Post Match: Huddersfield v Liverpool (EPL 20/10/2018 5.30pm)

Man of the Match

  • Alisson

    Votes: 4 3.1%
  • Gomez

    Votes: 46 35.9%
  • Lovren

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Van Dijk

    Votes: 15 11.7%
  • Robertson

    Votes: 6 4.7%
  • Milner [off 77’]

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Henderson [off 46’]

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lallana [off 70’]

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • Shaqiri

    Votes: 30 23.4%
  • Salah [GOAL 23’]

    Votes: 13 10.2%
  • Sturridge

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Wijnaldum [on 46’]

    Votes: 8 6.3%
  • Fabinho [on 70’]

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Milner [on 77’]

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    128
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I’m going to go against the grain and say that wasn’t a good defensive display. We let them in time and time again and ride our luck. We were lucky Huddersfield had nothing to offer. If that performance comes against any of 17 other teams in the league we get beat.

Lovren was awful. Any number of positioning errors, the notable one where he allows a free header by completely losing his man. Moving Gomez out of the middle is fucking ridiculous. His performances should have locked in that centre back position. It’s a disgraceful example to set to young players at the club.
Lovren was awful indeed; although we get railed for not taking our chances, we had one yesterday,and slamski, back of the net. The real culprit was our midfield, it lacked everything. Lallana was also in headless chicken mode. He reminded me of a toddler trying to put on an glove tied across the shoulders by elastic.
 

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A win is a win.
Lovren was good.

But we still seem disjointed. Struggled to create any real chances against one of the worst teams in the league.
Midfield seems to lack cohesion.
And defence yesterday wasn’t As good as the clean sheet suggests. We looked a bit unsure at the back and for a team that can’t score a goal, Huddersfield got into a lot of good positions. I feel the clean sheet was more to them being crap than us performing a defensive masterclass.

But then we haven’t hit top gear all season. Something isn’t right, yet our form couldn’t be better.
Have to disagree about Lovren. Got lost under the ball for their header, tried a fairy flick after VVD missed a ball himself and dived in on his man at the edge of the area in injury time and let him have the freedom to waltz into the area. That's not good. His general play in most times is really good but those lapses in concentration... all too familiar.
 

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Have to disagree about Lovren. Got lost under the ball for their header, tried a fairy flick after VVD missed a ball himself and dived in on his man at the edge of the area in injury time and let him have the freedom to waltz into the area. That's not good. His general play in most times is really good but those lapses in concentration... all too familiar.
Have to agree with you [email protected], I think we got away with a victory there, any other day and any of those 3 mistakes could have cost us, and with all due respect to Huddersfield I would imagine any of the top 6 would have punished us with any of Lovrens errors.
Not sure why Trent isn't playing, but I'm much more comfortable with Gomez partnering VVD with Trent at RB.
If I were the opposing manager I'd target Lovren all game and you'd end up having a couple of chances for a goal or shot on target.

Other than that, I'm sill not concerned with our front line, thought Sturridge worked as hard as I've ever seen him in a red shirt and Shaquiri was decent. Having said that a few more goals each game wouldn't go amiss seeing as the goal difference is starting to get bigger.
 

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Have to disagree about Lovren. Got lost under the ball for their header, tried a fairy flick after VVD missed a ball himself and dived in on his man at the edge of the area in injury time and let him have the freedom to waltz into the area. That's not good. His general play in most times is really good but those lapses in concentration... all too familiar.
That's because it was behind him, he couldn't do anything else. I thought he defended that situation well and it was a big mistake from VVD.


Have to agree with you [email protected], I think we got away with a victory there, any other day and any of those 3 mistakes could have cost us, and with all due respect to Huddersfield I would imagine any of the top 6 would have punished us with any of Lovrens errors.
We drew 0-0 with City last week and it was VVD who nearly gifted them a goal. I don't understand this nitpicking with Lovren, he's been playing well for a year now.
 
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Have to disagree about Lovren. Got lost under the ball for their header, tried a fairy flick after VVD missed a ball himself and dived in on his man at the edge of the area in injury time and let him have the freedom to waltz into the area. That's not good. His general play in most times is really good but those lapses in concentration... all too familiar.
Mountain. Molehill.
 

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Which is more than we created. On the balance of play Huddersfield deserved a point, perhaps even the win.
If you change the team names to Cardiff v Huddersfield and watch the same game I doubt you would walk away going "damn, Huddersfield were unlucky".

We had the two best chances of the game, Salah scored one and missed the other.

Both sides played poorly, we just expected Huddersfield to be bad.
 

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Just watched the recording of the game. I don’t think we were really threatened but we also didn’t create any cohesive threat ourselves.
Too many players not understanding our winning formula of fast crisp forward passing and press. Time and time again the ball moved in the wrong direction when a quick break was on, allowing Huddersfield to regroup.
Whilst that’s not hugely surprising given the midfield set up and the inclusion of three rusty players, it is a bit of a worry that our winning system doesn’t seem to be getting enforced on the training pitch.
I know that this was the perfect game for rotation and resting key players but even with those first choices we have shown the same lack of positive and cohesive attacking play that made teams fear us.
Could it be that all this talk of “defensive improvement at the back” has become too much of a focus and affected the way we play?
 

