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POST MATCH: Liverpool 1-1 Newcastle United

WrinkledMind

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People didn't say that about Kenny.
I am sorry but Kenny splashed 100 mil, on utter mediocrity.
And many times, the team ran like headless chickens.Yeah Sure the defense looked brilliant--and we know who was responsible for that.

I might sound harsh there.I love Kenny myself and have tremendous respct for him, for his contribution to the club over years.But under BR we look like a side with tactics and plan.Just like we did under Rafa.
He needs plauyers that he wants and TIME.
 


indianscouser

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People didn't say that about Kenny.
dont get me wrong, i always supported kenny and still feel it was a big mistake to axe him. But i am convinced that in the longer run, rogers is the man.
And there is nothing we can do. Move on, BR deserves our support, atleast i can see he is giving it his best. I hope the players do that too, thats what we fans want to see.
 

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No, we didn't deserve anymore from it. That goal from Suarez is a f*cking miracle. Otherwise, it would have been 0-1. Nothing to celebrate or put false hopes up here. There won't be any karma rescuing us in the future.

That team is mediocre, full stop. I expect us to stay around that 12th position during the whole season.
Agreed with the goal sentiment. More lucky punt and great control by Suarez than anything worked out to plan.

I'm hoping for that jan reinforcement to show us if we can pick any good buy to shore up our expectedly ordinary season
 

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deserved to win but didn't.same problem as last season.we need more goals in the team.it's all we lacked last season and it's all we lack this season.
 

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I thought there was something really obvious that supporters talk about, and I assumed our management is aware of it.

The "no men in the box" principle, aka "let's watch Luis run while we stand still" situation.

So because we have no other strikers with Fabio out, does that mean that NOBODY, NOBODY from the middle can learn how to do it?

Jonjo knows it well and he did it just seconds after he came on.

Why isn't our captain being placed upfront like in the Fernando days? What about Sahin?

Really concerned about our inability to recognize this.
A proper centre forward needs to arrive in January and Suarez moved to one of the wider roles. He is so creative in those wider areas but because he's so unpredictable the midfielders are now hesitant to commit to runs into the box as we keep getting caught on the counter. An out and out central player will hold that position in the box, occupy centre backs and allow Luis to isolate full backs and give him an option to pass to when he beats his man.

If you look at their goal today and the number of players they had in the box when Ben Arfa went at Enrique there was Ba, Cisse and Cabaye. When Suarez gets in those similar positions and goes at full backs we're lucky to have the wide player from the other side in the box and are relying on midfielders getting in there to make up the numbers. If the ball is then cleared they've by passed half the midfield who are making up the numbers in the box and we're massively vulnerable.

Our "no men in the box" problem is as a result of our man whose meant to be in the box also being the player whose out wider creating the chances.
 



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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20199963#TWEET333316

:D
 

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There was a sprinkler accident at halftime. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20199963 Why were the stewards just standing there while the supporters were getting drenched? I'm sure they called it off but some fans were buggered that they got drenched! Still funn though
Don't be surprised that our first signing is a sprinkler...

WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING BRINGING ON DOWNING? Should be more like Being:Midtable Mediocrity
well, only BR knows....

I dont' think Downing did poorly though. He created a few good chances.
i only can remember one good one which is the shelvey's header....
 

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Not really. Big difference between the two.

Uncle Woy had us playing absolutely shite football, and brought in old, shite players such as Konchesky, Poulsen and Cole.

Rodgers has us playing some beautiful football, and you can see has a vision for the team. To compliment that vision, he's brought exciting youngsters like Wisdom, Sterling, Suso into the team, as well as getting others like Allen and Sahin in. Both a class above those that Hodgson brought in.

We could only see ourselves going backwards under Hodgson.

Under Rodgers, we can only see ourselves moving forward.

Yes, we played well for parts of the game. Things could have gone better. Shelvey could have had a hat trick in different circumstances.

But fans are willing to give Rodgers time. They can see and are buying into his project.
Dont disagree with you but how long are fans going to give him. If I am honest he has wasted 12 mill on Borini and 15 mill on Allen. Our priority was a striker- we were creating loads of chances last season and not taking them. He lets Carroll go and doesnt replace him (Everyone is blaming Ayre but Rodgers is not blameless in this episode).
 



