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POST MATCH: Liverpool 3-1 Manchester United (EPL), Sunday December 16th 2018, 16:00

MOTM

  • ALISSON Becker

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nathaniel CLYNE

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • Dejan LOVREN

    Votes: 3 1.4%
  • VIRGIL Van Dijk

    Votes: 2 1.0%
  • Andrew ROBERTSON

    Votes: 10 4.8%
  • Gini WIJNALDUM

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • FABINHO

    Votes: 128 61.5%
  • Naby KEITA (Off 70)

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Sadio MANE - G (Off 84)

    Votes: 6 2.9%
  • Roberto FIRMINO

    Votes: 12 5.8%
  • Mo SALAH

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Xerdan SHAQIRI - 2G (On 70)

    Votes: 38 18.3%
  • Jordan HENDERSON (On 84)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    208

Red_Jedi

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Just checked into my hotel in London. I’m exhausted, sans voice, and yet so content. @Red_Jedi texted me a little while ago asking if the experience lived up to all the folklores about Anfield.

It did. Easily.

I sat in section 208 of the Kop surrounded by the most passionate fans I have met. I made it to my seat at about 320 pm and flags were making their way through the Kop. I had goosebumps seeing the same flags I always see on tv. The color and pomp of the spectacle is something to behold. And then the voice of the Kop rises in thunderous unison welcoming the team and convincing Manc fans they are full of ****. Suddenly, YNWA reverberates through the stadium. I was caught between closing my eyes and then opening them to not miss the scenes and then closing them and then opening them. I’ll never forget it. It’s seared in my heart now.

I thought we outclassed the Mancs from the beginning, which added to the spirit of The Fields of Anfield Road and Liverpool We Love You. I was particularly happy to hear the Kop sing The Fields of Anfield Road several times as I think it is our most unique song. I had two young Danes sitting next to me who were an absolute delight and knew every song as well. I will admit that I pride myself on knowing Poor Scouser Tommy, but shamefully, I couldn’t keep up with the pace of the Kop’s singing. I’ll work on it.

Between all the singing, there was complete confidence in the Kop. Or at least strong evidence that strength is unity, and I never felt we’d lose. That’s quite different from my normal terrifying lonely viewing from my couch! The Kop erupted after Mane’s goal. It’s briliiant watching the leaping and the hugging between friends, families, and strangers. While the Mancs’ fluky goal then came out of nowhere, the Kop only took a second to recover and roared in song right away. Right there, you know you are in a special place as a fan and player and there will always be this faith to lift you.

The second half was perfect. Of course, I personally enjoyed Bobby’s movement and touches today. Thought he was brilliant. The Kop sang repeatedly in appreciation of Robo, Bobby, and Shaqiri, with Xherdan rapidly ascending to cult hero status. I could not believe how quickly time flew in that second half. I could not see the scoreboard from where I sat, and I could have sworn there were 7 minutes remaining when time ran out.

I wish it hadn’t. I could have sat there forever and smiled and sang. My ears are still ringing. My eyes are still seeing the colors of Anfield dance. I loved my time at the stadium. I loved my time in the city. The people were so welcoming, with everyone willing to talk football and share stories and give advice. I’m so thankful to them. I’m also thankful to TIA for having created this community of Reds fans. @Maria and @Red_Jedi went out of their way to spend time with me and answer questions that I’m sure they found silly. @ILLOK, @Commando, @7th Earl and @theres always tommorrow: thank you for your advice as well. I’m sorry we couldn’t meet, but we will. There’s just no way I’m not returning. I’m hooked.

YNWA
Sharing your story from planning this trip, to attending and then dealing with the aftermath that it actually did happen. Yes, it did happen. And you, yes you @Alright Now was part of the thunder that erupted several times from the Kop.

Just when the sweetest of victories couldn’t be sweeter you did so, by sharing your experience - and meeting you eyeball to eyeball.

I think we will see you soon. And I’ll be round when I’m in frisco next.

