hurry up, July 1st, let's get the show on the road
- Jun 23, 2003
i think the swansea fan pointed out it wasnt actually their a team either....
I think they had 6 or 7 that started at the weekend, start against us. To our solitary player in Joe Allen...not that it matters because the players we did use didnt exactly play up their their standard ( which still might not have been good enough but .... ).i think the swansea fan pointed out it wasnt actually their a team either....
i like we don't let the facts interfer with our thoughts.Back in the days our B team could take on the likes of Swansea. That's the gripe of most people, I guess.....
Getting thoroughly outplayed and losing by three goals to one at home is still hard to take in any competition, no matter who we put out.I really can't believe the reaction - it was a League Cup fixture, our B team against their A team. Yes we put Suarez & Gerrard on at half time - we don't have the squad to play to win every competition. Pretty simple stuff, I'd expect us to beat Swansea at home in a league fixture.
I can agree with you to some extent but city and utd had a go and although we did lose and draw those games our midfield didn't fold and we ending up very unlucky not to win both games.I feel if we had goals in this team other teams would be more cautious in attacking us which would ease pressure on the back line and midfield.Getting thoroughly outplayed and losing by three goals to one at home is still hard to take in any competition, no matter who we put out.
It was proved (to me at least) yet again that if the opposition want to really have a go at us, we usually fold as our midfield is too brittle; sometimes we hold out for a hard-fought draw if we're lucky but then there's always the chance that we'll lose. We drew against the bitters for instance but lost against Arsenal and Swansea. We badly need Lucas back or an adequate stand in so we can go toe-to-toe in the middle third when we have to.
None of those players listed, bar Maxi fit the Rodgers system, and Maxi was on high wages, so not really value for money. None of them would have made a jot of difference this season bar Carroll who would have offered something different, but as he undermines the style of play BR is trying to play it was kinda pointless keeping him. Adam and Spearing just weren't good enough, it's as simple as that.On the other side of the coin we let Kuyt,Maxi,Carroll, Bellamy, Spearing and Adam leave in the summer. Whilst we can make exuses : boyhood club, release clause, wanted first team football, truth is we were only too happy to let them leave (with wages appearing as underlying reason). Kenny/Comolli wasted considerable money, but lack of squad depth is equally FSG/Ayre/Rodgers fault.
I have to agree with this post. There is no way we can really compete with the big guns on the cheap. It cant be done. It is possible to find the odd cheap player who goes on to become a top player but they are the exception rather than the rule.Most will probably disagree with me but putting the blame on the players always seems to easy.
Who bought the players - The club.
Who pays the players wages - The club.
Who picks the team - The manager
Who picks the formation - The manager
Who trains the team- The manager
Who has the power to get rid of the players - The club
Who can buy the right players for the manager - The club
The players do what they are told on the pitch, how to do it and get paid. If they are not the right players it's not their fault.
As a manager you do the best with what you have, hence the fact that lots of kids are getting a chance, what we have in the first team is in the majority not good enough.
Poor tactical decisions, underestimating the opposotion and living in the past may be down to the manager.
However, the only way to stop us slipping into the tomes of history is for the owners, to make a simple choice.
Do they want to invest the millions required in order to make us great agin, within living memory or not?
If FSG are not willing to put the money in and buy the right players now, so that the youngsters can learn from the people who know how to play BR's way every day then sell up and concentrate on baseball where the statistics are more important than the result.
Watching us is like seeing a thoroughbread horse with a badly broken leg, it needs putting out of it's misery.
That is really really disappointing to hear - all I had was a stream, so that kind of detail did not make it through. Perhaps we are getting the side we deserve.Finally, the treatment of yound Samed Yesil was a disgrace. Young lad, making his Anfield debut (?) up front on his own against Swansea's big and experienced CB's getting ridiculous balls fired in at him from all angles and when he fails to control the ball the crowd all groan in unison? Left a nasty taste in my mouth that. He's a kid, he worked his socks off, he's needs our support not his confidence shattering.
Fair enough Orlando, you're probably right about that. But, as others have rightly pointed out, a run of a few wins would quickly put us in the hunt for 4th. If we can gather some momentum in the run up to January we might be able to attract some star quality players in the next transfer window and then who knows what might happen.To achieve what in the league Dodgy? End up 8th instead of 9th?
BTW, my Thursdays just opened up for the period of July 2013 to May 2014.
I'm just afraid I'll still go to the pub out of habit though.
Maybe I'll take up painting, bowling or even work out some times.
Without letting the likes of Bellamy, Kuyt and Maxi go there simply wouldn't be the money available to offer improved contracts to the likes of Skrtl, Agger and Suarez. That would leave us to over stretch finacially to keep our better players or risk loosing them as they look for better wages elsewhere. All three we let go were approaching the twighlight of careers, offering less and less in terms of playing performances and were preventing the younger players like Sterling and Suso from breaking through.I strongly disagree Zagueiro,
Ok putting on one side Carroll and Adam, who dont naturally fit Rodgers system. Bellamy, Maxi, Kuyt and Spearing all could have offered something. Yesterday would have been a perfect match for Spearing, not because he is a better DM, but because Allen looked knackered out there. Miss placed passes, looking leggy , simply looking tired, at a guess because he has played almost every game this season and there was no viable alternative.He clearly needed a rest, but Henderson could not cover, as he was in defence.