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Regards the creativity
We were scoring bags of goals and playing great stuff after Coutinho left us last season so I don't see that argument.
Salah, Mane and Firmino's good form began when Coutinho was still at the club, in around October. That form stayed until the end of the season. To say our attacking play is desperately missing Coutinho is wrong, but to suggest his presence made little difference to the form of the other 3 last season is just as wrong. How much Coutinho's good form helped the form of the 3 mentioned above is anyone's guess though. Cou would definitely have been the main 'target' by defenders so the others would have had less pressure, whereas now everyone is doing a shutdown job on Salah.
 

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Have to disagree about Lovren. Got lost under the ball for their header, tried a fairy flick after VVD missed a ball himself and dived in on his man at the edge of the area in injury time and let him have the freedom to waltz into the area. That's not good. His general play in most times is really good but those lapses in concentration... all too familiar.
Yeah, not sure why he dived in on that one, very unnecessary and something he does all the time.
Not sure why Trent isn't playing, but I'm much more comfortable with Gomez partnering VVD with Trent at RB.
If I were the opposing manager I'd target Lovren all game and you'd end up having a couple of chances for a goal or shot on target.
I think Alexander-Arnold suffering from a big dip in form since the last couple matches he played, especially against Napoli. Probably why Klopp took him out and gave him a bit of a breather before putting him back on. I don't like seeing Lovren playing there instead of Gomez, and if we can do without playing that Croatian super defender in league matches, I am all for it.
 

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Loved the performance of Gomez, doesn't matter where he plays, he's consistently brilliant these days isn't he? Would like to see him in the middle alongside Virgil though, prefer him to Lovren.
They are both brilliant defenders and we are so incredibly lucky to have 2 (arguably 3) defenders to partner VVD without any drop off in quality such is their form atm. I couldn't care less who partners VVD quite frankly.
 

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I’m going to go against the grain and say that wasn’t a good defensive display. We let them in time and time again and ride our luck. We were lucky Huddersfield had nothing to offer. If that performance comes against any of 17 other teams in the league we get beat.

Lovren was awful. Any number of positioning errors, the notable one where he allows a free header by completely losing his man. Moving Gomez out of the middle is fucking ridiculous. His performances should have locked in that centre back position. It’s a disgraceful example to set to young players at the club.
I mentioned to my lad I hoped Klopp wasn't 'accomodating' Lovren for some reason, it seems really strange given we have 2 fit right backs available plus Fabinho plays there for Brazil. It takes something from us offensively as well even though Trent hasn't been at his best.

Reading through this thread would be really confusing to anyone who hasn't seen the match. There's a real diversity of opinion on how certain people played, mainly Lovren, Salah and Lallana. Fwiw I thought Lovren was Lovren, Salah was dreadful apart from his goal and Lallana showed something we've been missing but his rustiness probably stopped him using it to it's full effect.
 

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I thought Lallana played well, which is a real concern, as he did nothing wrong and kept working yet offered absolutely nothing to the team.

There is no future for him out wide. He simply has to be a central player in order to be in the team, he doesn't have the pace or 1v1 ability to be a weapon out there and that leads to games like yesterday, where despite playing well he is almost entirely anonymous.
 

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Gomez ahead of TAA at right back made sense as Huddersfield's principle weapon of attack is the long throw to the near post. Gomez is miles better than TAA in the air. This was one aspect of the defensive performance that worked well as they had no joy from any of them during the game. For me Gomez was our best player yesterday so if he's upset about losing his CB place to Lovren (who was our best defender against City) then he's not letting it show.
 

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I mentioned to my lad I hoped Klopp wasn't 'accomodating' Lovren for some reason, it seems really strange given we have 2 fit right backs available plus Fabinho plays there for Brazil.
Knowing Klopp, Lovren has the CB spot because he deserves it.
 

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I didn't see this one but I get the impression from the brief highlights that I have seen that we have again pushed our luck. That for me is a concern because it will catch up with you ultimately. We need to get better.

I get the impression that the midfield balance is just all wrong at the moment
 

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Could very well be the case that Trent trained like shit during the week, and JK, being the vastly experienced manager that he is, realised that you often play how you train and consequently that, a.) Dejan deserved to be in the team, and b.) Trent (and the team of course) would be better served in the long run by another week on the pine.

I am not at all happy with how we are playing, but the manager has delivered us 23 points out of 27 whilst conceding three goals in a nine game run that included City and away games at Chelsea and Spurs. Not too shabby...bring on Cardiff and the Arse.
 

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Every 3 points are important, no matter who we go up against. Problem starts when you get complacent thinking defence will bail you out. Huddersfield could have easily drew level with one handball incident and that thunderbolt that hit the bar. If we win narrowly while creating shit loads of chances, I don't mind it, but we were awful in attack yesterday.

Many thought our confidence must be high with what we've done, I see it very differently. If our confidence is sky high, we would have been more fluid in play and we would have torn the opposing team apart. This is Huddersfield, and going up 1 goal and shutting shop up does not spell high in confidence.