@Alright Now = Legend. You could write a book about just this match and the lead up. Extraordinary.
 

eng.amohd

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So where do I begin from? As Klopp said, this was the best performance from Liverpool since the great Klopp came in. The others, ironically, were against the blue half of Manchester! This game is exactly, in my opinion, who Klopp envisages the team to play this season. All the poor, grindy 1-0 games that I criticized the team's performance in, the team was meant to play like last night.

During the past meetings against the "special one", Liverpool was almost always the better side. Always more positive, and has more dangerous chances than their rivals. However, Mourinho's tactics are the bane of Liverpool of early Klopp's era. Liverpool were always the "cute" team, looking to play only sweet football, counter-press for 90 mins and scoring perfect team goals. Mourinho knows how to stop this. This combined with a dinosaur-era stray long ball towards forwards, Lukaku and Fellaini, would usually consign Liverpool to a derby defeat.

Not this Liverpool though.

After years of disappointment and evolution in Klopp's managerial career, he finally seemed to stray, slightly, from his football ideals and become more mature with the team. No longer would the team adopt the cavalier approach and attack for the entirety of the game. No longer would conceding early dishearten the team. No longer do team that throw the kitchen sink at us guarantee a goal or a point. No longer that misfiring attack means lost points. It is time that goalkeeper and defense would bail out a misfiring attack. It is time to hold firm on a lead, as slight as it may be. It is time to attack, stand-off and counter as necessary. It is time for this team to be champions.

No wonder this change in style and maturity came after Klopp has completed the restructuring of his team. First seasons he improved the attack, and then the midfield. The weak point was always the rearguard, hence it may be logical to rely heavily on a shining new attack to hide defensive frailty. It was not until Klopp brought in VVD, Alisson, Robertson, Fabinho and rediscovered Gomez, that the team was finally fully structured and ready to grow to the next level of maturity. This is what is happening this season. No longer we feel that we are a "van Dijk / Alisson away from being genuine contenders". Squad depth may need attention, and I expect the next two windows, but the core is in place, all geared up and operating well in a well oiled machine.

Last night, Liverpool began the game in a high intensity high pressing attacking manner, that was truly remiscent of last season's swashbuckling style. The team looked very sharp and slick, and a goal, or several, look just a matter of time. United's players looked shell shocked and were unable to cope with the energy and intensity of our players. I wouldn't want to be a United player or fan last night, Liverpool had such a frightening and commanding aura to them.

Without going in much details in the one-sided game that looked to be against relegation candidates, the game is the birth of Shaqiri and Fabinho (maybe also the new Wijnaldum). Fabinho in particular was immense and colossal, and was every where.

Just to record, this is the team that demolished this (good on paper) United team:


Alisson
Clyne
- Lovren - VVD - Robertson
Mane
(G1) - Wijnaldum - Fabinho (A1) (Henderson) - Keita (Shaqiri G2)
Firmino (A1)
Salah

Lukaku (A1)
Lingard (G1) (Mata)
Rashford - Matic - Herrera (Fellaini) - Dalot (Martial)
Young - Lindelof - Bailly - Darmian
De Gea


You'll never walk alone!
 

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Zinedine Biscan

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Nice piece in the Guardian:

This was beyond dire – dire squared, dire football played in dire fashion by a dire selection. Imagine a bad plan, enacted badly, by someone not very good at enacting bad plans. Imagine a negative approach, applied with extreme negativity by a group of players feeling negative about the actual merits of all this negativity. Why would anyone want to keep doing this? Is Mourinho enjoying it? Even United’s starting XI was a deathly thing with seven of the 10 starting outfield players either defenders or defensive midfielders

And from the start Liverpool tore into those deep blue-grey shirts. Eric Bailly’s first significant act was to come charging forward out of defence and perform a kind of rugby spear-tackle on Firmino. For a while United looked like a massively hung-over pub team startled to find itself facing a group of peak-condition professionals. What’s the point of picking a tough, battling, muscular team if they get out-battled, out-muscled and out-toughed?