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WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING BRINGING ON DOWNING?

Should be more like Being:Midtable Mediocrity
I find myself trying to defend that decision for once. Does he take better corners than other players out on pitch? Does he provide more spark And attacking impetus? The sad answer is no. FFs, I was asking for Assaidi and was given a downing. Fr that matter hope Assaidi Was on bench

 

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Downing was also decent in the first half against Swans and won us the game with Anzi, too many people being too harsh on him i think.
If I'm looking to create something/win a match and I glance down my bench to see Asaidi and Stewart downing both sitting there, I know who I'd bring on.
 

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Im not so sure, heres a slow montion




Notice how Jones, starts crouching too early and is too far to the left. Making the recovery position more difficult (he was in near enough right position in end) but because the distance he had to recover was too far, he could not react in time to the shot.

For my money a better keeper would have a good chance of tipping that over the bar
How do you guys get these gifs so quickly?!? I've seen times when reina would be helpless in similar situation just because of the short distance. No one was marking cabaye and benarfa for all his quality knew the forwards were marked so he crossed it to the open man.
 

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The big mistake that BR made today was to bring downing ahead of assaidi.
more such results and we would running out of confidence. Its a vicious circle, just win, no matter what.
Well if we are talking selection and approach, I dissagree. The biggest problem was predictably we start with the same 11 against most teams.

Since we (and our manager) believe in Lucas's role in the MF, and will likely play with Joe and either Stevie or Nuri (if he's still around) we are admitting what?

That we need a stronger DM.

Then why are we starting without any cover in the midfield (with a tired Captain and a light weight in Nuri)?

We should have started with Joe, Jordan and Jonjo in the middle.

And with Raheem (left), Luis (CF) and Captain (right).
 



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Well if we are talking selection and approach, I dissagree. The biggest problem was predictably we start with the same 11 against most teams.

Since we (and our manager) believe in Lucas's role in the MF, and will likely play with Joe and either Stevie or Nuri (if he's still around) we are admitting what?

That we need a stronger DM.

Then why are we starting without any cover in the midfield (with a tired Captain and a light weight in Nuri)?

We should have started with Joe, Jordan and Jonjo in the middle.

And with Raheem (left), Luis (CF) and Captain (right).
We need to get past the fact that this is never going to happen. It hasn't happened yet, and Stevie hasn't played anything but CM. He hasn't even played AM. He won't be a forward, the rest of his career will be spent in midfield. Sorry to burst your bubble
 

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Well if we are talking selection and approach, I dissagree. The biggest problem was predictably we start with the same 11 against most teams.

Since we (and our manager) believe in Lucas's role in the MF, and will likely play with Joe and either Stevie or Nuri (if he's still around) we are admitting what?

That we need a stronger DM.

Then why are we starting without any cover in the midfield (with a tired Captain and a light weight in Nuri)?

We should have started with Joe, Jordan and Jonjo in the middle.

And with Raheem (left), Luis (CF) and Captain (right).
I was referring to this game, the substitution. But what you said is also spot on, too predictable. I would have probably gone for assaidi over suso.
And pushing gerrard ahead? well its a bit risky considering lucas is out and allen and sahin are great when it comes to breaking up play. Thats a idea i would like us to try though.
 

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Well if we are talking selection and approach, I dissagree. The biggest problem was predictably we start with the same 11 against most teams.

Since we (and our manager) believe in Lucas's role in the MF, and will likely play with Joe and either Stevie or Nuri (if he's still around) we are admitting what?

That we need a stronger DM.

Then why are we starting without any cover in the midfield (with a tired Captain and a light weight in Nuri)?

We should have started with Joe, Jordan and Jonjo in the middle.