I am glad to see Klopp is irritated by the performance.
For a change eddie, lets be happy that we have some luck coming our way. We have had shit refs, shit decisions over the years.
Ofcourse, performance must and will improve. This is uncharted territory for many of us, Winning ugly inspite of being below average
 

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Back to winning ways. Three points. Nowhere near good enough. What's happened to the free flowing high energy football we saw in the Pre and early season. We had to hang on (just) against a woeful Huddersfield side that will almost certainly be in the relegation fight this season. Mo looked sharper in the first half and scored a great goal but from there it all went downhill for me. Thought both full backs, Shaq and Gini when he came on had decent games but the rest of the outfield players really struggled for form. Gave Gomez MOM. Really need a good sort out.
 

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Great win IMO. Tough game for the "B" side but we manage to not slide in the banana skin and actually grind out the three points to keep us in the race. With CL coming up we did excatly what we needed to do, win with as less effort as possible to be in as favorable a position to win the must win CL game coming up, that may look like a walk over but could ruin the whole european campaign if failing. I respect klopp for not treating midweek game as a god giving win and actually make sure we field a side that is gonna win it. I reckon he was so angry on the side line towards the end cause he knew he took a risk against huddersfield with that line up but thankfully it paid off.
 

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For a change eddie, lets be happy that we have some luck coming our way. We have had shit refs, shit decisions over the years.
Ofcourse, performance must and will improve. This is uncharted territory for many of us, Winning ugly inspite of being below average
Riding on luck is a dangerous thing. If this were a result of us playing against any of the top 10 side, I might have agreed with you, but this is Huddersfield, a team everyone seemed to be spanking for fun and we found it difficult to break them down. That to me isn't a good sign of confidence. We should be running riot against these type of teams, and riding our luck on a much difficult away fixtures.
 

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I didn't see this one but I get the impression from the brief highlights that I have seen that we have again pushed our luck. That for me is a concern because it will catch up with you ultimately. We need to get better.

I get the impression that the midfield balance is just all wrong at the moment
I worry Klopp is aware of spreading insecurity (attack> midfield> and if it's not stopped, > defence) but has pinned so much on results going well he'll be slow to react unless we get beaten two or three games running. If this doesn't happen all the better, but...
 

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Far from perfect performance but for years we've struggled to win ugly so I'm more than happy with the result. I'm thrilled with another clean sheet.
Great to see Mo scoring again and good assist from Shaquiri too.
 



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I thought lovren had a decent game. Was dominant in the air.
VVD seems to be immune from any mistake whilst lovren gets slated. Personally I think VVD is slightly off form at the minute.
Gomez is the pick of the bunch right now.

But mostly I’m pleased because if this is our bad form patch, the fact we are grinding out wins and draws is a good sign.
And I’m hoping lallana has been resurrected the same way Sturridge has been.
 

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I think the key thing that I’m sure some have pointed out is that last year we were incredible going forwards and before January, a shambles at the back. Those of footballing wisdom said that we’d win nothing without a strong defence. Now we have that, we’re winning ugly and have the same number of points as an unbelievable City team sat top. There’s no down side to this except the one you choose to see. Klopp’s doing it his way and the tweeks he’s made are generating more points which ultimately is what matters.

When we eventually click, the PL will tremble.
 

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Are we riding our luck? Seriously? And if we are don’t most sides do this during the course of a season?

I was watching stuff like this back in the ‘70s. I think some of us need to get our heads around the concept that the other side is there to stop us from winning. They have their own agenda ....... in Huddersfield’s case every single point is precious but for a completely different reason ....... to avoid relegation. This is a very competitive league.

Firstly we have to give Huddersfield credit, they played well. That said, they won’t have a better opportunity to take points off a Top Six side and they failed. Oliver pretty much gave them free licence to take out anything wearing a red shirt without the threat of cards. That does go a long way towards evening out the playing field between sides of differing ability levels.

Klopp has assembled a quality squad but he’s only just arrived at a position where he has been able to start integrating the full squad into our fixture list because of the ridiculous playing schedule that we started the season with. That also initially causes disruption to the the flow of our play.

Add in the fact that we are clearly off colour anyway, that our forwards have struggled to get their individual and collective mojos together, and that our midfield has been constantly disrupted by injuries - Keita, Henderson and Milner - then there are mitigating factors.

I accept that we are not playing as well as we, and no doubt Klopp, would like us to be playing. But we’re winning matches that would have resulted in dropped points as recently as last season. It hasn’t all kicked into place yet but the EPL Table doesn’t lie. If you think that we continue to have issues in our play and then come away with the points and then finally look at the EPL Table then you should get a better perspective.

I can’t guarantee that we won’t drop points ....... it is after all normal even for top teams to drop points from time to time. With each game we win the pressure gets greater not less especially when you are up against the likes of Man City and have Chelsea and Spurs breathing down your neck. But we’re right there in the mix despite all the concerns expressed on here on a daily basis. That has to mean something good is going on here right now.