But there were other players who should not have started. While I fully agree with your sentiments about the crowd and Yesil if we are honest though he simply was not ready (which explains why he has not made the bench in PL games). Yesterday there was nothing there to indicate to me fitted the system better than Bellamy or Kuyt. Both of these could lead the line with far more threat, even Carroll not fitting the "system" would still have been a better option. A better option than using Suarez again (who as you say also looked tired)
Cole on the otherhand was as useless as a bag of potatoes, any of the above I would have had a preference to him yesterday, felt really let down by the player. Perhaps thats looking back with hindsight, but few would have picked him above Maxi.
We can say "they offer nothing to our future" but the fact is we need them today. We have injuries but nothing out of the ordinary, and injuries are the exact reason why you have squad depth. To say we are not better off with 5 international players in our second 11, when we are forced to play tired players, forced to play players out of position and forced to use youngsters (throwing them in at the deep end) is what I consider negligent.
You are right though none of the above are our future, and the freed up the wage bill BUT the huge problem people have is that there is no replacement. You certainly dont wait year(s) till a player develops or wait till can find them in the next window, thats cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Didn't see it.Without letting the likes of Bellamy, Kuyt and Maxi go there simply wouldn't be the money available to offer improved contracts to the likes of Skrtl, Agger and Suarez. That would leave us to over stretch finacially to keep our better players or risk loosing them as they look for better wages elsewhere. All three we let go were approaching the twighlight of careers, offering less and less in terms of playing performances and were preventing the younger players like Sterling and Suso from breaking through.
Im quite happy to see squad players and some younger players in the league cup and risk getting eliminated as they need some game time to see how they cope. Had we kept those three older players and had the likes of Sterling, Suso and Shelvey playing in games like last night then we might have gotten further in the league but we'd be sweating on the lack of improved contracts for our best players as there's no money to pay them and we'd risk seeing these exciting youngsters leaving to find first team football elsewhere. Tom Ince is the perfect example of that happening and without the game time they've had this season due to Maxi, Bellamy and Kuyt leaving we could easily have seen Sterling and Suso both pushing for moves away.
It's a long road and there will be bumps along the way but that side and performace last night was a hell of a lot better than when we went out to Northampton two seasons ago, now that was embarassing and worth getting angry about.
You'd probably be more depressed if you'd seen it as it wasn't a good performance. Saying that we had Henderson at right back, Carragher at centre back, Downing right wing, Joe Cole in the middle and a teenager up front starting his first game. If people thought we'd walk it with that team against what are a decent Premiership side then perhaps expectations need adjusting.Didn't see it.
Followed it on twitter.
Ruined a perfectly good Halloween.
Not IMO. Rodgers has freed up a massive amount of wage bill - shame he couldn't have freed up the millions we are paying Joe Cole and Stewart Downing to produce the square root of F8ck all each year as well. If we'd have kept any/some of the players you named we would have been prevented from buying BR type players.You are right though none of the above are our future, and the freed up the wage bill BUT the huge problem people have is that there is no replacement. You certainly dont wait year(s) till a player develops or wait till can find them in the next window, thats cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Me too. It is beyond me that a player needs a week rest. If they can't play 2/3 times a week they shouldn't be hereDissapointed we didnt start with Suarez, Gerrard and another "first teamer" as our starting line up was too weak against a well established footballing team Swansea team. Get ahead in the match and then take off Suarez etc as we are not even playing Newcastle till 4 on sunday - same as putting them on for second half but we may still have been in QF with a home tie against a Championship team. Given the teams left in it we could well have got further so I think it would have been worth it and I dont think it would have taken too much out of players.
Why BR played Henderson ( a hardworking midfielder) at full back I dont know and then compound it after by stating that Allen was on his own in midfield !! Thought Shelvey struggled but he was probably stuck between going forward and trying to help out Allen so its no suprise we were light there. Could have played Carra right back ( or put Downing there ) and Coates with Agger or the "turtle" and Robinson on left.
Are you kidding? So now that Gerrard is 30+ years old and cant play 3 games week, he shouldn't be here?Me too. It is beyond me that a player needs a week rest. If they can't play 2/3 times a week they shouldn't be here
I am not 100% sure if we will finish above 8th this season - but i am also sure that wouldnt prompt the owners to let BR go... I think they have faith in BR and will be patient atleast for a few years...Also its interesting as in order to match King Kennys achievement last year we now have to finish higher than 8th ( which may be difficult if we don`t start picking up much more points) or win either the FA Cup or Europa League !
It suggests to me that FSG have told BR that trophies wont decide how long he stays in the short term anyway - but that we need the 4th or better spot.
Sorry, but what exactly do comments like this aim to do? Are people insisting that Rodgers should be sacked like Kenny if he doesn't do at least as well? Are people implicitly undermining support for the current manager by talking about the previous manager all the time? Not saying you personally mean ill by it, but I find these things to be unhelpful and making things unpleasant in the extreme for Rodgers.Also its interesting as in order to match King Kennys achievement last year we now have to finish higher than 8th ( which may be difficult if we don`t start picking up much more points) or win either the FA Cup or Europa League !