The goal was coming. You could hear it approaching, bells jingling, footsteps crunching across the corrugated roof. It arrived after Bailly had done something extraordinary, barrelling out of defence again like lane three at the world 60 metres championships. This time he reached the Liverpool half before hurling himself on to his back. Liverpool foraged down the left and moments later Fabinho played a dreamy pass over the top for Sadio Mané to finish neatly. A José Mourinho team that can’t defend: what, exactly, is the point of this?


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/dec/16/football-dire-jose-mourinho-enjoying-it

lol
 

eng.amohd

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Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho on Sky Sports: "They are the strong team, but it's hard to concede two goals in the moment we conceded and the way the goals happened.
"Our difficult moment was the first 20 minutes. We couldn't cope with their fantastic intensity and pressing, but then we were quite calm and it was controlled.
"They became really frustrated when their centre-backs came forwards and fired shots into the stands - that was the period when it was more in control.
"There were two easy goals for Shaqiri and because of the deflections there was no chance.
"If you speak about fortunate you speak about their second and third goals."
Their goal was not closely related to fortunate though... :well done:
 

peter roberts

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Just checked into my hotel in London. I’m exhausted, sans voice, and yet so content. @Red_Jedi texted me a little while ago asking if the experience lived up to all the folklores about Anfield.

It did. Easily.

I sat in section 208 of the Kop surrounded by the most passionate fans I have met. I made it to my seat at about 320 pm and flags were making their way through the Kop. I had goosebumps seeing the same flags I always see on tv. The color and pomp of the spectacle is something to behold. And then the voice of the Kop rises in thunderous unison welcoming the team and convincing Manc fans they are full of ****. Suddenly, YNWA reverberates through the stadium. I was caught between closing my eyes and then opening them to not miss the scenes and then closing them and then opening them. I’ll never forget it. It’s seared in my heart now.

I thought we outclassed the Mancs from the beginning, which added to the spirit of The Fields of Anfield Road and Liverpool We Love You. I was particularly happy to hear the Kop sing The Fields of Anfield Road several times as I think it is our most unique song. I had two young Danes sitting next to me who were an absolute delight and knew every song as well. I will admit that I pride myself on knowing Poor Scouser Tommy, but shamefully, I couldn’t keep up with the pace of the Kop’s singing. I’ll work on it.

Between all the singing, there was complete confidence in the Kop. Or at least strong evidence that strength is unity, and I never felt we’d lose. That’s quite different from my normal terrifying lonely viewing from my couch! The Kop erupted after Mane’s goal. It’s briliiant watching the leaping and the hugging between friends, families, and strangers. While the Mancs’ fluky goal then came out of nowhere, the Kop only took a second to recover and roared in song right away. Right there, you know you are in a special place as a fan and player and there will always be this faith to lift you.

The second half was perfect. Of course, I personally enjoyed Bobby’s movement and touches today. Thought he was brilliant. The Kop sang repeatedly in appreciation of Robo, Bobby, and Shaqiri, with Xherdan rapidly ascending to cult hero status. I could not believe how quickly time flew in that second half. I could not see the scoreboard from where I sat, and I could have sworn there were 7 minutes remaining when time ran out.

I wish it hadn’t. I could have sat there forever and smiled and sang. My ears are still ringing. My eyes are still seeing the colors of Anfield dance. I loved my time at the stadium. I loved my time in the city. The people were so welcoming, with everyone willing to talk football and share stories and give advice. I’m so thankful to them. I’m also thankful to TIA for having created this community of Reds fans. @Maria and @Red_Jedi went out of their way to spend time with me and answer questions that I’m sure they found silly. @ILLOK, @Commando, @7th Earl and @theres always tommorrow: thank you for your advice as well. I’m sorry we couldn’t meet, but we will. There’s just no way I’m not returning. I’m hooked.

YNWA
Brilliant post that mate , absolutely buzzing for you. Like many others on here , I was thinking of you quite a lot during that game and how special it must have been for you. As an example of the sheer power this club exerts upon people I had explained to my (French) wife all about your little journey across the water to watch us play. She has close to zero interest in football and just doesn't 'get' the whole thing. (Her father does though , and I was amazed to hear him instruct her one day that Liverpool is not just any old team or any old City. He does 'get' it.) Anyway , this morning over breakfast she actually asked me who got the goals so it looks like headway is being made. I'm chuffed to bits that you were lucky enough to be there when we handed out one of our greatest ever footballing lessons to our arch-rivals. I'm guessing it's going to be something you will never forget. Well done you for being there , and don't forget to come back soon.
 

