showed it was offside.. Yes we can trust technology.. Stop crying you melt.
BV (Before VAR)

Tyler: "That was an offside goal for Liverpool, shouldn't have stood (offside by Mo's arm hairs)"

AV (After VAR)

Tyler: "Waah Waah what is this newfangled technology bollocks, how can a goal against Liverpool be offside (Mount's foot, clear offside by the law)"

Muppet
 

waldaz

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Before the game I thought a draw would have been an ok result, although doing a Spurs and throwing away a 2 goal lead would have been really annoying. Great hard fought win, perfect response after Napoli! Now for the b-team cup.
 



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The first half was very good, second half they really came out firing, I felt like I'd been holding by breath for the final half hour. We hung on some of the defending was immense. Alonso never seemed to stop with those crosses. So thrilled with the win.

Trent's goal was pure class.
It was something the commentators here were banging on about endlessly, but if we've got Virgil and Matip in the box defending them, then let them try and beat us like that. Klopp said as much after the game that this is why we didnt do more to try to limit the supply.
 

William Clarke

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My MotM = 1 - Trent 2 - Bobby 3 - Adrian
We bossed that game for 55 to 65 minutes and only after Kanté waltzed through and scored admittedly a good goal did Chelski look threatening. They hit a header and shot wide of our posts, but that’s all they did. It was a case of them huffing and puffing but not blowing our house down. Citeh were near creaming themselves having scored eight past a woeful Watford who are surely on their way down with their lousy performances so far this season, but as Jürgen said it’s not the goals scored but the points gained.
YNWA ~ Come on you Reds!
 

melbournered

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I was going to make reference to the Huddersfield game too. We were hanging on then against one of the worst PL teams ever. Yesterday reminded me of the end of that game although Chelsea are obviously a much better team and were always going to cause us problems particularly with Kante back.

Tiredness was a factor yesterday in the second half, mainly in midfield which is why we started dropping off. Klopp rarely rotates much early on so it's completely normal. We have to get off to a good start so he's going to stick with his strongest players for the first few games. From now on we'll start seeing some mild rotation. Shaqiri, Gomez, Keita and so on coming in for the odd game here and there. In previous seasons we've hit top gear and fitness around about Christmas when the fixtures are at their most intensive, then there are the winter camps which seem designed to re-condition us for the second half of the season. I do think that the high line we are playing now contributes to the tiredness because it's a very intense way to play but that's probably a discussion for another thread.
I have a view on that,but not now, as i'm going to bed!
 



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If we come up against teams with full-backs that have the ability of Trent & Robbo to deliver the ball from out wide I feel we will come unstuck as we are giving up way too much space & time out wide to fullbacks/wide players.

NB Thankfully not many players with Trent's & Robbo's quality :)
I don't go along with this. I feel we are improving defensively and one reason for this is we are remaining more compact at the back. This means our Full backs aren't coverinbg as wide as they used to however the defense is better for it. For me our near post CB is still getting pulled too wide and Chelseas were trying to exploit this as others have. This often means our CB's lose the central striker and our far post full back is being forced to intervene here. The knock on effect of this is causing some problems.
It was interesting when Gomez came on TAA and Robertson pushed up and stabilise our midfield. We looked better Robbo even lead a counter charge.
This causes me to think that the problem is the midfield when we drop deep. 3 isn't enough we need to cover wider with the midfield by getting an extra man or 2 in there (which might even mean that our CB's don't feel the necessity to get pulled so wide.
Anyway Ifeelwe are a little tweek away from getting a massive improvement as we have been tweeking and making small improvements from the start of the season from what I have been seeing.
Mind you as I am not a fan of 3 at the back, as it tends to go to 5 at the back rather than actually push more players into midfield, i still have a worry if Klopp sees this as an answer (even if VVD Matip and Gomez look like a great fit for it with their complimentary skill sets).
 

BostonMick

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I'm struck by all of the posts saying that we looked tired
I was watching the match in the second half before we subbed anyone (before we started to lose our grip) - and was thinking to myself "Good God, are these the fittest 11 players in the PL?" - I was struck with how much running off the ball everyone appeared to be doing.
 

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Maybe this has been answered before - if so sorry - but what was the beef between Hendo and Jorginio(sp?)
looked like there was some bad blood there - from before or just in this match?
 

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You have to acknowledge the fact that we were under pressure for the last twenty minutes, but we could and should have been out of sight at that stage. We had enough chances for the third goal, and that would have seriously deflated Chelsea, and the last twenty would have been comfortable.

That said, we withstood the test and that is s major positive in fairness. Matip must be frustrating Joe Gomez, as he is fast becoming a first choice player. In fact, but for Trents attacking qualities Joe would be better concentrating on right back. Oversll, its a win from a pressured position. The only major gripe is we probably needed that third goal.
 



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Well deserved win for our mighty REDS! UP YOU FUCKING beautiful footbal Players in RED!
We gave them all and it was enough. 3 Points well deserved.
keeping back in mind the intensity of the game we had against the Napoli, i was more that satisfied how we did it at the brocken bridge.
That run from Robo in the last couple of minutes made my Day. My MOTD Hero. Adrian and Matip ehh all of them need a Mention of Honour as well.
I m delighted. Our away Supporters are the best!YNWA
 



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With this excellent result we go back into the lead in Premier League matches against the EPL's second most decorated side. 21-20 wins (with a lot of draws; 14).
 
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Arminius

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Could not watch it live, so very diligently avoid all contact/media until late yesterday afternoon to watch it. Some thoughts:

1. Was that a Henderson play call on the TAA free kick goal? He seemed to go in as if he was taking charge, i.e. he was going to take it, then that happened.

2. Adrian continues to impress. I actually feel for him, he deserves more clean sheets than he has earned, that was a superb display yesterday. Plus, I like him as a sportsman, he knew right away he had clocked Abraham with a knee, and threw the ball out for treatment. I dislike the norm of putting it out of play when someone is play-acting and wants the magic water bottle, but that contact was potentially serious and the ball was not really in play. I am hoping we get some solid Cup runs so Adrian can continue to get games when Alisson returns.

3. The defence ain't great. If we aren't getting intense pressure on the ball, the defensive play collectively is not that good, despite some standout performances (Matip was excellent). Statistically, the best defence in the league by several measures, including the goals allowed one that matters, but there are loads of little problems to work on there.

4. Set pieces! A bit of a half-full, half-empty glass to get two goals from set pieces, but none from open play. Takes nothing away from superb execution though.

5. Second half was just weird, and probably because of fatigue. In the first 10 minutes, carried the play to Chelsea, and could have made it 4-0. Then, things seemed to slip. Most worrisome for me was not the goal, but the response to the goal. We played worse, by and large, after their goal than beforehand. Shakier defensively, poor ball pressure, and ineffective in possession. I thought the Lallana sub might have been Klopp hoping to see him key some better pressing the way he did a couple of seasons ago.

Still, I think that Chelsea side is better than their position in the table, and it will be a better 3 points the further we move into the season. Job done for the result and 3 points, and a performance that will warn against complacency.