And with Raheem (left), Luis (CF) and Captain (right).
hmm, actually why some of us here or for the fact brendan rodgers don't see the need for a midfield ball winner to protect the back four? lucas was out on an extended period, and allen tbh is not someone who can win the ball from someone bigger than him most of the time...why we didn't get someone who's more of a deep-lying playmaker who can tackle decently is still a mystery...


if u look at most teams that are fairing better than us at the moment, most of them have a defensive midfielder that specialises in protecting the back four and turning defence to attack....
 

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Sahin tends to get forward early on, when it's obvious our opponent will sit back and defend when we're at home, but then plays a bit more cautiously later on. Can't say I fault this tactically, as Allen needs help otherwise. We shouldn't need either of these players in order to score. We have 4 other players plus a fullback to get in and around the box. But Gerrard was looking a bit labored today and unfortunately Suso & Sterling couldn't finish.

Thing is that Allen isn't a deep lying playmaker. He needs to get forward a bit, play those short balls and interact with his teammates. The fact that he also has to cover the back 4 really ruins the utility of Allen. And Sahin still doesn't look match fit. They all rotate but it seems to take away from all of their strengths rather than add. I wonder why Jordan Henderson can't play the Leon Britton role next to Allen so Gerrard can just stay high up?

We need a proper striker. We have no pivot up top for people to count on. I think Borini could have put one away in this game.
 



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He needs to stop starting Suso.
If he doesn't play Gerrard on the right(which he should----Cause Stevie is our BEST FINISHER), the least BR could do is play Sterling on right & Assaidi on the left.
 

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The gifs are from 101 goals

Problem I have with Jones though is his starting position

You can just make it out here.


Instead of going more towards the center of the goal (as the angle got narrowed by our defenders) he went towards the ball/inside post. This mistake left him unable to recover properly, making it more difficult for cabaye goal, as he didnt have the reflexes to make the save.
 

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Better in the second half, haven't got the finishing and we won't have til January, delivery was poor I think we are going have to to try and get the odd win and muddle on til January.

One word on the ref mind, I thought he had a good game, missed the red card as I went to the Gym but up til around 75 mins he looked ok.

And that's all I'm saying as we are just analysing the same things, which to the most problem can't be solved until January, that is the fault of the owners mainly but also Rodgers, he needs to look at Morgan, hopefully he gets a chance in Russia which will probably be our second string as it is in Europe on the road.

Until that folks, I will reside in the unreliable transfers and hope Hunnterlaar signs a pre deadline agreement with us.
 

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Too many tactical mistakes by our manager for the game to be won ... He should have pushed Gerrard further forward, instead of playing Shelvey there, once Cabaye was replaced and after the red card ... Gerrard would have never missed all 3 of Shelvey's chances ... Also, introducing Downing ahead of Assaidi was a poor move ...
 



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Roy's first 10 games:
Arsenal, Man City, West Brom, Birmingham, Man United, Sunderland, Blackpool, Everton, Blackburn, Bolton.

Rodgers' first 10 games:
West Brom, Man City, Arsenal, Sunderland, Man United, Norwich, Reading, Stoke City, Everton, Newcastle.

Not much difference and he spent less money than Rodgers. I agree about the style of football but its results that count not performances.
If your comparing losing games playing soulless long ball football with Christian Poulsen, Paul Konchesky and Joe Cole under Roy to controlling games but losing with Suso, Sterling and Wisdom under Brendan you need your head checked!
 

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The gifs are from 101 goals

Problem I have with Jones though is his starting position

You can just make it ouF

Instead of going more towards the center of the goal (as the angle got narrowed by our defenders) he went towards the ball/inside post. This mistake left him unable to recover properly, making it more difficult for cabaye goal, as he didnt have the reflexes to make the save.
Appreciate your illustrated analysis mate. I find that whilst you may be right that positional ly he could have done better but overall I can't really fault jones for that goal.

The two most important error was first enrique allowing the cross in and no one picking out cabaye. All positioning in the world might be irrelevant given the finishing of cabaye in that instance anyway. Hence my point.

 

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I don't think Downing was the right choice, but he did just fine. We missed our opportunities, something our opposition wouldn't have. Young team we have, but they are growing and will continue to if we support them. BR has us playing dominant football........better finishing and we are winnnig these draws 9 out of 10 times. Give him time