WooltonRed

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No big deal, we made hard work in beating a mid table team, who are competing with the likes of Everton, Wolves and Bournemouth! ( Tongue in cheek people! Tongue in cheek)
EAMON HOLMES, JAMES NESBITT, OLLY MURS!! YOU’RE TEAM TOOK ONE HELL OF A BEATING!!!!!
 

Jimmyscase

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Their goal was not closely related to fortunate though... :well done:
José would have had a case for saying something like the following:
' I told our forwards to ping quick crosses in to the box that dip just in front of Allison on the wet pitch because their defence has begun to rely on Allison a lot more to catch everything compared to last season, and they may be fractionally more sluggish when he does spill one than us. '

But his still very limited interest in expressing himself properly in English leads him to say their goal wasn't fortunate, which is the least persuasive argument he could have come up with

Allison will have to live with ending up with worse stats for fumbles leading to goals than our keepers last season. It's the negative effect of being trusted enough by your teammates that you're constantly more exposed when you do make a mistake. It's a completely misleading statistic.
 

Jimmyscase

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Sorry Xherdan...I was so wrong about you...doesn't happen very often ;-)
It's amazing to think back to the video of his first day at the club and IIRC he passes AOC on crutches in the corridor and they say hello properly as teammates for the first time and now it feels like the Ox passes him an imaginary baton to run the next leg with until they'll be having to compete for a place next season.
 

i_still_miss_fowler

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I was listening to the radio before the match and United were described as playing parasitic football. They were right, all United tried to do was suck the life out of the game, and hope for a mistake.

Its tempting to get a certain amount of Schadenfreude from watching their downfall. But it gone beyond that I almost pity them (almost). Most important thing was 3 points which takes us one step closer to having a chance of winning their league.
 

jredp

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so so so very very very extremely happy ecstatic about the win yesterday. all our lads played very well. Allison tried hard to hold onto a wet ball on z greasy pitch...........shit happens. no blame on Allison at all.
played football, ran for each other, quick touch football (sometimes too quick maybe), didn't let the manager and the supporters down and many many more positives to say, but still a wee bit intoxicated after that, and it's been a good few hours since the game finished. the last statement was my take on every player from the game. so difficult to decide on MOTM, but went for Fab, although feel very guilty of not giving it to the other players.
made my week and it's still only Monday!
 

jredp

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still unbeaten in the league, long, long may it continue ........hopefully forever .........and yes, I believe in Utopia, ( just not on this world)
 

Foldy

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Everybody played a blinder but Fabinho, Keita and Robertson were unbelievably good. Its fantastic to see Fabinho so prominent now in our midfield. Him and Keita bossed the midfield and gave brilliant service to our front three. Shaqiri is a bloody handful for defences and I'm sure when Utd's back four saw him come off the bench they all took a collective sigh. The lad could be the difference this season for us pushing for the league. We should be relishing these next three Xmas fixtures ad go in with great confidence. Well done reds!
 

Gone Kloppo

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So where do I begin from? As Klopp said, this was the best performance from Liverpool since the great Klopp came in. The others, ironically, were against the blue half of Manchester! This game is exactly, in my opinion, who Klopp envisages the team to play this season. All the poor, grindy 1-0 games that I criticized the team's performance in, the team was meant to play like last night.

During the past meetings against the "special one", Liverpool was almost always the better side. Always more positive, and has more dangerous chances than their rivals. However, Mourinho's tactics are the bane of Liverpool of early Klopp's era. Liverpool were always the "cute" team, looking to play only sweet football, counter-press for 90 mins and scoring perfect team goals. Mourinho knows how to stop this. This combined with a dinosaur-era stray long ball towards forwards, Lukaku and Fellaini, would usually consign Liverpool to a derby defeat.

Not this Liverpool though.

After years of disappointment and evolution in Klopp's managerial career, he finally seemed to stray, slightly, from his football ideals and become more mature with the team. No longer would the team adopt the cavalier approach and attack for the entirety of the game. No longer would conceding early dishearten the team. No longer do team that throw the kitchen sink at us guarantee a goal or a point. No longer that misfiring attack means lost points. It is time that goalkeeper and defense would bail out a misfiring attack. It is time to hold firm on a lead, as slight as it may be. It is time to attack, stand-off and counter as necessary. It is time for this team to be champions.

No wonder this change in style and maturity came after Klopp has completed the restructuring of his team. First seasons he improved the attack, and then the midfield. The weak point was always the rearguard, hence it may be logical to rely heavily on a shining new attack to hide defensive frailty. It was not until Klopp brought in VVD, Alisson, Robertson and rediscovered Gomez, that the team was finally fully structured and ready to grow to the next level of maturity. This is what is happening this season. No longer we feel that we are a "van Dijk / Alisson away from being genuine contenders". Squad depth may need attention, and I expect the next two windows, but the core is in place, all geared up and operating well in a well oiled machine.

Last night, Liverpool began the game in a high intensity high pressing attacking manner, that was truly remiscent of last season's swashbuckling style. The team looked very sharp and slick, and a goal, or several, look just a matter of time. United's players looked shell shocked and were unable to cope with the energy and intensity of our players. I wouldn't want to be a United player or fan last night, Liverpool had such a frightening and commanding aura to them.

Without going in much details in the one-sided game that looked to be against relegation candidates, the game is the birth of Shaqiri and Fabinho (maybe also the new Wijnaldum). Fabinho in particular was immense and colossal, and was every where.

Just to record, this is the team that demolished this (good on paper) United team:


Alisson
Clyne
- Lovren - VVD - Robertson
Mane
(G1) - Wijnaldum - Fabinho (A1) (Henderson) - Keita (Shaqiri G2)
Firmino
Salah


Lukaku (A1)
Lingard (G1) (Mata)
Rashford - Matic - Herrera (Fellaini) - Dalot (Martial)
Young - Lindelof - Bailly - Darmian
De Gea


You'll never walk alone!
Nice. But you forgot to add Bobby's assist of the last. :well done:
 

SBYM

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Another great win for us yesterday and yet for the UK media its still all about United! :rolleyes: lol
I personally couldn't care less about this.

It's pretty clear now that this particular implosion is going to be Maureen's magnum opus and entertaining as feck.

Let's just fly under the Manchester radar (red and blue) for as long as possible.
 
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geebo

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where to begin?
firstly, a great team performance. Cant remember us having so many chances. It was like playing Bolton at home !

Manu were bad. Can ever remember a manu team coming to Anfield with so little fight or grit. Form usually goes out of the window- but here form was the decisive factor ! we just played them off the ! Park.

Its been a long time since we had such a good team, and a long time since we put Manu to the sword AND were so many points above them before Xmas.

Fabinho has been fantastic the past few games. And Hendo is now 2nd best. Keita is as good as I remember. Shaqiri is phenomenal. All over the place in his first 5 mins on the pitch ! a dervish ! and BANG !! two goals !! Firmino was back to his impervious best, Mane has one of his good days ! Van the man was van the man !

Beating Everton and Manu in such a short time is the perfect Xmas present for me !

The meal with Ms G after the game was uncommonly good ! and Im still in a great mood today !!! Good times to be a red fan again !
 



kwala

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I can sum that game up in 1 word......


Levels.


We are on a different level to them. Best thing about it is we are still progressing, on an upwards trajectory, whilst they are on the exact opposite path.


The United job is a poison chalice now. It will be a brave man that takes it on.
 

ShadesOfRed

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This has to be the best Liverpool squad in 20+ years. TAA, Gomez, and Matip injured would be an injury crisis normally. Not to mention you've got the likes of Milner, Sturridge, and Shaq on the bench. This team has nothing to fear. Hope we get Madrid in the draw.